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Old 10-05-2000, 06:54 PM   #51
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH COME BACK NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 10-05-2000, 07:18 PM   #52
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Damn Jon,
You are a worse tease than any woman I have ever been out with. For your own safety fill us in man before members of the board start hunting you down.
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Old 10-05-2000, 07:22 PM   #53
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As of 00:00 EST open season will commence. Release the hounds!



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Old 10-05-2000, 07:45 PM   #54
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He must be having so much fun with the new cam he forgotten about us.
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Old 10-05-2000, 08:30 PM   #55
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mabey he died from the shock of horsepower created by the cams? right now he may be lying dead in his car somewhere out in the boondocks of PA.

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edit: grammar error.



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Old 10-05-2000, 08:38 PM   #56
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Instead of "Cobb Cams installed today",this thread should have said "I am gonna get some cams put in very soon,and will lead you all on for two days or so" LOL All in goos fun though....
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Old 10-05-2000, 11:03 PM   #57
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i know right
by htis time he better have some 0 to 60 and quarter mile times
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Old 10-06-2000, 12:02 AM   #58
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Hey we are on the same side buddy.. no sweat.
We are hear to serve!

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subaflu is acting up..

must have cams report... need info.. must

go

on..


cant

wait........ a n y .... l o n g e r...

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Old 10-06-2000, 12:28 AM   #59
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He must be loving it since we haven't heard from him yet. This is too much anticipation!
He should of waited until he got the car so we all wouldn't be teased and frantactly checking this post through the day.... praying... hoping... waiting for feedback on these CAMS!


ARGGHHHH!!!!!

[b]What are you doing to us *rips hair from head*

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Old 10-06-2000, 12:36 AM   #60
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I'm waiting too! I just scheduled an appointment w/ Trey for this month. Speaking of Trey, has anyone noticed the last three digits of his phone # 555 I should get a prize for this.

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Old 10-06-2000, 01:27 AM   #61
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The RalliSpec cams are still undergoing testing in my RS. They've been in there for about a month or so. Unfortunately we have not yet had a spare catback system to throw on my car (for more then a day or two) and it seems that without a free flowing exhaust the cams are not very effective. With an exhaust there is definitely some gains...probably on par with Trey's but we'd like to dyno test to know exactly (been driving around w/ car setup FWD for the last 3 months in anticipation!!!). We do have another set of cams for the MY99-01 that we are making available immediately if anyone is interested (price $600 for the set..no core). Basically we have decided that we'd like to be able something even more aggressive and without the necessity to deal with a core (cams ground from billet instead of a stock cam) so we are looking into alternative options. We've had discussions with Trey and are willing to install his cams in the mean time...it seems silly to duplicate efforts with regards to a mild cam upgrade. Anyway, the whole cam situation is still very much up in the air.
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Old 10-06-2000, 08:48 AM   #62
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Trey dyno his car with cams, and stock exhaust, and make the 14-19hp gain?

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Old 10-06-2000, 10:34 AM   #63
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well folks...I think this can be classified as cruel and unusual punishment.

But I am sure there is a good reason for this delay.

We can only hope everything went okay.

I know I am still glued to this websight for any report bad or good.

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Old 10-06-2000, 03:36 PM   #64
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Jon Bogert???? Where are you???? Please tell us what happen to the cam!!!

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Old 10-06-2000, 05:36 PM   #65
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OK, I'm back. Lots of excuses, we just moved offices, I couldn't get a ride to Bert's, etc.

Anyway, I finally picked it up this morning, stared at it in the parking lot all day, and now, at 8:15PM, I just got back from a back-road rev-fest.

First, the answer to the big question: Yes, the cams perform as expected and as advertised. They completely eliminate the 4000 RPM flat spot. They pull progressively to redline. The car certainly feels quicker (more on that later). They are IMO worth the $900 including installation.

What they DON'T do is turn the Impreza into a rocketship. These are nice mild cams. There is no downside--they idle perfectly, and pull just as well as stock from idle. If some of you are expecting a 2.5 liter V-TEC, this isn't it. The power doesn't "come on" like a turbo or V-TEC, it just continues to build on the excellent 2500-4000 RPM surge until redline.

Rally car builder Bert Arano at Union 7 Motorsports did the installation. He griped about it a lot, but he's never done cams on a Subaru before. He said he fabricated a couple of tools which will make it go much faster next time. He's going to bill me for 10 hours labor.

He did a series of timed in-gear runs before the installation. I'm going back to the same road tomorrow to duplicate them.

Again, I'm sorry for the pre-announcement.

Answers to specific questions:

t.rod - 2000.

MrSube2pt5 - 399 + about 500 labor

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Old 10-06-2000, 06:21 PM   #66
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Finally! hehe.
 
Old 10-06-2000, 07:40 PM   #67
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What about other modifications, Jon? Do you have anything in terms of intake and/or exhaust?
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Old 10-07-2000, 08:53 AM   #68
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bump!
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Old 10-07-2000, 04:25 PM   #69
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you guys are so wacky! heheh but in a good way
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Old 10-07-2000, 04:38 PM   #70
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Old 10-07-2000, 06:30 PM   #71
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stimpy, I have a K&N panel filter. Stock exhaust and everything else (on the motor, anyway).

OK, here's half the accelleration data, AFTER installing the Cobb cams:

4th gear, same stretch of more or less level road, 250lb driver, 1/2 tank of gas.

3000-4000 RPM: 4.1 sec avg (6 runs)
4000-5000 RPM: 4.8 sec avg (5 runs)
5000-6000 RPM: couldn't get enough runs.

I'll post the BEFORE data tomorrow.

Not having seen the before data yet, I have no idea if the above times are faster or by how much. We'll see...

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Old 10-07-2000, 09:54 PM   #72
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unbelievable

did you plan it this way
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Old 10-08-2000, 08:05 AM   #73
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Larry, no, if I'd been able to PLAN it, we'd have a 4 wheel dyno in the shop and a dragstrip out back. Unfortunately, the rest of my life refused to stay in the background when the car was done. And, I had to spend an hour and a half waiting out traffic on the test road to get the few runs I did.

I am afraid that the milling crowds are unimpressed with my description of the very real, but limited, performance increase these cams provide. I hate it when people post ridiculous raves about some new intake or muffler ("my butt dyno sez: It rocks!"), so they can feel better about that last $500 on the Visa. I'm trying to stay objective in my subjectivity.
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Old 10-08-2000, 08:43 AM   #74
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Good point Jon, however you do feel a difference right? See when I was younger about 14-15 (I'm 27 now) I use to race Radio Control cars. Modding them was quite fun. Of course I had to mow lawns for my Grasshopper Tamiya RC car but I did it and I had it modded w/ ball bearings(it only came w/ bushings). So after I bought four ball bearings to put in the front tires I took the car for a spin. What a difference those four little mettal things did. All I could keep thinking about when I put it up for the night was how amazing it would be to be able to feel those mods. To have a car that I enjoy driving and mod it to make it better.
Well now thanx to the internet and this board I finally found a car that I enjoy driving and happens to be w/i my price range. I've owned an 82 Cuttlas, 85 Ford Tempo, 89 Nissan Sentra, and an '89 Subaru XT6. None of these cars compare to the RS. Since I've had the RS I'm made some mods to her. Some weren't as much of a change as others, but made a change for the better nonetheless. GG Short shifter ended up being my first mod, then the UD pulley(which made a huge difference in my book), Cusco Shift bushings(stiffend up the Shift, but I still think it needs to be shorter. Umm, what else, 18mm sway bar w/ end links, and the ALK, which in combination I feel mkes the car feel like it wants to turn w/ input of the steering wheel. And the Last mod I did was a Weapon R intake, w/ K&N filter. This mod seems to have allowed the gas peddle to feel more responsive, and the growl under WOT is simply sweet. The other thing I've notice about the intake is it seems to have taken the low end 15Hp that Shiv tested and converted it to more top end HP.
Now I'm not saying all my mods are justified and that they were worth it, but I'm 27 yrs old now and I'm not getting any younger. I've done my time in college and busted my A$$ for my engineering degree but I guess I'm still a little kid underneeth it all. What can I say I'm still a Toys R Us Kid w/ bigger toys.

Sorry for the long post, I guess Jon just hit a note that I had to explain.

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Old 10-08-2000, 02:15 PM   #75
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I want to thank Jon for his objective opinion. He said that hey definitely give a noticeable increase. But dont count on your car being a full second quicker than before. You can count on a much stronger package overall, and a car with a flatter torque curve. I am willing to bet if somebody (like me for instance) gets these cams installed with the pulley, filter, CAI, and complete exhaust, it will really open things up. Just like on a muscle car, you have to upgrade the whole system to really reaize the potential of the entire system. I am impressed that the cams are as noticeable as they are on a mostly stock car. Jon gave us a great baseline. The next fellow (like myself) that gets these cams, with a modded RS will notice more I believe.

I am looking forward for a continued review of the next intallation result..

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