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Old 01-11-2001, 08:13 AM   #1
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Question Audi S4 vs WRX

I've been daydreaming alot about coming into some money, and just recently I heard some good news about maybe actually getting some more in my job. So now, even though it may be months or a year away, I am thinking of what I could do with the money...

The WRX, I'm glad they are bringing it over, finally, but it's their first try, they have to improve it...so, that's a no. My RS, I still have 3 1/2 years to pay it off, so possibly a whole engine makeover, whatever that entails...or, an Audi S4. Cheaper than an M3, and awd with like 300hp, twin turbo. I'm sure that can keep pace with the wrx or even smoke it, but could I do that to my subaru heritage?
Any opinions? The WRX is nice, but I'm not the type to just go out and buy something the first day it comes out.
any experiences with the s4?

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I know the wrx thing has been put to death a million times, so this is more of an S4 topic

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Old 01-11-2001, 08:20 AM   #2
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I have yet to drive a WRX, so I can't say for sure. However, I have driven an S4 and it was nothing short of impressive. Power delivery is smooth and linear. At times, it is hard to tell you are driving a turbo. Keep in mind that it will never be classified as nimble, but it does handle quite well.

In the end, it is much more refined and, in my opinion, overpriced. That being said, if price was not an issue, I would be driving a yellow one.
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Old 01-11-2001, 08:37 AM   #3
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I don't mean to be nasty, but I don't think a WRX should be compared to an S4. The Legacy B4 is closer to the S4 as far as intended purpose (or market) is concerned..
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Old 01-11-2001, 09:00 AM   #4
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I too am an S4 enthusiast however, I have to first pay off the RS and then wait until my salary can afford such a luxury. No doubt the S4 is more along the lines of the 22b and if I ever owned one I would never foresake a WRX if encountered on the road. I have driven just about all the versions of the A4 (standard, auto, turbo, quattro etc...) and the S4 is truly amazing, like an RS could never be and Im sure in a different class than the WRX. Some day I would like to graduate to the s8!!
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Old 01-11-2001, 09:04 AM   #5
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Just to add..the WRX has been around in other markets for years now, so it's hardly their first try. They just decided that the US market now was big enough to sustain a development of the WRX in Left hand drive. just my 2 cents worth.
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Old 01-11-2001, 09:25 AM   #6
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A stock S4 doesn't make 300hp, its 250 @ 5800rpms w/258lb of torque. It's 0-60 is 5.9. This is according to their website. It weighs in at a hefty 3593lbs. Beautiful car though. IMHO dollar for dollar the WRX is better.
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Old 01-11-2001, 09:26 AM   #7
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Edmunds.com review:
"Even if it's more (Est $26-28K), it'll still be a tough package to resist when you're getting Audi S4-like performance for what will amount to at least a $10,000 discount."

The S4 has problems-- get the WRX.
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Old 01-11-2001, 09:39 AM   #8
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I'm an Audi enthusiast with a modified 99 1.8tqms Avant and a modified 01 225 TT Roadster. I convinced my little brother to buy an '01 S4 Sport (differential geared for acceleration vice top speed, alcantara interior, alu mirrors) and intended to trade my 99 for a '01 S4 Avant. He traded up from a heavily modified BMW and decided on it instead of E36 M3/4. After driving S4's extensively on road and track I decided to cancel my order and put my name on the list for a WRX. I will likely get the next model's S4 Avant (B6) though - as by all accounts the new A4 is a revelation. May have something to do with stealing Jos Van As from BMW and putting him in charge of Vehicle dynamics at Audi a couple years ago...
I'm convinced a modified WRX will be exactly what I'm looking for in terms of power and more importantly "feel".
No matter, now I only have to choose between 4 door and 5 door...

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Old 01-11-2001, 09:51 AM   #9
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Jeff, you bum!

I just traded in my pristine black 2000 S4. Where were you when I was trying to sell it privately?!?

Seriously, the S4 is a lot of things the WRX will never be. Like unbelievably quiet, luxurious and fast without effort. IMO, there is no comparison. If you are a back-road burner, get the WRX. When you're ready to step up to German sophistication, respectibility and, oh yeah, SPEED, get the S4.

And if you think the best car is the one that gets to the end of the 1/4 mile fastest, get a Mustang.
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Old 01-11-2001, 09:54 AM   #10
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Actually Jon, if you think the best car is the one that gets to the end of the 1/4 mile fastest then you should get the S4

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Old 01-11-2001, 09:59 AM   #11
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I'd always thought the WRX was quicker than an S4. Or are you guys talking about the new WRX? What're the S4's 0-60 and 1/4 mile times? I'm sure the ole WRX is faster but I'm not even sure what the numbers are for the new WRX.

Hmmmm....twisty road: S4 luxurious body roll or the old WRX's jarring yet better road handling? That's apples and oranges, it all depends on your preference.
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Old 01-11-2001, 10:03 AM   #12
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Robert, you know what I meant!

There are lots of idiots out there who compare cars by comparing numbers. The S4 and the Impreza are two cars that completely defy performance numbers. If you just look at the test stats, you barely scratch the surface of either car's qualities.

Edit: Oops, sorry Snoopy--nothing personal! I posted before reading your reply.

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Old 01-11-2001, 10:05 AM   #13
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I know Jon

I posted the S4 numbers a week or so ago and there was quite a discussion so ou can do a search.

The S4 stock will do the 1/4 in 14.1, chipped cars are typically in the 13.5-13.6 range. That's for the 6 speed, the tiptronics are at least .5 second slower.

Last time I checked, SCC 1/4 mile and acceleration experts got 14.7 for the US spec WRX, the European magazines got 14.5 for the european spec cars.

I'm no math wizard, but I think that makes the S4 faster than the WRX.

BTW, this does not mean that this is a big deal, the WRX is not great or that I won't buy one


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Old 01-11-2001, 10:07 AM   #14
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I too am an Audi enthusiast and am VERY active over on Audiworld(our version of this site.) My A4 was recently stolen and totalled, so I am in the process of weighing my options.

The main reason I'm interested in the WRX is it's weight and the ease/cost to modify it. Having spent nearly $5000 in the last year to equipe my A4, I'm feeling like it was all for naught because I won't be seeing a penny of that from my insurance company. So the cost of modifications is important to me. And it seems like there are numerous tuners out there that have stuff for the WRX.

The second reason I'm interested in the Subaru is for it's relatively light weight. I go to track events, and the one downfall of the A4/S4 is it's power to weight ratio. It is a very heavy car, and this means slower acceleration, longer braking distances, hotter brakes, shorter tire life, and bad gas mileage. At nearly 3400lbs with 150 stock HP, the A4 is a pig. I got mine up to around 215 with no turbo mods, and it was pretty quick, but the weight kills it at the track.

This may very well be the first Jap car that I'll own. But I'm going to wait to see/hear first impressions on the new WRX. Quality issues are also a concern of mine. The A4 interior was/is the best around for it's class. There is no arguement there. I have not been too impressed with the materials or dash layouts that Subarus have used in the past.

BTW, the S4 can easily be chipped to 307hp, 366ft/lbs giving it a 5.5 second 0-60mph. And these things fly. Additonally, I'd like to compare the Audi all wheel drive system to that used in the subaru. I'm not sure of the differences to the Haldex system I've been using. I am aware that Suby's in Japan can be bought with an adjustable differential...yum.

Glad to be here folks...you may be hearing alot more from me.

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Old 01-11-2001, 10:18 AM   #15
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Cy, your A4 does not use the Haldex system but instead uses a Torsen based system. The TT and S3 use the Haldex system.

Also, the WRX isn't exactly a featherweight at 3050lb for the sedan, but it isn't too bad.

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Old 01-11-2001, 10:31 AM   #16
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The S4 is a German precision-engineered automobile. My buddy's got an '00 S4. It is a very nice car. Very comparable to the M3, and actually faster than the E36 M3. No Japanese car, especially a 24,000 Subaru will ever compare to Germany's top autos. That's a fact. But I think the WRX shines in a different way. It is a heck of an auto for the price(at least it sounds like one) I'll have to drive it. But I've driven Diablos, RUF Porsches, '99 Lotus Esprits, Ferrarris, '00 M5's, '99 Viper GTS ACR's, you name it-so it takes a lot to impress me
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Old 01-11-2001, 10:33 AM   #17
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For me, the engine is the heart of a car. I think the A/S4 is a great platform, except V-6s suck for me. I jsut hate their exhaust note, balance qualities (or lack therof..) etc. If the S4 came with an inline 6, a la BMW 3 series, I would consider it. But who wants to drive around listening to V6 noises (like a Pontiac/Oldsmobile/Chevrolet) The world's automakers are turning to V-6s for packaging reasons, not because of any great qualities of that layout.
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Old 01-11-2001, 10:37 AM   #19
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WRXBob,

Sorry, my bad. I always get them mixed up: Torsen, Haldex, Quaife. I've got a few buddies with TTs and they hate the fact that their diff is only active during slip. The A4 is always turning 4 wheels. This is due to how the engine is mounted: longitudinally. In the A3, TT, and VWs, it is horizontal so a different all wheel drive system is used.

And I do consider 3000lbs light compared to what I'm coming from. Obviously not compared to a Civic, but it should be much more tossable at a racetrack.

Thanks for the clarification.
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Old 01-11-2001, 10:52 AM   #20
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I'd consider the S4 faster, but not necessarily quicker. It's not going to allow you to throw it back and forth in the twisters with as much ease as the WRX. To me, the WRX is a drivers car, and the S4 is a luxury performance car. Two different classes that shouldn't really be compared, since they each fight for a different segment of the market. But... you started it

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Old 01-11-2001, 11:14 AM   #21
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I love my S4 but it's not something that can be easily tossed around twisties like a lighter WRX. So much so that I am installing coilovers to control pitch and roll. That said, the S4 is a definite wolf in sheep's clothing, especially when chipped. The average Joe just doesn't expect a nondescript spoilerless 4dr sedan to toast them so badly
Power delivery is deceptively smooth and pulls like a locomotive to redline with minimal lag due to small turbos.
Personally, if I had the means, I would get a WRX as well for when I get the urge to go blasting down logging trails.

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Old 01-11-2001, 11:45 AM   #22
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Apples and Oranges IMO.

2 very different cars with different feeling, prices and purpose.
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Old 01-11-2001, 11:52 AM   #23
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Sporin..I agree..that's what I said in the 3rd post in this topic...ho hum..
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Old 01-11-2001, 11:55 AM   #24
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i disagree with everyone who said the new WRX is slower than the S4. u have no proof or position to say this.

SCC usually gets slow 0 to 60 times. and u need more than one test and reveiw to compare, not to mention that adui claimed a 5.9 witch isnt to far off from 6.1. autocar got 5.9 for new WRX. grassroots got an average of 5.7 for the WRX and a on a hard launch 5.5 seconds. THAT IS TOTALLY S4 territory.

not to mention the new WRX has abetter power to weight ratio than the S4
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Sporin, exactly.
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