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Old 11-24-2003, 04:07 PM   #1
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Hi everyone,
I understand that most piggy back and reflash users in Vancouver use pre-mapped systems created by tuners either from eastern Canada or the States. My main concern/complaint has been that such tuning is never 100% catered for your car as combination of similar yet different parts output different results. I am currently using EcuTek in my car and I feel that because of the local tuner's lack of experience and knowledge in engine tuning, I am not seeing the full potential of this powerful software. I strongly believe that a our engines with custom parts need to be tuned based on the data result generated by logging systems such as DeltaDash Data log or UTEC's logging software. I'm sure some of you will say that what I'm saying is obvious and that you agree with my argument. I talked to an experienced engine tuner from i-speedusa.com, located in San Jose, California. Bill, the head tuner for i-speedusa.com, has offered to fly up to Vancouver to professionally tune the cars of anyone who is interested via Data log and proper road dyno. The systems that he is offering to tune are: EcuTek, UTEC, Link, AEM, S-AFC & other A/F control units. The cost is $90/car/hr. He did mention, however, that if there are enough gathering of people that would chip in to cover for his flight and accommodation costs, the tuning session would be FREE. Anyone who would be interested, please let me know by posting in this thread.
Thanks guys.
I hope you guys will take this oppertunity.

Ps. If you know of anyone who can tune professionally locally, then by all means tell me, please!! I went this route only because I could not find anyone...
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Old 11-24-2003, 04:15 PM   #2
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Hi everyone,
I understand that most piggy back and reflash users in Vancouver use pre-mapped systems created by tuners either from eastern Canada or the States. My main concern/complaint has been that such tuning is never 100% catered for your car as combination of similar yet different parts output different results. I am currently using EcuTek in my car and I feel that because of the local tuner's lack of experience and knowledge in engine tuning, I am not seeing the full potential of this powerful software. I strongly believe that a our engines with custom parts need to be tuned based on the data result generated by logging systems such as DeltaDash Data log or UTEC's logging software. I'm sure some of you will say that what I'm saying is obvious and that you agree with my argument. I talked to an experienced engine tuner from i-speedusa.com, located in San Jose, California. Bill, the head tuner for i-speedusa.com, has offered to fly up to Vancouver to professionally tune the cars of anyone who is interested via Data log and proper road dyno. The systems that he is offering to tune are: EcuTek, UTEC, Link, AEM, S-AFC & other A/F control units. The cost is $90/car/hr. He did mention, however, that if there are enough gathering of people that would chip in to cover for his flight and accommodation costs, the tuning session would be FREE. Anyone who would be interested, please let me know by posting in this thread.
Thanks guys.
I hope you guys will take this oppertunity.

Ps. If you know of anyone who can tune professionally locally, then by all means tell me, please!! I went this route only because I could not find anyone...
Damn you.. you should have asked me a little earlier.
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Old 11-24-2003, 05:34 PM   #3
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how do we do this? i thought there was still no awd dyno here?

there is someone at total who might have tuning background, but no equipment to do it? i'm hoping tora will be reading this.

i had to send my ecu to clark tuner in AZ (azscoobie) for my ecutek reflash because i had no faith in ne1 here either... but it's on a heavily remapped vf30 program because there is nothing available for the vf39 on a wrx at the moment

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Old 11-24-2003, 05:41 PM   #4
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Yup, we have someone who can definitely tune but as stated there is no AWD dyno as of yet. Road dyno, butt dyno is the only way to tune for now. Also we don't have the computer hardware to do it at the moment. I don't know if I would pay for a guy to come all the way up here to do it if there is no dyno to tune it on.
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Old 11-24-2003, 05:44 PM   #5
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also wondering what the estimated costs would be for flight and lodging, and what would the dyno rental fees be?
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Old 11-24-2003, 06:16 PM   #6
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How will this guy change the program if you have ACUtek? I was under the impression that only the shop that did the tuning on the car can adjust it, as they have the program for your car.
No?
With others, if you are running a piggyback system we can just plug and tune for it...no problem.
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Old 11-24-2003, 06:22 PM   #7
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i'm not 100% on this, but with a deltadash u can read whatever ecutek map is on your ecu.

i'm also not certain on how ecutek reflash licensing works... it might be encoded in the reflash and might prohibit another ecutek tuner from touching it?
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Old 11-24-2003, 06:42 PM   #8
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Exactly, unless your ecutek licence holder (shop) is willing to share the info with another shop they can not read what MAPs you have.
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Old 11-24-2003, 06:55 PM   #9
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Hi everyone,
I will ask the tuner about this encoding and prohibiting issue.
I will get back to you guys as soon as he answers but my feeling is that he wouldn't offer this oppertunity if this is an issue. As for tuning, he would rely on figures from the log, WB02 if you have a bung, but no dyno.
Tell me what you guys think.
Jason

Ps. Do you guys have anyone local in mind? Still wouldn't work for some of us if he had no EcuTek software....
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Old 11-24-2003, 07:13 PM   #10
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the only local ecutek retailer is rev performance in richmond. they use a deltadash to road-tune, but i'm uncertain as to how receptive they would be to this... their rates are quite high
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Old 11-24-2003, 07:33 PM   #11
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Toronto owners are lucky to have 2 local AWD dyno tuners here:

http://www.adpmotorsport.com/ (site is down)
http://webhome.idirect.com/~neethlin/default.html

I don't drive any turbo car but from what I hear, they are very good.
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Old 11-24-2003, 08:22 PM   #12
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Have you talked to Lowell Foo @ L&R Racing? He's more of a DSM guy but his work is pretty crazy.
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Old 11-24-2003, 09:51 PM   #13
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Hi,
Thanks for the info.
Do they have a website?
I am looking for someone who not only knows air and fuel tuning but timing and timing advance tuing inside and out as our WRX's have a sophisticated timing technology. Good timing and lower boost can output more power and consume fuel more efficiently than poor timing and high boost which also results in poor gas mileage.
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Old 11-24-2003, 11:03 PM   #14
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Hi,

This is Bill from I-Speed USA. There was an unclear communication between Jason and I am I misscommunicated the pricing. I was planning on charging for my services but I am looking to get enough to have it be worth my time to fly up there. I don't want to fly up there for one tune and then fly back as it really doesn't make much sense for me. I got to pay the bills. I hate paying bills...

I have found that a dyno is a great thing for getting the last bit of power but if you want a reliable, stable, smooth and fun daily driver, road tuning is the way to first tune your car. This takes into all the variables that you will not encounter on a dyno. Just my thoughts from years of tuning Subaru's.

I am sure Jason will be also posting up hear as I have responded to him also.

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Old 11-24-2003, 11:23 PM   #15
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Go talk to Lowell www.lr-racing.com. From what I understand, he's pretty damn busy though. The problem still is the 4wd dyno issue. Hopefully that will be resolved soon.

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Old 11-24-2003, 11:27 PM   #16
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Hi Everyone,
I'm glad that Bill dropped in and posted to clear things up. As for encoding and map accessing issue between different tuners, it is not a problem. Our ECUs can still be reflashed but the maps that i-speed made will not be accessible to anyone but themselves(Data logging still remains accessible). I am fine with that because I know the i-speed's reflash will be much better than my current one as it will be a "true" tune via road dyno. So what do you guys think? Anyone want this session to happen?
Please reply.
Jason

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Old 11-24-2003, 11:32 PM   #17
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so this means if i reflash this second time no one else can read it in the future? i understand why (so no one can copy each other) but i feel a little trapped

what i was hoping for was for someone to clean up the reflash i have now since i used to be a vf30 and now i'm a vf39... but i still want to leave things open so should i have to change it again i won't be painted into a corner

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Old 11-24-2003, 11:40 PM   #18
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Correct, only accessible to i-speed. No one else can read it nor copy it. If you decide to take it to REV for instance, they will not be able to see the map. I uderstand that such system was developed by EcuTek so that all the hard work and research of one competent tuner cannot be copied and exploited by some "n00b" shop.

Hey Ben, are you still down?
I don't know if this deal can go thru with just the two of us tho... haha. Damn... I want this to happen but maybe it's too far fetched...

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so this means if i reflash this second time no one else can read it in the future?
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Old 11-24-2003, 11:42 PM   #19
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oops i rewrote my original post...
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Old 11-25-2003, 12:58 AM   #20
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sorry for my stupid reply. But, is it possible if you can drive your subaru to califonia and get your car tuned?
Cause I was gonna go to California to pick up some cars and drive back later next year, I was thinking if my subaru can make it to california without breaking apart in the middle of the trip. Or, deliver your car by train? Just some alternatives that popped up in mind. It would cost a few hundreds, but you got what you wanted, right? Is it like 30 hour drive to california? I just don't know anything....
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Old 11-25-2003, 01:46 AM   #21
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Hi Ben,
I respect your point. However, by whom will you have your ECU changed in the future? We both know that a reflash won't be necessary until your next big mod(i.e. huge injectors, different turbo or even a 2.2L?!). By then you will need a completely revamped map and I'd imagine you will have an experienced tuner yet again do the job. Such reflash session won't be mere "changes" to your map. Wouldn't you agree? The tuner must retune your engine according to the data log results from a new road dyno. I don't know, maybe by that time even an AWD dyno will be one of our options.

I'm not too worried about other tuners not being able to access my map because I know that my next reflash will be something that'll follow my next huge mod or, of course, Aircare. Still, this session that I'm trying to make happen only hangs by a thread as only the two of us seem interested...
What is your opinion?

bwco: Hi, how are ya...
I can drive down to Cali, you're absolutely right. As a matter of fact, I probably won't even need to drive that far down; I believe there are tuners in the Washington area as well. If what I'm trying to setup here falls thru then I will end up driving down there... I would first have to find an awesome tuner. I will likey try to gather another group of people who would be interested in driving down together. I think it would be fun, don't you? haha ^^. I'll keep you all(whoever is following this thread) updated.
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so this means if i reflash this second time no one else can read it in the future? i understand why (so no one can copy each other) but i feel a little trapped

what i was hoping for was for someone to clean up the reflash i have now since i used to be a vf30 and now i'm a vf39... but i still want to leave things open so should i have to change it again i won't be painted into a corner

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Old 11-25-2003, 09:56 AM   #22
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i'm really confused now... i was hoping someone local could use a deltadash and clean up/fine tune the existing maps on my reflash. it's done for a vf30 and now i have a vf39 which no one has but i'm being told by the others it's not that far off... i guess i'm out then

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Old 11-26-2003, 12:20 AM   #23
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actually i'm surprised that topgrinder and orbiter haven't responded
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