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Old 11-27-2003, 01:29 AM   #1
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Default Would you guys like to have these 04' JDM Stuff?

Hi all

Just testing waters to see if there is a market for these products.

I plan to import, directly from Japan, original Subaru 04' Impreza fog lamp assy + JDM bumper beam.



Also I am sourcing from Japan the STi HID kit



I understand that these products are available form US but personally as a customer, I really pissed off at being at the mercy of their pricing and having to wait 2-3 weeks for the product which I have to pre-pay upon shipping.

I have also done research I am aware of the competitive prices thus I am trying to guage the amount of intrest and thus will be in a better position to bargain with the supplier in Japan.

I will be able to handle installation for these products at my garage (from mid Dec 03') or I can send it over to Total.... I am sure Cody/Ken/Jamie would be able to help out.

Thank you for your time.

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Old 11-27-2003, 01:41 AM   #2
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how much for JDM head lights
and would the JDM bumper beam fit my front mount intercooler without removeal or modification?
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Old 11-27-2003, 01:45 AM   #3
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Just a FYI - the lightweight JDM bumper will basically offer you ZERO crash protection. Even low-speed bumps will collaps that bumper.

Well, ya gotta pay if you want to play.

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Old 11-27-2003, 11:35 PM   #4
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how much for JDM head lights
and would the JDM bumper beam fit my front mount intercooler without removeal or modification?
Well, right now the best prices I can find is US$1300, some time ago, gruppe-s was having a promotion and selling for 799USD but they claim it is a one time offer only. At that price they included shipping into Canada and still managed to make a profit.

All others are ripping me off left, right, center from 1549USD to 3000CAD. So if I cannot negotiate with the supplier for less than 1150USD shipped into Vancouver, I will not bother importing them.... simple as that.

For the bumper beam, it is hard to say, I assume you are running your FMIC with no bumper beam right now? The only sure way find out is when I actually bring the product into vancouver and we try to see if it fits......

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Old 11-27-2003, 11:43 PM   #5
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Just a FYI - the lightweight JDM bumper will basically offer you ZERO crash protection. Even low-speed bumps will collaps that bumper.

Well, ya gotta pay if you want to play.

LaterZ!
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Erm... not really, from what I know, it is only in the good ol' north america that all these "damage not more than 2Gs if hit at 5/8 km/h" are in affect, the rest of the world uses these smaller re-bars.

I am sure all the other govt. in Asia, Europe, Aust, must have crashed tested the car fitted with smaller re-bars and deemed it street worthy. So I think the only difference is if you crashed your car at low speeds, thus it provides LESS crash protection and not zero crash protection.

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Old 11-28-2003, 10:18 AM   #6
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Erm... not really, from what I know, it is only in the good ol' north america that all these "damage not more than 2Gs if hit at 5/8 km/h" are in affect, the rest of the world uses these smaller re-bars.

I am sure all the other govt. in Asia, Europe, Aust, must have crashed tested the car fitted with smaller re-bars and deemed it street worthy. So I think the only difference is if you crashed your car at low speeds, thus it provides LESS crash protection and not zero crash protection.

Cheers...

Crash at any speed, and the lightweight bumper will snap like a twig! It's lightweight to reduce weight, not for crash protection.

Well, whatever you decide, just be aware that if you get into a front-end accident with a lightweight bumper, and the ICBC adjuster finds out that you have "modified" your front bumper, you may not be elegiable for any compensation since you have modified a major safety component of your vehicle.

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Old 11-28-2003, 01:23 PM   #7
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as far as i know boomplustoys regularly brings this stuff in.

i think our bumper beams are good only up to 5mph? basically a solid parking lot bump. if it takes that much steel for such a low speed, imagine how useless the jdm one will be... it dosen't take much to get into a low-speed front end collision and mess up the timing belt... bye-bye motor

$2900-3000cdn seems to be the standardgoing rate for jdm hid's. anything cheaper would be used... i used to see them go for around 100k jpy on the yahoo.jp auction site.
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Old 11-28-2003, 03:51 PM   #8
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Old 11-28-2003, 06:53 PM   #9
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Crash at any speed, and the lightweight bumper will snap like a twig! It's lightweight to reduce weight, not for crash protection.

Well, whatever you decide, just be aware that if you get into a front-end accident with a lightweight bumper, and the ICBC adjuster finds out that you have "modified" your front bumper, you may not be elegiable for any compensation since you have modified a major safety component of your vehicle.

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Well actually I just was looking around for these products for myself and realised the trouble to do so , thus I called my contacts in Japan to see if I can work something out, but if everyone feels that it is a huge risk to convert to JDM spec bumper beams, then I guess I will not even bother importing them in...
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Old 11-28-2003, 07:00 PM   #10
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go to boomplustoys, ask them for one of their jdm bumper beams (if they still have them in stock), then proceed to jump on it and report back to us how strong they are

but seriously... considering how vulnerable the timing belt is on subaru motors, i don't want to be bumped in a parking lot and lose my whole motor because the bumper beam is barely strong enough to support the bumper
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Old 11-28-2003, 07:03 PM   #11
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as far as i know boomplustoys regularly brings this stuff in.

i think our bumper beams are good only up to 5mph? basically a solid parking lot bump. if it takes that much steel for such a low speed, imagine how useless the jdm one will be... it dosen't take much to get into a low-speed front end collision and mess up the timing belt... bye-bye motor

$2900-3000cdn seems to be the standardgoing rate for jdm hid's. anything cheaper would be used... i used to see them go for around 100k jpy on the yahoo.jp auction site.
I do not think the govt of all other countries would allow a car to be street worthy if the bumper beam would just snap at 5, 8 kmh bumps... . It would offer less protection and probably bend out of shape, but if it really breaks that easily, then why bother making a beam at all? I am sure Subaru Japan has done their homework to actually make it a standard product on all their non-NA imprezas. But like I said in the earlier post, if the mentalitly of people here is that they are not prepared for the extra risk to get larger fog lights then, it does not make business sense to import them in...

Oh and thanks for the link, I will do some research on that....
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Old 11-28-2003, 07:13 PM   #12
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the bumper laws overseas are pretty light to nonexistent. when i did a jdm conversion on my old type-r, i got the chance to see a chopped up jdm itr in person... the rear bumper had no beam at all (just the hanger) and no foam core. the same goes for the front bumper... it was only there just keep the bumper from sagging
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Why do they make the light-weight bumper? Well, they do sell Imprezas to people who wish to rally and race them. It's called the RA model. It's stripped down, with no frills. People who race their car (not the show-and-go that we have here), and do not drive them on the street could care less about crash protection, since they're probably wrapped in a protective roll cage.

If they did make a standard bumper, they why don't they just use one bumper over all their product range?!?!?!?

There's a reason why they say certain products are for "off road use only." Think about it.

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Old 11-28-2003, 07:26 PM   #14
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Why do they make the light-weight bumper? Well, they do sell Imprezas to people who wish to rally and race them. It's called the RA model. It's stripped down, with no frills. People who race their car (not the show-and-go that we have here), and do not drive them on the street could care less about crash protection, since they're probably wrapped in a protective roll cage.

If they did make a standard bumper, they why don't they just use one bumper over all their product range?!?!?!?

There's a reason why they say certain products are for "off road use only." Think about it.

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Well, actually I did not post this thred to discuss about how the bumper beams would fare in a 5,8, whatever, knock. Also not to discuss if it was standard issue on RA, STi, Spec-C, etc....

My aim is to see if there is a market for these products before I place a minimum order of 10-15 sets. As it is going, it seems that it would not be wise to invest in stocking these products.

I thank you all for your constructive feedback and opinions.

Cheers.
Vance.....

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Old 11-28-2003, 07:27 PM   #15
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extra cost.
extra weight.

oh yeah... the jdm model didn't have side impact beams in the doors... again, extra weight and cost
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Old 11-28-2003, 07:28 PM   #16
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wasn't the front rebar the reason why we can't get the mitsu evo here?
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Old 11-28-2003, 07:30 PM   #17
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the bumper laws overseas are pretty light to nonexistent. when i did a jdm conversion on my old type-r, i got the chance to see a chopped up jdm itr in person... the rear bumper had no beam at all (just the hanger) and no foam core. the same goes for the front bumper... it was only there just keep the bumper from sagging
Well, you do know it is this exact law that made the EVO a no-go in Canada?

Well, I can only conclude that people here want their cars to be able to withstand small accidents by having strong metal beams in the bumper...... Kinda reminds me of my uncle's old school volvo.... solid like a rock but as fast as one too..!! haha...

Cheers..
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it's BECAUSE of those volvos out there i need the rebar!
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Old 11-28-2003, 07:34 PM   #19
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Nah, get yourself one of those old school hummer and crush them into bits.....
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is there anyway of modifying the stock rebar to fit those lights?
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Old 11-28-2003, 10:20 PM   #21
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Someone in the states did cut it to fit the fogs...

but looking at that big bad bar, I'd say it would not be a simple job..... and you need some pretty badass tools to cut thru it..
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not really... a plasma torch can work wonders

go to total. give ken reason to practice his newfound skills
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STi-Mulation... i have a contact as well overseas. how much would u be willing to pay for jdm sti hid, used, but the lenses are cracked (not broken)? you can use the lenses from your existing lights to replace these and it should be okay... i know thedog did a pretty decent job on his...
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STi-Mulation... i have a contact as well overseas. how much would u be willing to pay for jdm sti hid, used, but the lenses are cracked (not broken)? you can use the lenses from your existing lights to replace these and it should be okay... i know thedog did a pretty decent job on his...
You know what, actually I only plan to change to HIDs after my FGK project but I cracked my Driver's Side Headlamp Assy thus I had to do something about it.....

SO I thought, instead of buying a USDM Assy (C$500++ for one side) might as well do the JDM HID mod and save the C$500++.... If the crack is on the Passenger's (USDM) side then it is ok, but if it is on the Driver's side then it is of no use to me, cause mine is cracked too!!......

I would say since the ebay guy want's ard 899 USD , for a cracked set maybe 100-200 Less? Also My dealer in Jap is asking ard 1100 (brand new) If I pick up one set, but if I order 10 he can give me a substential discount and maybe throw in shipping!! that is why I am posting to guage the intrest in these HIDs

Anyway thanks for the offer and keep me updated.....
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i was watching the news last nite and they had a report on low-speed crash testing on SUV's... the only one that passed was the honda pilot. one of the worse was the kia sorento, in which a little bump with a wall cost over $6k to fix.

there were further comments about the insurance industry pushing carmakers to make bumpers more resistant because they use the results of these crash tests to determine the rates. the higher the cost of repair claims, the higher it will cost to insure.

in japan they don't care. the cost to repair a car over there is not worth it, and the cost to fully insure a car is stupid high to begin with, so many just get by with basic coverage... they would rather declare it a total loss instead, which is why we see so many wrecks on yahoo.jp auction sites which would be an easy fix here is considered scrap over there

so i guess that's why we have those big heavy bumper beams....
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