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Old 11-30-2003, 06:18 PM   #1
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Default New Outback H6 tested in Wheels magazine

The new Outback H6 180kw (240hp) has been tested in the Australian Wheels magazine. The times teted are as follows:
Tested with 2 people on board and a full tank of gas,
0-100kmh (0-62mph) 7.6secs
0-400mt (1/4mile) 15.6secs
overtaking 80-120kmh (50-75mph) 4.8secs
Not bad for a 3.0lt 6.
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Old 11-30-2003, 06:29 PM   #2
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Yes, very speedy ! Actually, all of the MY04 Libertys / Outbacks tested by Wheels have been 1 full second faster from 0-100km than the factory specs

How have you found it Suba, now that you've had it for a few weeks ? The article said the transmission is a bit slow to react to gear changes when in tiptronic mode. As an owner, are there any other points that you'd agree / disagree with the article ?
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Old 11-30-2003, 07:39 PM   #3
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Losiho, how are you?

You have obviously read the article and yes I do have a few points to pick with the article.

The article was a test between 3 vehicles:
Holden Adventra V8 250kw and 450nm @ 1980kg (I think) awd Toyota Kluger V6 3.2lt 172kw and 328nm @ 1810kg awd
Outback H6 3.0lt 180kw and 297nm @ 1540kg awd.

Firstly, they must be driving a different car. When left in auto, it may be a little slow, but I think all autos in auto mode are slow. But when in sportshift manual it is very quick. Certainly as quick as I'd ever want or could NORMALLY shift in a manual car. I really don't understand their comment in that regard. The only thing I can see is that they like a lazy drive. No up shifting and just driving around on torque. The reason I bought the Outback was for it's peppy and sporty nature and the brilliant smooth H6, not some cumbersome SUV like the Kluger or a gas guzzling neanderthal V8 like the Holden.

Some other comments also are strange as it would suit only certain people, like the seat base is a bit short. Well, this suits me fine as I'm not tall. If it was longer in the base then it would be harder for a short person to bend at the knee. They also said the seat was firm. Everybody who has driven my Outback says the seats are very nice, one of the most comfortable they've sat in. Go figure.

Anyway, most of their comments were "in the eye of the beholder" type comments. They gave the award to the Kluger basically because it was bigger and higher and was "probably" better off road, whereas the Outback was a sporty drive with better handling and better dynamics. This is what I mean by "in the eye of the beholder". I like the fact that it is LOWER, SPORTIER and ISN'T big and high. I don't think the article put the right vehicles to test together. I wouldn't even consider the other two vehicles to purchase.
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Old 11-30-2003, 07:54 PM   #4
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Oh, and another thing Losiho.

Did you read the article about the Liberty GT in October Wheels?

They said the GT was possibly one of the best tourers ever or something to that effect. Now, the Outback H6 is not that much different to the GT. I've driven both and I know. Yes I know the Outback is higher with higher side wall tyres, but it aint that much different to have such totally different reviews. The seats aren't that different either.
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Old 12-01-2003, 01:08 AM   #5
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Hi there Suba,

Yep, I read the October issue too, as well as the medium-sized sedan battle last month. In the very same October issue, in the news section, Wheels reporters claim the Japanese spec H6 powered Legacy sedan is the best car in the lineup, and better than the GT, yet they seemed slightly less impressed with the drivetrain in this issue....strange. They certainly seemed "picky" in their critisicms in both the Nov and Dec issues (small back seat, not much under thigh support, steering wheel doesn't have enough adjustment, etc).

It seemed a little strange that in the Oct issue, they said the transmission in the Premium sedan was "slick and intuitively eager in sports mode", yet this month (although a different 5 speed auto) they say it struggles due to a lack of torque.

Motoring journalists sometimes are finnicky and pedantic, so it's good to hear some feedback from those who actually live with the vehicles for an extended period of time
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Old 12-02-2003, 01:53 AM   #6
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Losiho,

Yes to all of yours above. Especially the bit about the H6 Legacy being better drive than the GT. I forgot about that bit.

I guess one thing that can be improved on the new Outback is the tyres. I had 17" rims (Advanti 7 spoke champagne) put on my old Outback H6 with 235/50 Bridgestone RE040's on them. It really looked nice on the old H6. I kept them and put them on my new H6. These are directional and road only tyres, but they do make quite a diff to the handling and driveability of the car. They still look good on the new H6.

You might be interested in what another local Aussie wrote in the Edmunds forum. I have put it below but you can get more of what he wrote if you got to Edmunds.com, then to: Car Discussions, then to: Subaru, then to: Outback, then to: 2005 Outback Legacy (or something like that). Anyway this is what he wrote:

"#357 of 360 outback 6 by johntracker Dec 01, 2003 (4:00 am)
I find the sportshift works just fine. It compares very well with the steptronic on my last BMW 330ci - and, only1agan, that was a car that had the same sized engine yet cost double what the Outback did.


I generally run 2 cars and one is always for practicality. The latest Outback is a bit of a conundrum as it is possibly more fun, and a better performer, than several sports coupes I have owned.


Subah6 is dead right - compare the H6 to what is available at the price in the US and draw your own conclusions. I have lived in the UK and USA and realise that the difference between various brands of cars is not always the same from country to country but...


...here I was shopping around 50k - 60k AUD (including all taxes) and the short list came down to the Subaru, BMW 318i sedan and the Audi A4 Avante (wagon).


The build quality was very similar in all three cases but only one didn't come with a circa 130hp four cylinder engine (it also had a lot more space inside).


Probably the biggest wrap I can give the Outback is that if I go somewhere by myself (as distinct from with a pile of luggage or people where I don't have a choice) I am happy to take either current car I have - the 911 6 speed manual or the Outback auto. With 235Kw the 911 is quicker but the 180kw OBW is no slouch and is a heap of fun to boot."


John

Anyway, you'll have to make up your own mind as to whether you go with the journos or us who actually own them.

Losiho, did you send me your email address as you know I'm in Sydney I'm sure from previous posts.
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Old 12-02-2003, 03:32 AM   #7
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Johntracker's car looks very nice, in my future colour too, Atlantic Blue Pearl !

Obviously the new H6 engine is more powerful Suba, but how did you find the previous EZ30 ? (annoying transmission aside)
Other owners from the net have told me the previous H6 had a very meaty midrange compared to the 2.5 EJ25.

I didn't send you my e-mail addy before, I'm from Melbourne

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Suba -

I'm brining this thread back to the top, considering we had a troll last night who decided to reply to every single thread with smilies
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