Drift Competition at B.Bay...

tora · 12-01-2003, 02:25 PM

So, did anyone attend? Anyone hear how it went?

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Mirage · 12-01-2003, 02:27 PM

Any videos?

tora · 12-01-2003, 02:47 PM

I sorta heard there wasn't much to see.
Almost every car spun out.....not too much in the way of drifting

Benjamin Tang · 12-01-2003, 03:58 PM

there is another one december 6th... i was told spectators had to pay as well?

:

http://www.vancouverdrifters.org/events.htm

Mirage · 12-01-2003, 04:09 PM

Whoa. Its a society!

steve · 12-01-2003, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Benjamin Tang
there is another one december 6th... i was told spectators had to pay as well? :

http://www.vancouverdrifters.org/events.htm

so let me see if I'm reading this right.....
To watch the event, you need to be a part of the club at a cost of $100?!?

That doesn't sound right at all.
Nor would it be good for the drift scene in general.

AllWheelDrift · 12-01-2003, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hypa
so let me see if I'm reading this right.....
To watch the event, you need to be a part of the club at a cost of $100?!?

That doesn't sound right at all.
Nor would it be good for the drift scene in general.

Probably a legal/insurance issue.

fukamoto · 12-01-2003, 08:02 PM

Isn't it pretty tough to get a good drift going on with the surface @ Mission?......bye bye tires...

SubaruWrex · 12-02-2003, 12:29 AM

the reason for the limited access was to keep people that weren't directly connected to the event out of the airport grounds... drifting is a relatively hi profile sport, and was feared to have the potential to get out of control if too many spectators were allowed in...

can you blame them?? the boundary bay airport driving area is just a few hundred feet from an active runway... and it's the 4th busiest airport in canada, so there was some concern... bad experiences in the past with hi-profile events added to it...

but aside from all of that.. i'd like to hear what people thought of it... there was a lot of rubber there this morning!

tora · 12-02-2003, 12:00 PM

Are you sure it didn't have to do with insurance?

urbanwhitetrash · 12-02-2003, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SubaruWrex
the boundary bay airport driving area is just a few hundred feet from an active runway... and it's the 4th busiest airport in canada

Damn

that's nutty

steve · 12-02-2003, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SubaruWrex
the reason for the limited access was to keep people that weren't directly connected to the event out of the airport grounds... drifting is a relatively hi profile sport, and was feared to have the potential to get out of control if too many spectators were allowed in...

We have dozens of autoX's per year at Boundary Bay with no issues. And drifting is far from high profile. This is the lower mainland, not Socal. If anything, I'd think that you would want more spectators, since drifting is a specator based sport.

Quote:

can you blame them?? the boundary bay airport driving area is just a few hundred feet from an active runway... and it's the 4th busiest airport in canada, so there was some concern... bad experiences in the past with hi-profile events added to it...

What bad experiences are you talking about?
As for the airport, see my above post. Unless the drifters are a bunch of idiots, I'd give them and the spectators the benefit of the doubt. How else will the sport grow if only an elite crowd can afford to see/compete in the event?

Quote:

but aside from all of that.. i'd like to hear what people thought of it... there was a lot of rubber there this morning!

2 weeks ago I was talking smack about drifting. Now after educating myself with magazines, websites, and videos, I actually want to get in on this. Almost to the point where I'm considering running my WRX rwd and taking it to an event. However, I along with a few others want to see what the event is about before we invest time and money into modifying for drift.

Sometimes you need to give people a taste of what to expect for them to invest in the society. That's the reason why porn websites have the free entry

SubaruWrex · 12-02-2003, 02:55 PM

re: hypa

the auto-x group is a known event to the airport, and they know that the events are put on with little if any problems... it's when you bring in a new event group, that has potential for being big, that starts to worry the airport.. when I say hi-profile I was referring more to the fact that it has the potential to bring a lot of interest and people to an event.. which is good for the sport, but for the location at Boundary Bay it's not an ideal situation....

I can't go into details about previous problems in that area, but you have to understand that it is by no means a purpose built facility for vehicle events or any events for that matter, with little in the way of people/vehicle control... once you guys turn the corner past the RCMP gates you are now within secured airport grounds, and once in the auto-x area you are merely a hop skip and a jump from encroaching on the active airport grounds... so while it's good to make use of that area of the airport, especially for these types of events, to help people take it to the track and keep the racing off the streets, it's still in an area that has the potential to 'cause problems if an event got out of hand... all it takes is one person to walk outside of the boundary's in that auto-x area to shut down a runway and 'cause serious threats to aviation safety....

giving people the benifit of doubt wont happen in that area, in order for an event to take place, numerous conditions must be met, no exceptions, otherwise the events wont take place... the auto-x bunch are known and so the events continue no problems

I totally agree though about needing exposure, but unfortunately Boundary Bay AIRPORT isn't the best place to host huge events... a purpose built facility is more than needed in these parts, but until something better comes along the airport will still host these kinds of events given the right conditions are followed... and the most usually are.. but the fact that things have happened in the past, have caused some restrictions for the present and future... better safe than sorry..

there's my schpeal...

tora · 12-02-2003, 04:59 PM

SubaruWrex.....do you mind if I make an observation?
I tseems that you probably work at the airport....or you are just anal. I have auto-x'd at B. Bay for a couple years and have attended events with 130+ cars and many spectators.....that is a big auto-x even and it is by no means "hi-profile". The only hi profile car racing in Vancouver is the Molson Indy.

As for stepping or hopping/skipping out of bounds and shutting the airport down.....umm.....I doubt it. They've made movies at the airport, we've had cars run off the tarmac into the weeds, even a car launch through the tire barrier at the far end....with no consequences to the "4th busiest airport in Canada".

The reason spectators aren't allowed is because their insurance doesn't cover it. Being a new type of even NO insurance agency is willing to cover people standing around at an event where the purpose is to drift...or to insurance people "drive in an out of control or on the verge of control manner".

Just my opinion.....but lighten up a little on the everything that happens at the airport is of the utmost importance/high security delicately run balance of speciality....or something.

steve · 12-02-2003, 07:01 PM

SubaruWrex, if bureaucracy has taught me anything, it's that even if it makes sense to us, someone in power is an idiot, and can't fathom that we're not there to commandeer an airplane, and take out the Alex Fraser bridge. I just want to see sideways action, and smell tire smoke!

With that said, I understand where they're coming from as far as insurance, etc is concerned. My problem is that I'm not interested in joining the society, I just want to see what the local drifters are capable of. At any rate, I'll be getting back from the island that day, so I'll probably stop by to see some of the event. If you see a white guy with a beer in his hand sitting outside the fence cheering "DO-RIFTO! HACHI ROKU!" it will probably be me.

Benjamin Tang · 12-02-2003, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hypa
so I'll probably stop by to see some of the event. If you see a white guy with a beer in his hand sitting outside the fence cheering "DO-RIFTO! HACHI ROKU!" it will probably be me.

u sound like a guy with a beer gut and a mullet at a NASCAR event with his favorite racer's number shaved into his back hair

SubaruWrex · 12-02-2003, 10:24 PM

hmm.. re-reading my previous post i came off pretty harsh and quite anal there... it was not my intent by any means..

tora - i do work at the airport and unfortuantely we are all pretty anal that work there in airport ops.. =D the rules that we have to follow to operate the joint are incredibly anal and so that in turn makes us out to be anal by association....

i'm sure that insurance played a large part in the restrictions, but when the event was still in the planning process, it looked like it might even get cancelled.. the compromise was that access to the event was to be for people involved only...

all the movies and such always have airport personel on site to make sure things go smoothly.. and in some cases, involve closing of runways...

anyways guys.. I didn't mean to come off sounding all knowing and 'this is what has to happen...' just wanted to bring in to light that the area's a very sensitve place for the airport (primarly to do with "giving the benifit of the doubt" to people and having it cause serious problems as a result...) I just wanted to help try and explain some of the method to the madness...

I too want to see some sidewayz drifting action... and look forward to hearing more about these events...

there's schpeal #2 for ya...

and a banana for no hard feelings...

tora · 12-03-2003, 12:57 PM

I just like bugging airport guys..

I had a good friend who was an air traffic controller in Edmonton. He was a stress case...I used to always rib him. Just trying to get a rise out of you too. No hard feelings of course.

steve · 12-03-2003, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Benjamin Tang
u sound like a guy with a beer gut and a mullet at a NASCAR event with his favorite racer's number shaved into his back hair

Well, my hair is getting a bit longer.....

I just want to see the event.

deft · 12-03-2003, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hypa
SubaruWrex, if bureaucracy has taught me anything, it's that even if it makes sense to us, someone in power is an idiot, and can't fathom that we're not there to commandeer an airplane, and take out the Alex Fraser bridge. I just want to see sideways action, and smell tire smoke!

With that said, I understand where they're coming from as far as insurance, etc is concerned. My problem is that I'm not interested in joining the society, I just want to see what the local drifters are capable of. At any rate, I'll be getting back from the island that day, so I'll probably stop by to see some of the event. If you see a white guy with a beer in his hand sitting outside the fence cheering "DO-RIFTO! HACHI ROKU!" it will probably be me.

LOL, that would be awesome. Make sure you only talk using a fake japanese accent!

aawen · 12-08-2003, 09:14 PM

http://www.vcmc.ca/cgi-bin/ultimateb...917;p=1#000001

STi-Mulation · 12-08-2003, 09:34 PM

Was at Advance Auto to do an alignment today and there it was... the Toyota GTS with the messed up passenger front wheel....

Orbiter · 12-09-2003, 04:46 AM

I heard the event generated quite a bit of interest..

Pat Richard was there along with some potential sponsors..

steve · 12-10-2003, 02:56 PM

And I showed up on time too!

But it was Sunday......

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tora Scooby Guru Member#: 5851 Join Date: Apr 2001 Chapter/Region: VIC Location: Vancouver Vehicle: 09 Forester XT + NA Miata	I sorta heard there wasn't much to see. Almost every car spun out.....not too much in the way of drifting

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Benjamin Tang Scooby Guru Member#: 4496 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: British Columbia Canada Vehicle: 2009 Forester red	there is another one december 6th... i was told spectators had to pay as well? : http://www.vancouverdrifters.org/events.htm

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Mirage NASIOC Supporter Member#: 155 Join Date: Aug 1999 Chapter/Region: VIC Location: Burnaby, BC, Canada Vehicle: 01 RS Coupe/Silver 00 SiR/06 ZX-6R	Whoa. Its a society!

12-01-2003, 08:02 PM	#8
fukamoto Scooby Guru Member#: 13339 Join Date: Dec 2001 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Seattle, WA Vehicle: 2013 BRZ White	Isn't it pretty tough to get a good drift going on with the surface @ Mission?......bye bye tires...

12-02-2003, 12:29 AM	#9
SubaruWrex Scooby Newbie Member#: 14661 Join Date: Jan 2002 Chapter/Region: W. Canada Location: Calgary Vehicle: 2004 WRX Rally Blue 90 Legacy TSD'er SOLD	the reason for the limited access was to keep people that weren't directly connected to the event out of the airport grounds... drifting is a relatively hi profile sport, and was feared to have the potential to get out of control if too many spectators were allowed in... can you blame them?? the boundary bay airport driving area is just a few hundred feet from an active runway... and it's the 4th busiest airport in canada, so there was some concern... bad experiences in the past with hi-profile events added to it... but aside from all of that.. i'd like to hear what people thought of it... there was a lot of rubber there this morning!

12-02-2003, 12:00 PM	#10
tora Scooby Guru Member#: 5851 Join Date: Apr 2001 Chapter/Region: VIC Location: Vancouver Vehicle: 09 Forester XT + NA Miata	Are you sure it didn't have to do with insurance?

12-02-2003, 02:55 PM	#13
SubaruWrex Scooby Newbie Member#: 14661 Join Date: Jan 2002 Chapter/Region: W. Canada Location: Calgary Vehicle: 2004 WRX Rally Blue 90 Legacy TSD'er SOLD	re: hypa the auto-x group is a known event to the airport, and they know that the events are put on with little if any problems... it's when you bring in a new event group, that has potential for being big, that starts to worry the airport.. when I say hi-profile I was referring more to the fact that it has the potential to bring a lot of interest and people to an event.. which is good for the sport, but for the location at Boundary Bay it's not an ideal situation.... I can't go into details about previous problems in that area, but you have to understand that it is by no means a purpose built facility for vehicle events or any events for that matter, with little in the way of people/vehicle control... once you guys turn the corner past the RCMP gates you are now within secured airport grounds, and once in the auto-x area you are merely a hop skip and a jump from encroaching on the active airport grounds... so while it's good to make use of that area of the airport, especially for these types of events, to help people take it to the track and keep the racing off the streets, it's still in an area that has the potential to 'cause problems if an event got out of hand... all it takes is one person to walk outside of the boundary's in that auto-x area to shut down a runway and 'cause serious threats to aviation safety.... giving people the benifit of doubt wont happen in that area, in order for an event to take place, numerous conditions must be met, no exceptions, otherwise the events wont take place... the auto-x bunch are known and so the events continue no problems I totally agree though about needing exposure, but unfortunately Boundary Bay AIRPORT isn't the best place to host huge events... a purpose built facility is more than needed in these parts, but until something better comes along the airport will still host these kinds of events given the right conditions are followed... and the most usually are.. but the fact that things have happened in the past, have caused some restrictions for the present and future... better safe than sorry.. there's my schpeal...

12-02-2003, 04:59 PM	#14
tora Scooby Guru Member#: 5851 Join Date: Apr 2001 Chapter/Region: VIC Location: Vancouver Vehicle: 09 Forester XT + NA Miata	SubaruWrex.....do you mind if I make an observation? I tseems that you probably work at the airport....or you are just anal. I have auto-x'd at B. Bay for a couple years and have attended events with 130+ cars and many spectators.....that is a big auto-x even and it is by no means "hi-profile". The only hi profile car racing in Vancouver is the Molson Indy. As for stepping or hopping/skipping out of bounds and shutting the airport down.....umm.....I doubt it. They've made movies at the airport, we've had cars run off the tarmac into the weeds, even a car launch through the tire barrier at the far end....with no consequences to the "4th busiest airport in Canada". The reason spectators aren't allowed is because their insurance doesn't cover it. Being a new type of even NO insurance agency is willing to cover people standing around at an event where the purpose is to drift...or to insurance people "drive in an out of control or on the verge of control manner". Just my opinion.....but lighten up a little on the everything that happens at the airport is of the utmost importance/high security delicately run balance of speciality....or something.

12-02-2003, 07:01 PM	#15
steve Scooby Guru Member#: 4718 Join Date: Mar 2001 Chapter/Region: VIC Location: Location : Location Vehicle: ~ too many to list	SubaruWrex, if bureaucracy has taught me anything, it's that even if it makes sense to us, someone in power is an idiot, and can't fathom that we're not there to commandeer an airplane, and take out the Alex Fraser bridge. I just want to see sideways action, and smell tire smoke! With that said, I understand where they're coming from as far as insurance, etc is concerned. My problem is that I'm not interested in joining the society, I just want to see what the local drifters are capable of. At any rate, I'll be getting back from the island that day, so I'll probably stop by to see some of the event. If you see a white guy with a beer in his hand sitting outside the fence cheering "DO-RIFTO! HACHI ROKU!" it will probably be me.

12-02-2003, 10:24 PM	#17
SubaruWrex Scooby Newbie Member#: 14661 Join Date: Jan 2002 Chapter/Region: W. Canada Location: Calgary Vehicle: 2004 WRX Rally Blue 90 Legacy TSD'er SOLD	hmm.. re-reading my previous post i came off pretty harsh and quite anal there... it was not my intent by any means.. tora - i do work at the airport and unfortuantely we are all pretty anal that work there in airport ops.. =D the rules that we have to follow to operate the joint are incredibly anal and so that in turn makes us out to be anal by association.... i'm sure that insurance played a large part in the restrictions, but when the event was still in the planning process, it looked like it might even get cancelled.. the compromise was that access to the event was to be for people involved only... all the movies and such always have airport personel on site to make sure things go smoothly.. and in some cases, involve closing of runways... anyways guys.. I didn't mean to come off sounding all knowing and 'this is what has to happen...' just wanted to bring in to light that the area's a very sensitve place for the airport (primarly to do with "giving the benifit of the doubt" to people and having it cause serious problems as a result...) I just wanted to help try and explain some of the method to the madness... I too want to see some sidewayz drifting action... and look forward to hearing more about these events... there's schpeal #2 for ya... and a banana for no hard feelings...

12-03-2003, 12:57 PM	#18
tora Scooby Guru Member#: 5851 Join Date: Apr 2001 Chapter/Region: VIC Location: Vancouver Vehicle: 09 Forester XT + NA Miata	I just like bugging airport guys.. I had a good friend who was an air traffic controller in Edmonton. He was a stress case...I used to always rib him. Just trying to get a rise out of you too. No hard feelings of course.

12-08-2003, 09:14 PM	#21
aawen Scooby Specialist Member#: 27167 Join Date: Oct 2002 Chapter/Region: VIC Location: 604 Vehicle: 09 Impreza SWP	http://www.vcmc.ca/cgi-bin/ultimateb...917;p=1#000001

12-08-2003, 09:34 PM	#22
STi-Mulation Scooby Newbie Member#: 34722 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Westside, Vancouver Vehicle: 05 BMX Black	Was at Advance Auto to do an alignment today and there it was... the Toyota GTS with the messed up passenger front wheel....

12-09-2003, 04:46 AM	#23
Orbiter Scooby Specialist Member#: 66 Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia, C Vehicle: 2002 Impreza WRX Britney Edition	I heard the event generated quite a bit of interest.. Pat Richard was there along with some potential sponsors..

12-10-2003, 02:56 PM	#24
steve Scooby Guru Member#: 4718 Join Date: Mar 2001 Chapter/Region: VIC Location: Location : Location Vehicle: ~ too many to list	And I showed up on time too! But it was Sunday......