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Old 12-04-2003, 05:33 PM   #1
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Default Anyone have any unusual experiences with RE92s, or alignment problems with 2002 WRX?

Anyone have any unusual experiences with RE92s, or alignment problems with 2002 WRX? My left front tires are wearing unevenly on the inside edge, compared to right front. Never hit a pothole, keep pressures pretty uniform. I have 42,000 miles on them and don't know if it's a waste of money to get an alignment if I don't need it. I also don't know if the Subaru dealer is the best/cheapest place to get the alignment done. Any suggestions? I'm in Chelmsford, MA area.
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Old 12-04-2003, 05:41 PM   #2
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Have you been rotating the tires regularly? Assuming you did and the wear was the same, I would say it's time for an alignment. Check the regional forums. Perhaps a local member can give you advice on the best/cheapest shop in your area.

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Old 12-04-2003, 05:47 PM   #3
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That's the problem. I haven't been rotating them every 7500 miles more like 15,000 to 20,000. My guess was that maybe I didn't rotate regularly enough but wouldn't they of at least worn out evenly? My left front is much worse than the right front. My dilemma is that if I spend the $80 for an alignment that I don't need that would be a waste. What do you think?
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Old 12-04-2003, 06:05 PM   #4
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Wait.

You got 42k miles on the original tires?

Mine were junk and dangerous and near the wear bars after 13k miles and I don't exactly flog my car on the streets.
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Old 12-04-2003, 06:09 PM   #5
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If they had the same sort of wear after you rotated them, I would suspect that the aligment could be off. After 40k miles, it's not unusual. If you're going to be getting new tires soon, I would probably suggest an alignment regardless. It's better to pay the $80 now rather than screwing up a new set of treads. ....just my opinion. Luke from Tire Rack might have something to add.

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Old 12-04-2003, 07:15 PM   #6
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My alignment was off from the start, different side to side by quite a bit.

The left front tire wears quicker on all WRXs I've noticed, not entirely sure why.
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Old 12-04-2003, 07:19 PM   #7
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The left front tire wears quicker on all WRXs I've noticed, not entirely sure why.
hmmmm. Not on mine.
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Old 12-04-2003, 07:23 PM   #8
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Default alignment question

with a newly aligned subaru on stock wheels/tires...will a nice new set of 17X7.5's throw off the alignmet?

Basically I want to know if I shoud wait until after I put on my new wheels to get an alignment.
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Old 12-04-2003, 07:50 PM   #9
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Sounds very much like your LF wheel has more negative camber dialed in than your RF. Toe tends to affect both sides equally.

I'd get it aligned...
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Old 12-04-2003, 07:53 PM   #10
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Thanks for all your feedback guys. Do you think that there's a benefit to getting an alignment done for $80 at the Subaru dealer compared to maybe 10-20 bucks less with a Good Year or other shop? I always hate going to the price gouging dealers unless they do a better job than say a Sears or Good Year shop. What are your experiences?
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Old 12-04-2003, 07:57 PM   #11
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1. it's not uncommon that dealer alignment is not "right on" on purchase (something in transport?) 2. if you got more than 40k on re-92's youre fortunate. 3. some dealers (like mine) send the car out for alignment. 4. i agree with the getting a new alignment idea, you can find preferences here with a good serch. 4. good luck! by the way, i noticed the same thing at about 8k!
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Old 12-04-2003, 08:07 PM   #12
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with a newly aligned subaru on stock wheels/tires...will a nice new set of 17X7.5's throw off the alignmet?

Basically I want to know if I shoud wait until after I put on my new wheels to get an alignment.
Ronal (my wheel manufacturer) recommended it when they installed my wheels.
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Old 12-05-2003, 10:59 AM   #13
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I can't believe you have 42K on those RE-92s. Mine lasted till about 15k, and they were getting really scary those last few thousand.

As others have told you go ahead and check your alignment. I think the goodyear shops are fine. No need to spend so much more at the Subaru dealership for the same thing that they may screw up to. Plus, with the new wheels a alignment is alway recommend too if you have not had one in a while.

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Old 12-05-2003, 11:11 AM   #14
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I've mine aligned at the dealer and a Goodyear shop, and the Goodyear shop was more customer friendly. They aligned it to specs that I gave them, and gave me the alignment sheet after they were done (and it was $10 less).

That way I know how close they got the alignment. "Within spec" for Subaru could be a LARGE variation for my tastes.
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Old 12-05-2003, 11:20 AM   #15
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my 2002 was delivered with a bent rear strut. it was replaced under warrenty, but it took a long time to track down the problem. that being said, if you're not rotating your tires it's not surprising that you'd have some unusual wear after 42K miles.

still you might want to get the front suspension throughly checked out to make sure there's nothing else going on.
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Old 12-05-2003, 11:21 AM   #16
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hmmmm. Not on mine.
haven't noticed yours, just the twenty or so that autocross here in Houston.
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Old 12-05-2003, 12:04 PM   #17
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haven't noticed yours, just the twenty or so that autocross here in Houston.
I'm not dismissing your claim, just saying I didn't notice that problem on mine.
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Old 12-05-2003, 01:53 PM   #18
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I can't believe you have 42K on those RE-92s. Mine lasted till about 15k, and they were getting really scary those last few thousand.

K
I have well over 50K on my RE-92s, and while they are quite worn, they got me through the snow today without any trouble.
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Old 12-05-2003, 10:23 PM   #19
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I've got 44K mi on the first RE92's now. Of course they are super dangerous now, but xmas is coming! 20K of that was freeway miles tho...

I ran these crappy tires on my Taurus SHO twice (it came to me with almost new ones the first time) and got 15K if I was lucky.

Must be the AWD ;D
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Old 12-06-2003, 06:38 AM   #20
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Tires don't just magically wear unevenly. If there's clearly a difference in wear between your left and right side tires, then the alignment is off, end of story. (That assumes, of course, that you're doing normal driving. If you're driving entails nothing but doing clock-wise circles in a parking lot then it's entirely normal for the left side tire to have uneven wear. ). Based on my personal experience and from talking to Subaru-owning friends, Subarus seem to come from the factory with a pretty random alignment. My sister's WRX had grossly mismatched toe and camber up front - the mismatched toe is the killer when it comes to tire wear.

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Sounds very much like your LF wheel has more negative camber dialed in than your RF.
It would take a lot of camber mismatch to make a noticeable difference in tire wear. It would probably be visually apparent looking at the two sides of the car.

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Toe tends to affect both sides equally.
Just curious what you mean by that. Toe on each side of the car can be adjusted independently, so it's entirely possible to have proper toe on one side of the car and messed up toe on the other side, resulting in one tire wearing faster than the other. I would be willing to bet that dinonet's problem is a toe mismatch.

As for where to get the car aligned, I would most certainly go to an alignment shop before I went to the dealer. As someone already suggest, check your regional forum - the NESIC guys will certainly be able to direct you to a good shop.

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with a newly aligned subaru on stock wheels/tires...will a nice new set of 17X7.5's throw off the alignmet?
Not unless the new wheels and tires are so hosed up that you shouldn't be buying them.

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Ronal (my wheel manufacturer) recommended it when they installed my wheels.
I'd be curious to hear Ronal's technical explanation of why an alignment would be necessary for new wheels and tires. Did you buy your wheels and have them mounted at a Ronal dealer or something? If so, that would explain their recommendation - more $$ in their pocket!

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Old 12-06-2003, 10:25 PM   #21
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my 2002 was delivered with a bent rear strut. it was replaced under warrenty, but it took a long time to track down the problem. that being said, if you're not rotating your tires it's not surprising that you'd have some unusual wear after 42K miles.

still you might want to get the front suspension throughly checked out to make sure there's nothing else going on.
I fuond my front right wheel wearing down more onthe inner than the outer edge. Then I took it over to MIDAS to get it aligned and they said that the control arm was bent. For some reason, Subaru doesn't cover this on my 2002 WRX that hasn't really gone through anything unusual.

Anyway, I bought a new control arm and aligned it perfectly. Cost me $150 labor and $100 control arm.

The subaru guys say that they have the best slignment and argue that "laser" alignment is needed for uor AWD, but I think that is bogus.

Anyway, my tires are done after 30k esp since one of the tires is overworn. It is worthe the $ to save your tires.
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Old 12-06-2003, 10:33 PM   #22
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I think most modern alignment shops use laser alignment machines. I can't say I've ever seen a dealer that had one, but if they do then it can't hurt to have them do the alignment (assuming it doesn't cast any more than any other shop, which is highly unlikely).

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Old 12-07-2003, 11:04 PM   #23
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I'd be curious to hear Ronal's technical explanation of why an alignment would be necessary for new wheels and tires. Did you buy your wheels and have them mounted at a Ronal dealer or something? If so, that would explain their recommendation - more $$ in their pocket!

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I bought my wheels directly from Ronal USA. They are the distributor for Ronal GmBH here in North America. They're not set up like the usual wheel/tire shop you would walk into. It's a large distribution whse. However, if you buy the wheels and tires from them (and can drive in locally), they'll mount them for you using a small lift they have in back of the whse. To make a long story short, I was able to get a discount on the wheels and on a set of Pirellis. I read about the alignment recommendation on their website and they suggested it to me when I had the wheels installed. Regardless, they don't offer those types of services so there is no profit to be had by them. I beleive their reasons may be purely as a precaution to keep your new tires from wearing improperly (I don't know since I never asked). I didn't feel it was necessary on mine sine my car was practically new at the time.

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Old 12-08-2003, 01:13 AM   #24
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I have uneven wear on my driver's front also. First noticed it on my original stockers at 16k (I think there was a rotation in there). It's really weird also and just on the inner set of blocks and not across the whole tire's width. I guess I need an alignment but that'll have to wait until springs in Spring. For now, I'll just have to rotate them a little more often...I guess.

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Old 12-09-2003, 09:33 AM   #25
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> wear on driver's front can be due to taking highway ramps (both on and off) at high speeds. you'll notice most of them entail right hand sweepers.

on the subject of toe wear being non-symmetrical, that would have to mean that one tire is side-slipping more than the other.

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