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Old 10-03-2000, 10:49 AM   #1
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Post for those of u who think the new wrx is gonna have 0-60 in the 5's...............

well sadly it aint gonna happen. just read a huge article on it in CAR magazine who just got to test drive the new WRX. its official the new one ways more, 140kg more, thats a hell of a lot, thatll put the WRX above 3000lbs . if the current GT had 215hp and wieghed 300lbs less and had a 0 to 60 of 5.6 seconds the this one ill guess will be maybe in high sixes? what also leads me to believe this is that the 250hp version that japan gets will have a 0 to 60 of 5.7 seconds. thats almost the same as the current GT with 35 more horses. on the plus site it handles better , of course its an ugly little..........
hey high 6's aint to shabby right, it better be below 7 though
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Old 10-03-2000, 11:05 AM   #2
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I read that article yesterday. Yes it might not be as fast in a straght line but who really care IMO. It is about taking the twisties and showing them who is boss. The article said that the New Impreza does this better as well as handling long "4th gear sweepers" without becoming a pain as well. However, CAR claims that because the WRX is now coming stateside, they have to make it less raw(as opposed to the last iteration of the WRX) to appeal to the majority of the US buyer. Now while this might be true, most of us don't know what the previoous was like so it seems to suck more for them--sorry to say, I wish it wasnt so--WE want it raw here too, right?
Something else is that the Jap spec WRX is down to 247hp!?!?!? from 276.
The article was very promising overall. They make a good point in stating that "from the drivers seat, you don't see the headlights." It also looks better without the spoiler IMO.

If you can find the magazine, it's this months, pick it up and read for yourselves. It was alot more positive then negative by a good margine.
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Old 10-03-2000, 11:49 AM   #3
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I hope most people didn't think the new WRX would do 0-60 in under 5 secs. The STi/Prodrive car will.

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its official the new one ways more, 140kg more, thats a hell of a lot, thatll put the WRX above 3000lbs
Actually the WRX is 2948 lb. Also, the WRX is a very light car for what it is. If you can find an inexpesive mass production AWD sedan with 250hp and 250 torque for under 3000lbs let me know.

I already posted this but...
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HP: 225, Torque: 207
0-60mph: 6.6 secs.
Weight: 3410 lb

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Old 10-03-2000, 11:54 AM   #4
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The new WRX is at least 250% more rigid than the old WRX.
The 247hp WRX is base. That's how Subaru delivers it. It's up to STi to tune it to 280hp. Think about it....before the base was 215hp!
In every way the new WRX is superior to the older WRX except for the funny lights. And what's wrong that it's more refined and more quiet? That's the benefit of new technology and NVH improvements!
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Old 10-03-2000, 01:41 PM   #5
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ok,
all ive been hearing from people from the last few months is how the new impreza that comes to the states is goin to have a 0 to 60 in the mid fives. they were basing it on the fact that it was probably goning to have 215hp, which is the same hp as the current GT. and the GT has a 0 to 60 in the mid to high fives (which some people say).
all i was saying in my post was that this was not gonna happen, i thought it was wishful thinking to began with and now im showing who ever thought this that it isnt gonna happen especially since the new base one that they will have in japan is 250hp and that one has 0 to 60 in the mid 5's, so obviously since we're getting one that is gonna be from 30 to 40 hp less in power the american version is not gonna be putting out those kinda times. if u already knew this thats great, however the title of the post was "to those of u who thought that the new impreza will do a 0 to 60 in the 5's......."(or soemthing along those lines) ok, so that si who it was directed too, i was not assuming that everyone thought this

and yes i know its still very light for an awd drive car, but that wasnt my purpose of the post

did i ever say refinement was bad? where did that come from refinement is great, only thing lacking in the current inpreza

and the article WAS very positive overall, it was long and the only thing negative in the entire article was about the new head lights.

and yes i know that STi will make a 280hp upgraded version like they always do, i was just using teh 250hp version as a comparison for 0 to 60 figures on what the US's version's will be, thats all

now feel free to bash my intelligence, seriously, if u have find any fault in this statemnt...... for i am hardly an expert in this field.
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Old 10-03-2000, 01:44 PM   #6
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No one's flaming you bud. Dunno where you got that from.

WEll as long as it can do low 6s.... I'm happy.
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Old 10-03-2000, 01:45 PM   #7
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guys...high HP does not necessarily a fast car make. What is the gearing of the new one? ...the ratios will dictate the speed at which it hits "x" speed.
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Old 10-03-2000, 01:52 PM   #8
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yea well a was kinda making the assumption that the new 250hp version and the new 215hp version have similar gearing but his assumption is very possibly in era, cuz i hardly know what im talking about here

Gambit
the assumption that i came to that i was being flammed came from the 2 hrs of sleep that ive gotten in the last 48hrs
i didnt really think i was being flamed either, i was just gettin vibes that ull all though i was an idiot, and paranoia from lack of sleep, so i was defending my statement to why i posted it, sorry
its all good guys
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Old 10-03-2000, 02:10 PM   #9
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I think the 0-60 will be around high 5s because the new WRX has a better torque curve compare to the old WRX engine. If you look at the VW turbo beetle it does 0-60 in a faster time than the Civic SIs (I think) because of the good low-end torque.
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Old 10-03-2000, 02:25 PM   #10
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According to the CAR article the gear ratios will be the same as the current turbo Impreza. Although they should shift a little better due to revised forks and linkages.
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Old 10-03-2000, 02:30 PM   #11
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SubyRacer,
Sorry dude if I sounded like I was flaming you (that don't sound right for some reason...) . I am just tired of (and yes I have mentioned this before) people kickin' the s h i t out of Subaru's flag-ship sports car on this website. If I want that I will hang on the Honda sites.

I know that was not your purpose.

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Old 10-03-2000, 02:31 PM   #12
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First gen WRX began it's life with ~246HP. So did the second gen. So will the third gen. It's called marketing and extending product life. Don't like it? Wait a year or so and they'll bump the HP.

Of course, if we get the same treatment that Europe got, we'll have ~215-220 to start, with a very small incremental increase. Not like what they get in Japan.

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Old 10-03-2000, 02:40 PM   #13
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Nothing wrong with refinement, true.. but keep in mind that "refinement" is what caused the new WRX to bloat out to around 3000 pounds.

"If you can find and inexpesive mass production AWD sedan with 250hp and 250 torque for under 3000lbs let me know."
Why, I believe I can. It's called the "old" WRX.
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Old 10-03-2000, 02:47 PM   #14
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The "old WRX" is not available to us here on the North American shores...

And that's all that really matters...now isn't it?

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Old 10-03-2000, 02:52 PM   #15
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isnt most of the increase of wieght attributed to the the larger and more rigid frame of the new car. (why did they make the car bigger anyway, to appeal to more to the family oriented? dont they have the legacy for that?)

mel 22b - dont worry about it, im tired and overly defensive, and i knew this when i was writing my replay, and yet did i anyway...?....and i didnt really think u guys were flaming me, its all good
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Old 10-03-2000, 02:54 PM   #16
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Black98RS, True True
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Old 10-03-2000, 03:40 PM   #17
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Until the engine is tested to it's limits, it's safe to say that with a little bump in boost, that motor should be screamin. it'll take time, but like always people will find ways to make that thing stronger, faster, and cheaper (maybe).
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Old 10-03-2000, 03:45 PM   #18
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Current WRX = 1270 kg = 2794 lbs (according to wrx faq)
Add 140 kg
New WRX = 1410 kg = 3102 lbs

Well, it's still lighter than a 3600 lb Audi S4, which does 0-60 in 5.5 with only 250HP.
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Old 10-03-2000, 03:46 PM   #19
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the only thing about that car i find semi interesting is the varible cam setup..
thats all i want to know about
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Old 10-03-2000, 03:54 PM   #20
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The gearing according to the AutoCar article is as follows:

Ratios/mph per 1000rpm
1st 3.17/5.0
2nd 1.88/8.5
3rd 1.29/ (there was no number here)
4th 0.97/12.4
5th 0.74/16.5
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I think it's also important to point out that it reaches 80% of maximum torque at 2200rpm

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Old 10-03-2000, 04:06 PM   #21
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The AutoCar article didn't sound too positive to me. They complained about the steering. "...the new Impreza's steering has been made much lighter but in the process appears to have lost some of it's feel. The engaging feedback of the old model has somehow been lost in the translation."

They did seem stoked on the new found rigidity of the shell but their other complaint was about the gearing and boost. "When shifting from second to third and third to fourth, you have to put your foot to the floor and change near the red line to avoid falling off-boost."

It's difficult to say what we will end up with in the states. The car may be so watered down that it will completely loose it's feel and not react as we want.
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Old 10-03-2000, 04:50 PM   #22
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hhhhmmmmmmmmm.....
havnt read the auto car article, was it reviewing the 247hp jap wrx or the 215hp euro wrx.... because the euro version is probably gonna closely resemble what we're gonna get.
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Old 10-03-2000, 05:19 PM   #23
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Now add a little bit more weight for the US of the US front inner beam. Not sure how much more it weighs but I know there is a difference. Oh and a improved torque curve could come from them using a smaller turbo again. If they are keeping the stock boost low they won't need a larger turbo and that would shorten spool up time and improve the power curve so its not as peaky as the last model. That could mean they are now using a T25 turbo on the new model versus some T28 turbo. With lower displacement and compression it will all come down to turbo selection. That is how they got the older A/T WRX to have almost transparent spool up time.
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Old 10-03-2000, 07:13 PM   #24
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Hey guys, why not just wait until some sound numbers come from a reliable source like ROAD&TRACK. Then you can decide if its up to your standards or not. It can't really be that much worse than an RS which is an excellent car.

Also the car has a stock turbo which will make it a whole hell of a lot easier to improve prefomance. Instead of a turbo "kit" you could just replace the original turbo with a drop in turbo that I'm sure many tuners will create.
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Old 10-03-2000, 09:08 PM   #25
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OK WRX fans,
First off how many of us have driven the older WRX? I don't. So those Europe reviewers can say this and that..... point is we won't know. In anycase it ought to be better than what we have here (I sure hope!). So sit back and be glad that we're up to world standards in terms of Impreza performance! I for one look forward to crossing the pond to ask for advice! No moer fiddling with AFC, ITC, TEC-II, TPS, and what not to get decent power. Want more power? put in a 3" full exhaust and upgrade that intake of yours.... and you're running with S4s!
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