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Old 06-12-2000, 11:56 AM   #1
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I have spent my day here looking at your wonderful bulletin board. It is devoid of the things that plague other boards. But one thing I have noticed.

A lot of members here seem to have a condition called "Honda Envy". You all spend so much time comparing your cars to honda, you all must be huge honda fans. Face it, Subarus are not sports cars(here in the U.S. at least). Only one of them is a sporty car. Hondas in the US are not sports cars(save the ITR which gives such driving pleasure, that anyone who calls it anything else need only drive one). Quite a few of them are sporty cars. Civic Si's, Integra GS-R's and Preludes are all cars that will smoke any Subaru stock to stock. You all think your cars handle great. Wrong, they just have a lot of grip. Want to see an AWD car that handles? Get in a 1.8t A4. This car handles great, and has a smooth ride.

By the way, what was subaru thinking when they put the ej25 in the RS? What an engineering disappointment. 2.5 liters, 165 HP? And what the **** is up with the knocking on cold starts? ****, there is even a section in the manual devoted to it. No honda this side of 1980 has any such problem or warning. Face it. The RS sucks. I used to be a fan, until I rode/drove in them a few times.

American market Subarus are great cars for going camping and offroading to the campsite, but a sports car they are not.

I am sure this message will be followed up with numerous references to the WRX and 22B. Look at it this way. Honda has a performance model of every car they make either here or in Japan. Subaru has only the Impreza.

Subaru has a long way to go before they are even considered sporty as a company.
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Old 06-12-2000, 01:00 PM   #2
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No Autocross OK. Then post your race times in whatever sort of race it was that you did beat an impreza rs. In your third post you said you race at summit point raceway so do some of our members so post links to track times!
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Old 06-12-2000, 01:01 PM   #3
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Oh lord, this again..

I drive a subaru cause they're quick, handle well, and with a minimum of add-ons, are definitely cars to be reckoned with.. So lets see -

0-60 times are easy to explain - with the V-tec engines, we have to shift before you do -we need to grab 3rd to get to 60.. Tell me this - when was the last time you could put you foot down at 70 (about 3k in my car) and walked away from everyone else? Until you get on cam, you're driving an econo engine - and what's cam, again? 6.5k?.. Gearing, my boy, gearing.. Remember, we're the fastest 0-30 cars in the class..

Hmm - I agree, I like the A4 - but I didn't wanna spend 26k for a car.. And I'll take my AWD in real world conditions over a FWD car anytime - including a Type R.. I can very easily get controllable 4 wheel drift and oversteer in my car - can you?

As to "Honda Envy" - I can't go 5 minutes without seeing an accord or a civic.. That would really make me feel distinctive.. Thanks, but I've seen 5 RS's in the 7 months I've owned the car.. Hondas are appliances, pure and simple.. Sheeple cars...

Enough time wasted on this - I'm glad you're happy with your honda - I'm certainly thrilled with my RS.. Troll somewhere else..

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Old 06-12-2000, 01:01 PM   #4
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*yawn*

HON-DUH boyz are boring...
all this ranting about HON-DUH's is quite boring...

what a waste of time... can we forget this loser and move on people???

and frankly, if all he/she/IT wants to do is come here and start a nasty thread/trouble... ??? what's left to say?

ok... that's just my opinion... not worth the time and effort in even debating the topic.



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Old 06-12-2000, 01:03 PM   #5
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I have 3 letters for you Honda pilots to remember: S V X. PLEASE tell me what stock production HONDA will outrun this SUBARU?
I'm waiting . . .
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Old 06-12-2000, 01:03 PM   #6
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SubieFL,

I do, actually it is a joint venture between my father and I, there is a picture of it on the members list, take a look.

Bad news- It is broken again, we are having electrical problems.....Chances are we are going to get rid of it. I think it will be a 911 next!


Are you interested in buying it?

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Old 06-12-2000, 01:07 PM   #7
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Hmm. So THAT's what Subie Gal looks like! Hm. Looks kinda shifty eyed to me.

rsquire: And you let her drive your 22B?!
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Old 06-12-2000, 01:08 PM   #8
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OK, I'll respond to this one, so hopefully you can get an idea of where the club stands.

We don't envy low-torque, FWD cars. We do envy high-torque AWD cars (STis, EVOs, 22Bs, P1's, Skylines, what have you). We appreciate most other cars, but we don't envy them, as we are happy with the cars we have; we wouldn't have bought them if they weren't the best cars for us. That's not to say that we don't want to improve them.

As per your statement about the EJ25, you will be surprised at how many people hold onto their RSs when the EJ20 turbo model arrives in the US. Why? High torque. Keep in mind that 165hp is due to a low redline. If the EJ25 had a Integra-ish redline, it would produce around 200hp most likely. So, what does higher torque give you? Power off the line. The Impreza will take almost any car in the world off the line. How to remedy being overtaken later on? Add a turbo, and you have a beast with strong torque throughout the rpm range. Sure, the Impreza is probably not as fun a car to "play" with on the freeway as is a Honda, but that's not why we (hopefully not just I) bought the car we did.

So, all I can say to you is that whenever I step into my garage, a smile appears on my face. I love my car and wouldn't trade it for any Honda in the world. Maybe a Ferrari, or an EVO VI...

Oh, and go to almost any other country outside of North America and ask what type of company Subaru is considered. I'm glad it's still not considered a "sporty" company here in the US. Why? Because I'll be one of the ones to change that perception. I know I've already turned a few heads.

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Old 06-12-2000, 01:08 PM   #9
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fast si: Check my $hit first? When did I ever say that Honda never came out with VTEC first? I don't care that Honda came out with the VTEC first.
Besides I heard that actually Nissan did first. Yes thats right..SR20DE with variable valve-timing...190 hp from the factory!

So where are those 10 sec. civic powered civics I requested?

I don't mind other Hondas that much, (in fact a buddy of mine just got a 99 Prelude) just Civics.

You are probably going over to ClubSi.com right now to rally up some backup...doesn't matter.

Give me a break!!!!
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Old 06-12-2000, 01:16 PM   #10
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This guy's funny......apparently WE have Honduh Envy, but it sure looks like he's posting on our board, repeatedly!!! I can honestly say Ive never even been to a Honduh site. Why would I want to?????? Im not a loser.com, Ive got better things to do. I make my point on the racetrack, not on the WWW.

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Old 06-12-2000, 01:17 PM   #11
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And why is everyone so hard on Fast Si? It's not like he came on here and blabbered about VTEC stickers. He's providing good argumentation. It's the way you handle this that determines whether our club improves or gets worse. If you realize that every once in a while, a reality check is worthwhile, then the club will improve. This is a reality check, please realize. We are not the only ones responsible for "reality." This is how we are often perceived. I think it's important to be aware of it, and how you react to it. Reacting with words like, "go away Fast Si loser" merely shows that you aren't thinking. Please, either give this some serious consideration, or don't post at all. The build up of animosity just detracts from the club's spirit.
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Old 06-12-2000, 01:20 PM   #12
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Can't believe I'm responding to this but here goes:

Ask how many people here traded in a GSR, Si or whatever Honda to buy an Impreza. I'm sure you'll get a few.

Then go to a VTEC board (clubSi) and ask who traded in an Impreza (or any Subie) for a VTEC car (save for the Type R), and I'm sure you won't find any.

Actually why do we even care what this guy thinks, some people just don't get it. Let's keep our little secret to ourselves.
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Old 06-12-2000, 01:21 PM   #13
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Basil- Vtec has nothing to do with you having to shift before me. Gearing and redline are what causes that. The internals of my engine have been constructed at a higher tolerance to allow for this redline, as it is the only way to make 160 with a 1.6 liter.

So what I have to downshift to get real speed at 70. You have to shift into third to get to 60.
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Old 06-12-2000, 01:28 PM   #14
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Ok, my turn to join the lynch mob.

Some of us are taking this way too seriously, IMO. Like Robert said, it's not like fast si came in here & said WHAZZUP HEY YOU GUYS DRIVE SUBARU I GOTAHONDA & I SMOKE YO AZZZZEZ AT DA TRACK or some typical riceboy sh~t. It's just a friendly debate, he has some good points, & so do we. Not everybody prefers the same things in life, so why are we wasting time trying to convince him that our lifestyle is better?

Sounds like you guys care a little too much about how others perceive you.

Si, senor,
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Old 06-12-2000, 01:28 PM   #15
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I don't like Star Trek. I do however like X-files. Isn't that weird? Mulder cracks me up!

Lets, try to move on please.


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Old 06-12-2000, 01:30 PM   #16
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I'm trading in my Mercedes E320 for a 2.5RS this July.

My friend just got a 2000 Civic Si, I drove it a few times since he got to drunk during the last two weekends

I test drove the RS on this really curvey road with lots of hills and I loved it.

As for the 2.5RS vs Si thing, It mainly depends on the driver IMHO
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Old 06-12-2000, 01:31 PM   #17
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Are you ever going to find me a 10 sec. civic powered civic? I am really curious to see one! Seriously! Maybe I am wrong, but i won't know until you show me!

Another note...the JUN Impreza I mentioned earler goes 192 MPH! Don't believe me? read the post in this forum on the JUN Impreza vs. Jun Evo...
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Old 06-12-2000, 01:32 PM   #18
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SCOOBYSHAG-
I was responding to your post in which you said all i had was a del sol motor. I was correcting you in saying that it is, if anything a crx SI-R motor. as for 10sec civics, there have never been any turbo civics, so no 10sec runners for now, although I do know of a guy running 11.17 at 139 with a CRX-with its original motor(modded to hell of course, but still NA). Any NA subies do that? Oh yeah, subaru uses turbos. I forgot. Let me see what times I can find for turbo civics and integras.

Robert-
Couldn't subaru afford to manufacture the ej25 a little better and get that 200 hp? The torque would be almost unaffected, if only slightly moved up the power band. Wait a minute, I got it. The extra time and effort it would take to change the tolerances on the EJ25 to allow for higher revs, would then price the RS right out of it sector. Something you all have to consider is the huge amount of engineering that went in to vtec, and how expensive it was. This is some reason for the sparce interior in the Si.


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Old 06-12-2000, 01:33 PM   #19
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Hey F1.....would you mind sending me some info and maybe price on private messages?
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Old 06-12-2000, 01:33 PM   #20
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Guys, I am quiet disappointed qith your responses to fast si's post. Most of you are cursing, swearing and being very unpolite. In none of his posts was he disrespectful to any of us. He spoke his mind and thats it.

Fast Si, there is no point to continue this argument simply becuase we'll never agree on why one car is better than another. That is why we drive different cars with different heritages. If you say we are Honda Envy, then look at the Si Vs. All forum on ClubSi forum. Can I say Si owners are Everything Envy? No. Both groups are proud of their cars. Thats it.

I know many very nice and intellegent Si owners. I also know truck load of total idiots and buttheads. Same with Impreza or any other car owners. There are always black sheep in the family.

So, to wrap this all up, lets be cool and civil towards each other.


Keep those RPMs above 7000.
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Old 06-12-2000, 01:36 PM   #21
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Ok folks i think weve already covered this and everyone knows that these kind of posts lead us nowhere. These are two very different cars for different purposes, what would bring them together would be that both are excellent in doing what theyre meant to do. Now the people who say that Si's understeer like a pig, or handle like **** or are slow are just as wrong as the ones that say the impreza lacks power or that it handles badly. This arguing will lead us to nowhere. BTW, this guy doesnt represent the feeling of most of us over at clubsi, b/c most of the folks there really like the impreza A LOT. Only a couple of honda loyalists or riceboys have had negative things to say, and, its sad but true, i dont see many sube owners liking honda products as i see honda owners liking subes...

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Old 06-12-2000, 01:38 PM   #22
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Alex and Robert, re-read the first post in this thread. The tone and verbage is what provoked this response-- the aggression starts right there.

There are good ways to start a comparative discussion, and the way this thread started is not one of them.
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Old 06-12-2000, 01:39 PM   #23
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Alex: I would keep my revs above 7000 if my damn rev limiter didn't keep kicking in.
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Old 06-12-2000, 01:46 PM   #24
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Can't everyone see he was just looking to start an arguement? We all bought RS's because they appealled to us; performance wise, appearance wise, whatever. He doesn't appriciate the Subaru like we do, fine. But please stop stooping down to his level with these responses, the best thing to do would have been to ignore him. Just like I ignore every other import "racer" that pulls up beside me and revs. Makes me feel like a guy in a Ferrari, with every Joe Shmoe trying to get me to open it up, but I'm just to classy, plus they know deep down that they would get beat.

Oh and by the way, I don't dislike Honda's, Many of my friends drive some very impressive Honda's. They are very tunable and nimble, they just aren't my thing. And the fact that there are hundreds of compact cars out there with huge chrome wheels, cut springs and over weight stereo systems, the majority of which are Honda's, just makes many people think they are all show & no go.

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I like the Honda S2000, now that is a sweet roadster...
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