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Old 06-12-2000, 01:50 PM   #26
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Fast Si,
Your replies continue to give very little credibilty to your claims of Honda performance. A stock subbie with basic bolt-ons will smoke the vast majority of civic si's out there. Also, you claim to run a crx si-r engine. In Honda speak that suggests to me you are running an early b16 w/a CTR JDM head? That wouldn't make your car an Si, but an Si-R. And I didn't notice what chasis you had dropped that into... Back to the question on the table post some times!!

As for Honda envy, if you watch this board for a bit, you will see, like myself, there are quite a few retired Honda Hybriders who sold their Honda to get a Subbie.
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Old 06-12-2000, 01:55 PM   #27
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Hmm..

Honda has a performance version of every mainstream car huh (not the Honda City) ? So does Subaru. They have the 22B the various WRXs, the Blitzen(legacy), B4(legacy), and the Sti Forester. They also have the Electra one and two.. In terms of motor sports.. Have you been following rally racing lately?

Hey the Si is a great car. I chose the Impreza because it is not a high end machine. It is a torquey low to mid range machine that gives you power wen you want it. The Si is great at high end (from 5500RPM and up) but it has no "go power".

The 1.8T A4 is better? The Audi A4 has a 1.8l engine that needs a turbo to get to 150hp. Plus those things are a tad heavy. The 1.8T is definitely NOT better..

One more thing, (to the general public) why do people decide which car is better by drag racing it? To me, drag racing doesn't prove anything. I'd rather autocross cars to see which is better.

Maybe you have a case of Subaru envy for taking so much time to come here and post this message..

(I hate to jump in the fray so late, but this guy didn't give me any choice)
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Old 06-12-2000, 02:01 PM   #28
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Hello everyone - it's been a while.

I honestly don't believe that I have any "Honda envy" .

If you believe that a Civic Si is better than an Impreza RS, why would you be concerned if anyone thought differently?
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Old 06-12-2000, 02:05 PM   #29
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See guys, after they are done "modifying" there honDUH's, they come over here to see if we get a 45HP gain with those neat little "Type-R" stickers to...........
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Old 06-12-2000, 02:41 PM   #30
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All I can say on this matter is that all the Integra people I have met have been really cool. They ask me about my car and we always talk shop. However at least twice a week civics will pull up on me either at a red light, or on the road, and rev like hell, flash lights, or something else to provoke me. I can say that none of them has done it twice. We have very nice narrow, twisty, mountain roads here in NC and my torque seems to work a heck of a lot better than their revs do. And thanks to our AWD nothing can keep up with us through the mountain passes here.
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Old 06-12-2000, 02:47 PM   #31
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Couldn't subaru afford to manufacture the ej25 a little better and get that 200 hp? The torque would be almost unaffected, if only slightly moved up the power band. Wait a minute, I got it. The extra time and effort it would take to change the tolerances on the EJ25 to allow for higher revs, would then price the RS right out of it sector. Something you all have to consider is the huge amount of engineering that went in to vtec, and how expensive it was. This is some
reason for the sparce interior in the Si.

Fast SI,
The 2.5 was not developed for the RS. Heck, it wasn't even modified for the RS. SOA (Subaru of America) wanted an image car to draw buyers into showrooms. Instead of spending the bucks to get the European turbo motor federalized, they just put in the biggest most powerful motor they had. Subaru in Japan never had intentions of tuning the 2.5 to make 200 plus HP since they already had the turbo motors for that.

It is not a cheap motor, it is not a bad motor, it is not a loose or weak motor it is just tuned to haul heavy Legacy wagons and Foresters too and from the grocery store. (I wonder how an SI motor would do hauling a 3400lb Outback Limited wagon with a family of five and a weekends worth of cr4p.)

Think of the RS as a spiritiual decendant of the American musclecar which was concieved the same way; stick the big motor from the full size model into the lighter midsize model. Like those torque heavy, low revving Poncho/Buick big blocks all the 2.5L needs is some better breathing.

Some of the smart people on this board are working on the breathing problem as we speak. Unlike Honda which is the modern small block Chevy (a dime a dozen) the number of 2.5s is small (Like a 426 Hemi) and the aftermarket is not as big or established. Some members of this board are working very hard to correct that.

It would be unwise to assume that because we have a truck motor that the 2.5 is a POS. Many good race motors started life as truck motors and a 60% displacement advantage is hard to overcome.

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Old 06-12-2000, 02:56 PM   #32
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rao, you're right on. I still don't understand why Fast Si bothered posting (I'm thinking TROLL like a few others). I already expressed my feelings earlier.
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Old 06-12-2000, 03:09 PM   #33
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I don't understand the need for the original post, nor the replies it generated.
I don't need anyone to come and tell how good or bad my car is. I drive it every day and I'm fully aware of its strengths and weaknesses.
I find it very offensive for someone to come to our BB and post in such tone. I open to hear the truth every day of the week just as much as I tell it, but I would not dare to go to the VTEC or SI BBs and post like that. Not because I don't want to be flamed, but because I respect the opinion of others and understand that we are different (as people). If they own a Civic Si, or an Intregra TypeR is because they like the cars and they bring to them just the way we do. If this was not the case, and there is the perfect car to be had, let's all request that all the cars from now on come as the best of the best of the best. If so, be ready to cough $100,000+ for your daily driver.
As I mentioned before, I like performance cars, and with some notable exceptions, most import or domestic cars have nothing to offer me for the amount of money that I'm willing to pay. So, instead of bragging about my car and trying to drill in people's heads how much better my car is that theirs, I just concentrate on making the best of what I have.

In closing, the Si is not better that the Impreza, nor the Impreza is better than the Si. They are only better in the eyes of the owner, and we CANNOT convince the owner otherwise!

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Old 06-12-2000, 03:14 PM   #34
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Different strokes for different folks.
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Old 06-12-2000, 03:14 PM   #35
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Different strokes for different folks.
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Old 06-13-2000, 12:00 AM   #36
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TROLL TROLL TROLL

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Old 06-13-2000, 12:05 AM   #37
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I know I am fairly new to the boards. but please don't post follow ups to this I am sure he is reading and not posting just to watch what he started. I'm also sure that an si driver could never understand what it means to drive a subie.
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Old 06-13-2000, 12:05 AM   #38
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NOT A TROLL NOT A TROLL NOT A TROLL
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Old 06-13-2000, 12:05 AM   #39
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Don't bother replying to this post besides to ask a moderator to remove it.
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Old 06-13-2000, 12:14 AM   #40
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Remove this post and you just prove how much it stung.

brucelee-
No actually I was speaking of a road course. I am in the Northern Virginia area and I will be glad to meet any of you up at Summit Point Raceway for a little lapping. I know from experience and the things I have seen there that I could turn in faster laps than any stock rs. You have too much suspension travel, and your car is too high from the ground. Maybe on a backwoods gravel road somewhere out there near the track (it is West Virginia) you could have a little revenge.

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Old 06-13-2000, 12:20 AM   #41
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So you are saying that you do race autocross in the stock class and you beat Impresa rs all the time? POST SOME RESULTS
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Old 06-13-2000, 12:23 AM   #42
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Nobody needs to lower themselves to the point of arguing or even bothering to have a dispute with once again another civic owner. I bet he believes he can beat a Porsche like in "Gone in Sixty Seconds", too. ..........hmmmmmmmm
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Old 06-13-2000, 12:25 AM   #43
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If you dislike Subarus so much how did you get to this website. Did you do a search for impreza or subaru or did you just type in the URL?
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Old 06-13-2000, 12:25 AM   #44
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wow, this is as bad as someone from this board posting ***** on a Honda board. Why bother starting a flame war? It's not worth it. Everybody feels differently about their cars. Fsat Si hates the RS, and many people on this board hate Hondas. To each his own!
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Old 06-13-2000, 12:27 AM   #45
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Sis and GS-Rs get around 12 to the wheels from an AEM intake, and we don't have to compensate for a now missing intake plenum(Minnam/S-afc-I read the article in SCC, too). No power in exhaust cause we already got pretty large piping for such a small engine. $1099 for a progress coilover suspension and 1.06Gs. More grip than any modified RS I know of, and better handling(less weight, more tossable, more comfortable at the limit).
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Old 06-13-2000, 12:27 AM   #46
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BWHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHA!!!

You know... you're just another rice boy Honda driver. It's all about ego, right?

Well I've got a question for you since you seem to be on the other side of the fence... Why the f**k are all you idiots into drag racing your Hondas? If you have a car with a good weight/hp ratio you should NOT be drag racing it, you should be road racing or even autocrossing it.

And I've got news for you... I come in faster then any Honda there is at autocrosses unless they are in a modified class (ie: engine work, turbo, etc). That is including ITR's and Si's.

BTW, I was doing 90mph rallying down gravel roads in the country last night... what were you doing? Putting the sixteenth coat of wax on your car? Complaining about fingerprints?

P.S. - Yes, you are a troll. A troll is defined as someone that just posts something to get responses so that they are satisfied by getting attention - a truely rice boy thing to do.
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Old 06-13-2000, 12:28 AM   #47
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Excuse me?

I smoke Si's right and left. Probably because the stereotype is correct about honda drivers....and how they SUCK! Wierd, Sport Compact Car got faster times with a 4-door RS then an Si. How?

As far as the handling issue: all I see on this board are reports from local autocrosses and how Imprezas AND Legacys kicked everyone's arse!

The 2.5 is an engineering dissapointment? Maybe that this is why JUN engineering prefers this motor to 2.0 for their Impreza, The fastest Impreza in the world. So I guess your going to say the 2.0 sucks also, right? Ask anyone from overseas and see if they say the same thing.

My Impreza has never knocked once, it is a 2000 and has 13000 miles on it.

Civics are only good for three things:
1.My girlfriend
2.Getting from point A to point B
3.Bigger motor swaps ie. 1.8 GSR ...notice all the "fast" civics are running the bigger 1.8 VTEC Integra motor with a turbo? Gee I wonder why!

Impreza is not the only performance model...have you heard of Legacy B4 RSK or Blitzen? STi versions of the Impreza wagon?
All honda does is put a typeR badge on everything they own and call it a "performance model" So, is there a performance model Odyssey?

Fast Si: show me a civic with a CIVIC motor in it that is fast, like in the 10's and I will be happy. Otherwise go away. Show me an Si in the 10's and I'll be happy, even though it is basically a Del Sol motor.

Until then...go away!




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Old 06-13-2000, 12:28 AM   #48
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Who realy cares? What does it matter? Or is this the way you all amuse yourselves. Both manufaturer's make fun cars to drive, but some people don't like either of them. "To each thier own", I hear people say that all the time. Leave it be!

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Old 06-13-2000, 12:29 AM   #49
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This guy doesn't like Subarus. Good to know. Oh, and he doesn't think my car's a sports car. I think it is. He doesn't.

I love my Scooby. It's fast and fun on the roads I drive each day. Other import 4 bangers can also be fast and fun, and none of them will "smoke" any of the others. Modern cars are amazingly competent pieces of machinery, and I love them all!
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Old 06-13-2000, 12:29 AM   #50
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Strepto: Well put, man. Haven't seen you post here in a while. Is that 'cause you haven't been posting, or is it because I haven't been reading the right threads?

Wow. Can't believe so many people hit "Submit Now" at the same time I did (well, a little before I did since they all beat me).

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