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Old 06-13-2000, 12:29 AM   #51
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Fast SI! obviously you know quite little, I have routinly spanked the **** out of Integra GS-R's and Civic SI's.....Have you ever rode in the vehicles that you preach about. There is no torgue what so ever. And the feel as if they are going to fall apart any second. Civic's are a joke in stock form, even if you boost it, it will blow up anytime, remember there is no substitute for displacement! If I run the same amount of boost as you do in your Honda, I will still have more HP and torque than you! I dont know what you have been smoking, but let me have some so I can say that my RS can spank a 911!

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Old 06-13-2000, 12:29 AM   #52
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Fast Si may be trolling a bit, but he does bring up some valid points.

Except the comment about the Audi 1.8T.

[edit] I've seen people comment about this recently, and the 1.8T is nowhere near as quick as an RS in a straight line; it's heavier, has less horsepower and torque. The 2.8 is a better match but in the end, it's a very close race.

Unfortunately, the Audi suffers from a similarily compliant suspension to a stock RS, and far less road feel. It's more of a touring car than anything else, and it really shows. Yes, much of it can be fixed with aftermarket modifications, but general steering feedback and such is an inherent part of the chassis design, and really, the A4 platform is well known for it's lack of personality and feel. The Sube truly is a better car from a driver's standpoint (and yes, I've driven then 1.8t with the sport suspension, been in a 2.8 quite a few times, and had my chance in a TT as well, just for Audi reference).

"Why do you think all these prelude, integra, si guys complain about the RS?"

Maybe because they are poor drivers and don't know how to extract performance from a FWD car? Maybe because they're sore losers. Who knows, all I can tell you is stock VS stock, the RS is comparable to a GS-R, a Prelude SH, and a Civic Si, but, under perfect circumstances, would most likely give up a few tenths on an autocross track to each of them for various reasons (not the least of which being the crap tires, the overly compliant suspension system, and the relative lack of horsepower).

I don't get it. Why do some car owners have to insist that what they have is better than everything else when it absolutely isn't? The Civic Si is a fine car, but in the end, it's no ITR, and it fails to excel in any one area to the point of making it particularly interesting. It's not really a driver's car in the true sense of the word. It also doesn't have the ultimate potential of an RS...

This is all kind of sad. None of these cars are even very FAST -- just somewhat quick. The Integra Type-R is the fastest, but even it doesn't stand a chance against a real sports car (in the price range, a Gen III RX-7, for example). Pissing contests suck, as do people who fail to look at facts and simply base their opinions on what they'd LIKE to believe and on some sort of emotional attachment (or hatred) for car X or car Y.



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Old 06-13-2000, 12:29 AM   #53
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WTF? Every car has a purpose. No one can say that one single car is perfect for everything. Hondas/Acuras will kick Subarus stock to stock under certain conditions. Subarus will kick Hondas/Acuras stock to stock under certain conditions. It's not worth arguing about. On paper, people can say anything they want and twist statistics to suit anyone. They can also say that they saw their one friend beat someone, therefore the car their friend drove will always beat that other car.

Not the case. I see where this might go. Flat out, Hondas/Acuras have their pros and cons. Subarus have their pros and cons. Personally, I respect both vehicles. This message did hit a nerve. Let's see how many people actually respond calmly instead of just proving his point even further by flaming him...

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Old 06-13-2000, 12:30 AM   #54
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Just FYI, I have a 2000 RS and I don't have to add an S-AFC to my car to get it to run right with an intake.

1.06Gs? I hope you don't mean that you can pull that on the skidpad cause I know for a fact it isn't so. Unless you have significant downforce you can't pull over 1.0G's on a skidpad because that is the laws of physics.
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Old 06-13-2000, 12:32 AM   #55
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There hasn't been a single person who's driven/ridden in my Outback Sport (wagon) that hasn't thought that the "sport" name in it made sense. This includes my brother-in-law who's got an Integra GSR and a coworker with a Jackson Racing Supercharged GSR with some Type-R mods. I let the previously mentioned coworker read your post, and he just laughed. I don't have anything against Hondas or their owners, but I honestly think the "my car is better than your car" bit is a bit tired. Almost every day my coworker and I engage in discussions regarding tuning our cars. He knows I'd blow him away in a quarter mile run, however he DOES have me on the high end. Different cars for different people.

In closing, you must feel pretty insecure about your own vehicle to post about its supposed "superiority" on a Bulletin Board dedicated to people who like to make their "camping cars" hang with, or even dust Honda's "sporty" or "sports" cars.

BTW, my "GSR Coworker" laughed when he saw your online name. I didn't, as I believe it is your right to remain as deluded as you wish.
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Old 06-13-2000, 12:32 AM   #56
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I like subarus, just not the one you guys have. Why should I? It is slow, and it doesn't handle very well. It looks good, but not when you consider that every body tack-on is useless in the US. even that wing. Your speedo goes to 120, for god sakes! what would you ever need that much wing for?
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Old 06-13-2000, 12:35 AM   #57
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Honda will be the first to admit that they are engine builders first and foremost. They only build cars and motorcycles to sell their engines. I will be the first to admit that they build damn good motors, and as a former Honda / Acura owner, I can tell you that their cars are great FWD cars. I have not found a Honda or Acura that puts a smile on my face like my Suby 2.2 RS Turbo does..... Not EVEN the NSX....
Hondas are great cars for the masses.
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In other words; Honda’s are like ********, everyone’s got one, and most of em stinks…..Except for mine and yours of course
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Old 06-13-2000, 12:36 AM   #58
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Fast Si when are you going to post your Autox times that show you spanking Impresa rs in the stock class??? LOL

sorry autox means auto-cross as in the ameteur racing sponsored by scca

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Old 06-13-2000, 12:36 AM   #59
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Even more points to crush...

FYI, all my vents and scoops are perfectly functional. Want me to prove it? Come on up and I'll show you.

Oh and my cold air intake cost me approx. nothing, how about yours?

The wing is also a styling thing, though it does help in performance above 120mph (of which I have traveled at several times).

BTW, the reason you think it is slow is probably because it was driven by a Honda driver when you rode in it. Ride with a real driver of an RS and you'll be surprised.
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Old 06-13-2000, 12:37 AM   #60
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8Complex: You know something, man? You post too much. Go get a real job that eats up more of your time.
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Old 06-13-2000, 12:38 AM   #61
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Ok, thats it... time to lock this thread. Now if I only could... LOL
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Old 06-13-2000, 12:38 AM   #62
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Ryouga, hey man... I'm not even at work! Took the day off to get some service done and get my tires on.
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Old 06-13-2000, 12:40 AM   #63
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Old 06-13-2000, 12:40 AM   #64
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Old 06-13-2000, 12:41 AM   #65
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Now I've gotten suspicious...do you own a real Civic SI or a DX with "VTEC" badges on it? There's been much more talk about riced-out Hondas in recent memory than competitive ones...did that somehow offend you? Are you somehow hoping to garner an Impreza hood scoop and/or wing for your car? Let me assure you, the Type-R badges yield 10HP more performance than ANY Impreza part...

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Old 06-13-2000, 12:43 AM   #66
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Fast SI

This guy is an idiot, I have had many cars, I have driven many exotics. But for the money, the RS is worth it. It does everything a $20,000.00 car should do plus some! Honda's, Acura's, they are still economy cars, they are not sports cars. Why are you trying to put them into a league that they don't belong? and then you go one step forward and try to view the RS from that Sports Car world! You have a vivid imagination! By the way bring your piece of crap down to Florida, I will run you any time, we will see wich econo wins! Or should I run my Viper against you, if you want to be viewed in that world of Sports Cars?

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Old 06-13-2000, 12:44 AM   #67
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if you think the "my car is better than your car" is worn out then how about telling most of you I Club brethren to take it easy on the "Honduh" comments? Its a two way street, buddy.

SCOOBYSHAG-

If you knew your ****, then you would know that my "del sol" engine was actually the first VTEC engine sold in the world. It came in the CRX Si-R.

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The reason the 1.8t A4 feels soft is because Germans approach handling a little differently than the japanese. The germans usually use softer spring rates and softer shocks combined with very large roll bars.


I have never seen an RS time 0-60 of less than 7.9. Most Si tests put it at 7.2-7.4.
Most GS-Rs come in around 7.1-7.3. The ITR has been tested at 6.7. Yeah, Yeah, I know all about the RS being a handling car, not a drag car, but a lot of the above posts seem to prove that the majority of RS owners think differently.
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Old 06-13-2000, 12:45 AM   #68
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I wasnt going to post here but fast si is out of line on this one.. guess what fast si I had a 1999 civic si with 5 grand of mods in it and I track raced it and I live in northern VA (which car is yours?) Anyway.. the SI was nothing but a drag car.. I tried autoxing it, I tried running it at summit point.. etc.. skid pad numbers dont mean crap when the car understeers like a stuffed pig.. My RS with minimal mods handled a hundred times better than my si with tokicos and springs.. the RS also pulls better up top.. and just for your knowledge the RS has been proven faster stock (check out sport compact car).. I got rid of the SI becasue the sube handled better and had more potentail and did not get every 16 year old riceboy like you trying to run me down.. think before you speak.. or at least get your facts straight.. I am the first person on this board to defend the SI when the other members get out of line.. but posting what you did was stupid.. also.. Im a member of the club SI board.. why dont you post back there.. this kind of crap belongs with the other ricers..

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Old 06-13-2000, 12:46 AM   #69
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I am going to have to agree with Strepto and Eugenekid. Everyone thinks their car is the most awesome ad that is cool. Individuality is good. I love all cars (except Ford) and was going to get an Si until I started seeing that everyone else had Civics. That is one of the main reasons I got a Subaru. Civics do have potential, though. Just leave this thread alone.
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Old 06-13-2000, 12:49 AM   #70
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1.06Gs? I hope you don't mean that you can pull that on the skidpad cause I know for a fact it isn't so. Unless you have significant downforce you can't pull over 1.0G's on a skidpad because that is the laws of physics.
You are wrong here 8Complex. Cars can easily reach over 1G lateral acceleration without effects. The coefficient of friction of high performance tires can be greater than 1.5!

But I'm adding to this idiot's illegitimate post.
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Old 06-13-2000, 12:49 AM   #71
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"Greg I-
The reason the 1.8t A4 feels soft is because Germans approach handling a little differently than the japanese. The germans usually use softer spring rates and softer shocks combined with very large roll bars."

I was actually going to say something about that. What I'm referring to is body roll, and reaction to inputs. I actually really like a typical German suspension (my friend's 2000 GTI VR6 handles nicely). The A4 is far too watered down for my tastes.

Just so you know, I owned both an RS and an ITR, and I'm currently looking at an RX-7 because I want something that really IS fast . The ITR will hit 60mph in 6.2 once properly broken in and if driven right.

You gotta remember where you're posting and obviously some people here will be as blindingly rabid about sticking up for the RS as people on ClubSi will about your car.

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Old 06-13-2000, 12:49 AM   #72
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Fast Si where are those pesky autocross times??? Or are you ignoring my string because you have no defense? hmmm?
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Hey F1 ......you really got a Viper?
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Old 06-13-2000, 12:55 AM   #74
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I am not ignoring your string, I just can't answer them all at once. First of all, I don't autocross. Like drag racing, it is over too fast for my tastes. Second, how would an autocross time from the autox's in my area possibly compare to yours? Different course, and conditions.

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How can you call the A4 watered down compared to a GTI? the GTI is the epitomy of watered down. The GTI used to be a good car, and there are even racing cups devoted to the early 80's models, but it has long since went limp. It is now a fat pig who, as a hatchback, still weighs more than most sport compact cars on the road. Also, no quattro. Blegh!
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