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Old 07-02-2000, 04:14 AM   #1
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Wink Radar & Laser detectors/ jammers

What is the best detector?
What is the best jammer? Do they work?
Where can I get a rear liscence plate cover which makes the number unvisible to speed cameras?
Thanks for your help.
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Old 07-02-2000, 04:31 AM   #2
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Best Detector for both Radar and Laser is the Valentine One. Expensive, but damned good. Don't know much about the other stuff though...

Hmmm... too bad the Air Force couldn't loose an ECM Pod in my backyard. Think they would miss it?

Oh, and you should see what the Blackhawk uses for laser defense. It looks like a disco ball mounted aft of the main rotor shaft between the engine exhaust. It actually disperses the beam into a bunch of fragments instead of a single beam. Hmmm... disco balls!

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Old 07-02-2000, 04:47 AM   #3
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You can got to http://www.redlineauto.com for the liscense plate cover(which is 50 state legal) that will protect your plate number from the "photocops" or speed cameras. And yes, Valentine One is the best radar detector out there. It costs about 4 times more than your usual radar detector, but your usual radar detector is a peice of junk. When you go to purchase one, remember what Grandpa told you, you get what you pay for and no more. This is especially true in the radar detector industry.

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Old 07-02-2000, 06:43 AM   #4
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50 state legal? not in NJ my friends. where ANY form of obstruction/modifaction on the plate is a violation. can this be interpreted to mean a dealer's frame? yes, but i don't know anyone who uses it as PC. however, i work with plenty of guys that will use any sort of plate cover (like those ugly tinted plastic ones) as PC. i'm only speaking for NJ.

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Old 07-02-2000, 08:43 AM   #5
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The radar jammers are all BS, at best (if they work) they only marginally reduce the range of the radar gun.

FACT: to properly jam a police sized radar gun and prevent burnthrough you would need a jammer the size of an F-15 nose cone.

This simply will not fit on your car and your car wouln't produce the power to run it anyway.

Laslty I have a friend who used to do some very interesting reasearch for Lockheed Martin (much of it so interesting he can't talk about it) in the area of Radar and Sonar systems, so I'm not spouting crap here.

As for the Laser jammer, I'm not as knowledgable, but I hear that a few of them have some effect, and it does help to drive with your lights on, as that reduces the range of the laser gun.

Personaly I'm a V1 owner, and that is the best there is. Why? information is power, and the V1 provides the most information.
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Old 07-02-2000, 01:05 PM   #6
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As far as those liscence palte covers go, they supposedly don't work. When I was living in Germany ( they only use photo radar) there was this documentary on the different ways people were trying to outsmart the cops. Matte spray on the liscence plate, cd's hangin from the rear view mirror, the plastic covers, etc. Basically the police only had to adjust the contrast on the print in photoshop and the original blurry photo came out absolutely legible. It was quite a shock because you really could barely see anything in the original. Of course that depends on how diligent the cops using photo radar are in your area. they also used amazing video surveillance as well. And when you get pulled over(which we did) you get to watch it; it has your current speed and everything. Unfortunately we couldn't get a copy of the footage(I asked). Scary though. Could not even tell it was a cop car and the video was 360 degree rotating coverage. I t showed us coming from behind and then passing, and then from behind us with the blue lights flashing. Oops.
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Old 07-02-2000, 02:41 PM   #7
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Had a Uniden for 1 week, then bit the bullet and got a V!, never looked back, it has saved me maybe 4 times already so worth every penny. The directional feature is the best even, you can actually see where the radar is coming from. Took it on a couple of LA - SF runs up the 5. Wow, you can see those cops on the V1 for about 30secs before you actually pass them.

Of course it's no use on the local LA freeways though, cause they just don't use radar that much Keeps me honest on side streets though!
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Old 07-02-2000, 08:46 PM   #8
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Arnie, I saw a segment on the local news a few months ago which showed how the police department defeats the license plate covers, in the same manner you described. They had someone with a computer reverse the color palette of the obscured license plate, using some image viewing program. The plate number appeared, clear as day.
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Old 07-03-2000, 12:46 AM   #9
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I agree that you'd have a hard time cranking out enough power to actually jam a radar gun. There's a reason you only see "jammers" advertised in cheap ads in the back of car magazines - they're crap. I don't know about the F-15 nosecone thing, that's seems a bit much to jam a radar system that will fit in the palm of your hand, but I don't know the science of all that.

Everything I've read/heard in the past few years says that the V1 is the bomb. One of these days I'll invest in one. For now, I rely on the military ID and one of my brother's police patches in the glove box. One or the other works every time.

Oh, and I think that thing on the tail boom of a Blawkhawk is to confuse the IR signature, not to confuse lasers. That's why it is positioned right between the two hottest spots on the aircraft - the engine exhaust nozzles.

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Old 07-03-2000, 03:13 AM   #10
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Valentine 1 is the best radar detector, ignoring price. It has won numerous shoot outs over the past several years.

I would pass on the laser unless you live in a state with cops using lasers.

There is ONE radar jammer that actualy works. Its made by some fellow in the mid West. It comes in kit form (almost complete except for a single diode) for legal reasons and costs several thousands of dollar, about $3.5k. It uses either an escort or v1 as the trigger and can masquerade your "signature." Unfortunately its expensive, works on only 1 band, is somewhat bulky, is very highpowered and difficult to find.
If anyone is interested, I can try to dig up the article that reviewed this device. I believe it was Automobile from 1996 or so. A couple of the article writers actually used this gadget against DC cops and got away without a ticket ... the first 2 times they tried it.

Lazer covers are stupid, blatant and more than likely illegal in 50 states. You cannot cover/manipulate a plate...just ready your state vehicle code.


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Old 07-03-2000, 03:47 AM   #11
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Regarding best detector:
No Clue...

Regarding the previous comments about lights effecting Laser Guns:
Very True, I don't recall the magazine that did it, about a year and a half ago they ran various vehichles against various guns... The outcome the cars with more lights closer to the center seemed to cause errors in the processors of even the BEST Laser guns... The tested again with an extra police flood type light taped to the center of the bumber and it threw the gun off so bad the cops couldn't get a steady reading...

Just 2 Lincolns...
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Old 07-03-2000, 06:22 PM   #12
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Here's an interesting tidbit:

While waiting for one of my classes @ college, I decided to do some research about radar jamming and laser jamming @ my college's library. Basically what I found was this:

The FCC is the overall authority over RADAR in the US. That's because RADAR uses radio frequency waves to bounce them off your car to get your speed. As Such, if you've ever looked at a cordless phone, cell phone anything that transmits using radio waves, they must conform to the FCC's code by not being able to cause "Harmful Disruption". Hence why it is so highly illegal (not to mention hard to market) to build radar jammers. HOWEVER:

The FDA (Fed. Drug Admin.) has the authority over lasers. They regulate lasers used for surgury and etc. They DO NOT have any regulation for laser jammers at this time. Hence the approximately dozen or so companies out there that do market laser jammers. As far as I can tell at this point in time, laser jammers have NOT been banned from use in any US state as of yet. (Any cops on here know otherwise???) Their results are less than extraordinary tho: basically they provide enough time for you to react, so you best be slow your butt down when your laser detector goes off (and if you have a laser jammer!) before they can reacquire you with their laser gun. Also most laser jammers are mounted by your front plate & or rear one. Of course for those of us that ONLY use a rear plate, means less $$$ to spend on the laser jammers....

Just my two cents worth as to why there's more laser jammers than radar ones...

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Old 07-03-2000, 07:45 PM   #13
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If you get the V-1 (which is the best) or any other detector, just remember, if the cops in your area use lasers, your totally ****ed! By the time the V-1 picks up on a laser, guess what? You've been caught or are a spilt second before getting caught.

The only way to go against laser is to get a jammer, which if not illegal, will be very soon.

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Old 07-03-2000, 09:13 PM   #14
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Good laser jammers are very effective. In fact, one guy on this board posted a story where he got hassled BIG time by a pissed off cop! Just do a search and you should find it.

My 2 cents,
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Old 07-03-2000, 09:16 PM   #15
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M8's comments are exactly those that I'd post, PA has the exact same statute. Anything covering the plate is illegal.

My father got stopped in either GA or AL, don't remember which, for the dealer frame advertisement on his plate. Funny, he takes it off, every time he goes for service, the dealer puts a new one on!
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