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Old 12-10-2003, 05:37 PM   #1
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Default Since the BAJA has a similar front end as the legacy would the BAJA be revised later?

Anyone mind doing a photoshop of a new 05 legacy/baja. Would be interesting to see.
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Old 12-10-2003, 08:33 PM   #2
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It will be revised if it doesn't get the axe really soon. Although sales got a slight bump just recently.
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Old 12-10-2003, 11:36 PM   #3
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If they continue it they need to build it off of the new 7 pax platform, like Honda is going to do with the new Pilot truck

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Old 12-11-2003, 01:00 AM   #4
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I've been saying that for months. So I'd have to say: ABSOLUTELY -mo-! But it wouldn't be a Baja then.
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Old 12-11-2003, 02:21 AM   #5
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Here's a new Baja, based on the new Outback (keeping Outback-style cladding instead of the current Baja cladding).

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Old 12-11-2003, 09:02 AM   #6
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Old 12-11-2003, 09:06 AM   #7
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But it wouldn't be a Baja then.
The Outback can be based on two different cars...why not the Baja?


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Old 12-11-2003, 09:12 AM   #8
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Good job, phoenix96! I must say you are a pretty good chopper. It'll probably alright afterward, but it looks a little bit goofier than currnet Baja. But I thought current one looked pretty goofy at first, so what do I know... I think the cladding at the rear should be a straight line from wheel arch, chop the bottom half of the tail lamp (like the current one), that should make it look a bit better? Oh, and don't forget the hole in the hood!

Another thing to consider is to think like Zappman - since one of the fist project he said he was going to do was to "revitalize North American market, especially Baja line" back in Feb or so. What would he do with this one?
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Old 12-11-2003, 09:54 AM   #9
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Good job, phoenix96! I must say you are a pretty good chopper. It'll probably alright afterward, but it looks a little bit goofier than currnet Baja. But I thought current one looked pretty goofy at first, so what do I know... I think the cladding at the rear should be a straight line from wheel arch, chop the bottom half of the tail lamp (like the current one), that should make it look a bit better? Oh, and don't forget the hole in the hood!

Another thing to consider is to think like Zappman - since one of the fist project he said he was going to do was to "revitalize North American market, especially Baja line" back in Feb or so. What would he do with this one?


This looks more similar to the current Baja I think.
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Old 12-11-2003, 10:05 AM   #10
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Old 12-11-2003, 10:22 AM   #11
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Wow, you are fast! How about a turbo and black body?
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Old 12-11-2003, 11:58 AM   #12
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They should base the Baja styling off the forester ... it looks more 'truckey' then the legacy which is decidedly 'car-ey'

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Old 12-11-2003, 12:18 PM   #13
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I also think the Baja is too car-looking which isn't a general good feature for selling that is sort of truck-like. The Forester would probably make for a better look.

On the BOS comment, that's why it is listed as an Impreza Outback Sport. Yeah, one big oxymoron. I still don't think it should be called the same thing if using a different chassis though.
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Old 12-12-2003, 05:25 AM   #14
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Old 12-12-2003, 09:26 AM   #15
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I don't think there is anything wrong with offering a completely redesigned baja off of a different chassis. Most people won't think twice about it.

If you really want one built off of the new legacy platform than use the turbo and call it the Baja Sport, and make the regular Baja built off of the new 7 pax platform with the H6.

cuz the subaru lineup isn't confusing enough already

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Old 12-12-2003, 10:16 AM   #16
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Nice job phoenix....

The chop actually looks better than the current model, IMHO.
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Old 12-12-2003, 10:40 AM   #17
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Default Interesting areticle in the current issue of Truck Trend

It states that the mini-pickup market is fast disappearing. The next generation of (so-called) mini pickups will actually be larger mid-sized trucks, because that's what the market wants. The next Dakota will be larger, as will the next Tacoma and Frontier, and most likely the Ford ranger too. Already the new Chevy/GMC S-10 replacements reflect this.

They also mention that future small pickups may be based on car platforms (like the Baja). They mentioned the Oz Holden Uses, as an example. So, that could be good news for Subaru, if they say on the Outback platform.

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Old 12-12-2003, 01:02 PM   #18
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I have to disagree with Truck Trend. You're right, the compact truck distinction is almost gone. Ten years ago there was 1 midsized truck (the Dakota) and a bunch of compact trucks (Explorer, S10 etc.). Today, like you said, most companies have abandoned their compact trucks for mid-sized ones.

Two of my neighbors have 4 door, midsized trucks (a frontier crew-cab and an Explorer sport track) They like them because they provide a good mix of interior, rear seat passenger room, and a bed big enough for them. The problem with the Baja (and most likely any truck based off of the outback) is that it does neither well.

So, instead of the future of small pickups being based on car platforms, I would contend that, in America, there is NO future for small pickups.

Just my $.02, take it or leave it.

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Old 12-12-2003, 01:18 PM   #19
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Just repeating what Truck Trend stated...

They do say the small truck market is pretty much gone. All I'm saying is that if the Baja is the only one left, surely there will be some customers for it.

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Old 12-12-2003, 02:23 PM   #20
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I have to disagree with you there Bob. You're right, the compact truck distinction is almost gone. Ten years ago there was 1 midsized truck (the Dakota) and a bunch of compact trucks (Explorer, S10 etc.). Today, like you said, most companies have abandoned their compact trucks for mid-sized ones.

Two of my neighbors have 4 door, midsized trucks (a frontier crew-cab and an Explorer sport track) They like them because they provide a good mix of interior, rear seat passenger room, and a bed big enough for them. The problem with the Baja (and most likely any truck based off of the outback) is that it does neither well.

So, instead of the future of small pickups being based on car platforms, I would contend that there is NO future for small pickups.

Just my $.02, take it or leave it.

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Interesting opinion, but you should probably warrent it with a statement like ...in America. If you were to visit say, South Africa, you might change your mind. Tons of car based mini-pickups, and all of them seem quite useful.
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Old 12-12-2003, 04:27 PM   #21
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Bob: My bad, didn't read your post carefully enough, thought you agreed with them. Edited my post.

Brandon: Good point, statement added. But isn't the Baja only offered in America? Maybe Subaru should start shipping some of our leftover Baja's to areas of the world that will buy them.

Sorry, I seem to be taking up a lot of the space on this thread. I'm just a little passionate about this. If the Baja sat 5 I would have one in my driveway

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Old 12-12-2003, 05:09 PM   #22
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I have said for quite a while that I think the baja would be best if it mirrored the more boxy truck looks of the Forester. They already offer the same engines, and they are both the most "truck-like" of the Subaru range. it seems to me that it it would be fitting for the next styling of both to be more truck-like, and it would allow the Baja to keep a lower price point as the Legacy possibly moves up a bit in price as time goes on.
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Old 12-12-2003, 07:09 PM   #23
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BTW, I drove a new gray/silver Baja turbo automatic today!

Yes, they're starting to arrive! The dealer in Silver Spring, MD got two this morning, a 5-speed and a automatic. The 5-speed was sold and gone by the time I got there this late afternoon; certainly a good sign for the future.

In a nutshell: Very impressive! Considering the primary audience (Harry & Harriet homeowner), it's a very good solution. Will it knock you over with power? Not from a standstill, but once moving it does scoot.

This was also the first Subie 4EAT SportShift that I've driven, and it too was very good. I just wished it were a 5EAT, and not a 4EAT. Maybe next year... I also want to try the 5-speed manual when I get a chance.

I also noticed it has the "cruise set" light so that it only goes on when it is engaged. Thank you Subaru. This Baja had the leather seat package, which also comes with heated seats.

Even with all these improvements, I can't help but want to see this applied to the next-generation Baja, be it built off the new Outback platform or the new upcoming 7-passenger crossover platform.

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Old 12-13-2003, 01:38 PM   #24
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Bob, you're a nut! Did you drive the 40 min just to test drive the Baja Turbo, when you could have waited for them to come into Russel Subaru

But, seriously, thanks for the report.

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I'm putting down my deposit, I'm putting down my deposit... 2 bids, and whoever gives me the car with lower price gets my business!
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