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Old 12-11-2003, 10:42 AM   #1
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Thanks for all your previous help everyone.

Well, after a lot of research I've decided I really like Takamine. They had a much more balanced sound than some of the other brands I looked at.

I'm looking at the models GS-330S and 530-S.

The also had some Ovations. Has anyone had any experience with these guitars with the molded backs? The model in my price range is the Celebrity CC-057.

Also, what do you guys think of acoustic/electrics?
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Old 12-11-2003, 10:45 AM   #2
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I had an ovation sounded incredible. I really liked it.
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Old 12-11-2003, 10:46 AM   #3
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What do you mean by acoustic/electric? Any guitar using peizo pickups is going to sound like total ass if you want a good "acoustic" tone, IMO. But for live performances, your options are pretty limited. The best thing to do is mic an acoustic guitar, but that poses a lot of problems in a live situation. Don't know if there are any prefab kits, but I know that some people have used internal mics with much better success.
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Old 12-11-2003, 10:49 AM   #4
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I played an ovation for years. Indestructable. The electronics in it were ahead of their time; I actually could play it very loud though an overdriven 70s Marshall half stack.

While other companies have caught up on the electronics, Ovations are certainly worth considering. Just depends on which one it feels best and sounds right.

Get a full-size acoustic, but be sure to go ahead and get one with electronics in it. They're too common these days, and its very likely that you'll want to plug in someday down the road. Trying to mic an acoustic live, or add stuff, is a royal PIA best suited for those with the time and the money.
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Old 12-11-2003, 10:49 AM   #5
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did you play the Ovation for more than a few chords? i don't like them because they slide off my leg while i am playing them. and no, i would never consider a strap for an acoustic.

as for elec/acoustic - i am not a fan of the sound. it kinda defeats the whole purpose of being unplugged. i say mic it if you need to.
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Old 12-11-2003, 10:50 AM   #6
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Not much to offer here, except that I currently have a Takamine G240 and I love it. It was my first acoustic, and I've been really happy with it. Great price/performance balance, great deep tone.

I got a separate pickup (one that fits in the sound hole), and that works fine, if not a little annoying to deal with the cable hanging over the front of the guitar. Sounds great though.
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Old 12-11-2003, 10:52 AM   #7
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Oh, and it does take some time to get used to the rounded back. But once you get used to it, its actually kind of comfortable, and there are no rigtht angles and you can kind of "hug" the guitar when you're sitting down.

EDIT: trying to mic at loud volumes with a full band is very difficult. Many of the insert-in-the-hol- pickups dont handle loud volumes well either.

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Old 12-11-2003, 10:55 AM   #8
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Ovation - I've had one for over 10 yrs. I love it. Indestructable. But I wouldn't use it to play out somewhere. The tone sounds muted in comparison to most other acoustics.

If you can spare the $$$........get a Taylor

If you go with a regular acoustic, I would suggest a Dean Markley acoustic pickup that fits in the sound hole.

As with any acoustic/electric......to get a good sound you will need an acoustic amp. Makes a world of difference.

Takamines are good. I have one of their classicals and one of their 12 strings. Good quality for the $.
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Anyone getting serious about live acoustic work, check this out:

http://www.kksound.com/acousticguitar.html

EDIT: For what it's worth, the peizo systems that come in most acoustic/electrics will get you by. I'm just sort of venting. Getting good acoustic tone is sort of the Holy Grail of live sound. So, don't stress out about it if you're not at a point where you find something wrong with the tone. Just be aware that there is a big difference between how the guitar sounds in a room, and how it's going to sound coming out of the jack.
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What do you mean by acoustic/electric? Any guitar using peizo pickups is going to sound like total ass if you want a good "acoustic" tone, IMO. But for live performances, your options are pretty limited.
The best thing IMO is the new Taylors 5series and up. It has the expression system, and sounds great when payed very loud, very rarely get feedback, plus, it sounds just like the guitars natual sound. No pezio "quack" at all.

I had an Ovation Balladeer for 5 or so year, but just got tired of it.
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Old 12-11-2003, 11:10 AM   #11
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Just be aware that there is a big difference between how the guitar sounds in a room, and how it's going to sound coming out of the jack.
words of wisdom right there!!!!!!!!
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Old 12-11-2003, 11:14 AM   #12
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The best thing IMO is my Taylor. It has the expression system, and sounds great when payed very loud, very rarely get feedback, plus, it sounds just like the guitars natual sound. No pezio "quack" at all.
No offense, but I'll believe it when I hear it.
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No offense, but I'll believe it when I hear it.
My buddy has one. While that may be a slight bit of an overstatement, the sound is pretty damn good.
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Old 12-11-2003, 11:27 AM   #14
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No offense, but I'll believe it when I hear it.
Go to any store with a Taylor that has an ES, plug it into a PA, or acousic amp, and you'll be blown away.

This summer, I was back home and went to my old church, plugged it into the sound system, had it drouning out everything with no feedback, and crystal clear and great natual sound.

<----- Always has been weary of elecric/acoustics and how they sound plugged in.
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Old 12-11-2003, 11:33 AM   #15
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Go to any store with a Taylor that has an ES, plug it into a PA, or acousic amp, and you'll be blown away.
You've piqued my interest. Next time at GC I'll check it out!
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You've piqued my interest. Next time at GC I'll check it out!
Try it in the pro audio area, on a nice PA.
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Old 12-11-2003, 02:07 PM   #17
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Well i mean if you want the best acoustic tone get a martin.

But if you want something affordable that can be played plugged or unplugged and is confortable, ovations are great. And considering the body size yes, i do think they sound great.
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