Here we go with the offer..... (WRX Group Buy)

subaruwrx · 01-16-2001, 02:09 PM

ill sign up... Ill cancel my deposit at Irvine...
--Adam

vladgur · 01-16-2001, 02:33 PM

How do I sign up for the group buy and what would the deposit be?

christoph1371 · 01-16-2001, 02:43 PM

If i can be assured a yellow wrx i'll throw a deposit down. BTW how much would i have to part with?

bobski · 01-16-2001, 02:45 PM

I think that's the best deal so far. Is there a minimum for the GB?

Bob

shawrf1 · 01-16-2001, 02:58 PM

subaruwrx: don't cancel your deposit _anywhere_ until after your purchase is finalized... especially if it's refundable! That way, you can be a competitive shopper when it comes time to haggle prices if necessary...

Also, you never know if the dealer's going to get the car immediately or 6 months down the road...

-Robert

Necromancer · 01-16-2001, 04:06 PM

Philip, great work and thank you for contacting SC Subaru. I'm a bit confused though -- why couldn't he agree to some amount below MSRP as with the Diablo deal? Being that we know what MSRP is, and we don't know what invoice is, do you think it would be safer to go with a delta off MSRP?

Anyway, thanks again!

Philip · 01-16-2001, 04:36 PM

Let me try to answer all the questions at once......

subaruwrx: I would recommend (as someone already has) to keep your deposit there and start it at the santa cruz (that is if you are able to). Once invoice price is released, I bet the dealers will think differently about selling for MSRP.

vladgur: the contact info was added to my original post. Deposite is $500, fully refunable.

christoph1371: I have no 100% idea on how much the total will be, but the deposit is $500. On color choices, you would have to speak directly to the dealer to see what he has to say about it.

bobski: I have been talking to him about the Diablo deal, so I am assuming he is making this deal with the same "requirements", so I would say 5 minimum.

Necromancer: I really don't know why any dealer would throw deals out at all right now, since their is no invoice value. But the best way on the dealer's part is to go by how much more than invoice, that way they would know how much "profit" to expect. I don't see this as a bad thing. But I do find stating the amount below MSRP risky for the dealer, since they don't know how much invoice is, they could end up dropping the price below invoice before, and because of this risk, it sounds very iffy to me.

Going off MSRP could end up being better for us, if the invoice ended up being more than we expect. Personally thou, hearing some dealer quote a price based off MSRP doesn't give me much faith on that dealer. I am actually glad the Santa Cruz dealer choice to state it how he did.

Anymore questions?

Philip

christoph1371 · 01-16-2001, 04:40 PM

ok, i understand about the invoice thing. does package deals (option packages). or should i just speak with your contact at santa cruz. name and ph# please.
thanks
chris

Philip · 01-16-2001, 04:53 PM

I still haven't seen anyone give prices on the options, and the dealer is stating they don't have them yet either. But you are able to give the list of options you want, and they should keep it handy in your "record".

The contact is Sandy Charnay (831) 420-1500

Philip

Necromancer · 01-16-2001, 05:05 PM

Well said Philip; in any case I'm confident we are not going to get screwed. I'm sure Santa Cruz Subaru has seen their numbers go up due to our evangelism and they are not about to jeopardize their street cred.

Sandy told me to just give em a credit card number, so that's what I did. FAX'd the stuff over to him a minute ago and am waiting for confirmation.

Nice job folks, I hope we do eventually get our cars from Santa Cruz. Imagine that first drive up highway 17!! (okay, maybe it won't be all that great because of break-in, hehe)

Necromancer · 01-16-2001, 05:05 PM

FYI, his name is Sandy Charney, with an 'e'.

Necromancer · 01-16-2001, 05:07 PM

[edit, there was a forum for this]

[This message has been edited by Necromancer (edited January 16, 2001).]

bobski · 01-16-2001, 06:48 PM

I just faxed information over to them also.

FYI, Sandy indicated that they are now requiring a deposit of $1000 for this deal.

Philip · 01-17-2001, 01:59 AM

I spoke to Sandy at Santa Cruz, he first stated $1000 above invoice, but I mentioned that this might end up being the same deal (since its almost the majority that believe it will be 22k for invoice). SO, he brought it down to $750 over invoice.

IF (and thats a BIG IF) the invoice is 22k, that would bring it to a total around $22,750.

Now that would be a $1,250 savings over MSRP.

So what do you all think?
Philip

[edit] Just thought I should add the phone number and contact. (831) 420-1500 Sandy Charnay [edit]

[This message has been edited by Philip (edited January 16, 2001).]

ndmorespd · 01-17-2001, 02:52 AM

Ok so I tried to mention it in the other post but I got almost NO response.

We are all poking our contacts and seeing what we can find. I have NO clue what I can get from Roseville, but:
1) I have family there, hopefully willing to deal, if anyone can he can I'll bet my Track Day ticket on that (not that his will be better, only that he can deal...).
2) I know they aren't the best dealership around (one of the worst at times) but you can have your servicing done elsewhere, I thought we were just looking for the best deal outright...
3) Anyone willing to drive to Sac let me know, when I reach 5 confirmed I'll make an offer and se if they can beat Santa Cruz... If I can reach more than that I'll throw it to him and see if I can reach less than the current best of $750 over invoice.

Mike
#25

(Sorry I am in Sac (as you can see) can smoeone find out from Santa Cruz what the deal is with ordering colors and options... Will they for this deal? I am ONLY buying a WRX this early if I can have MY choice.)

yuletak · 01-17-2001, 11:56 PM

HKBeef,

I talked to Sandy Charnay over at Santa Cruz earlier today and asked him various questions about the cars he'll be getting. The most revealing bit of info he told me was that he's expecting about 9 cars. As for colors and options and all that, we'll just have to wait since he doesn't have much info yet. If I recall, he also said he'll have more info by next week. So you might want to check back with him. He sounds like a real nice guy, took time to answer my questions, tho he did seem to want to get off the phone. Maybe it was a long day?

Anyways, do u guys want to pick up ur cars at the same time? We can have an entourage leaving the dealership.

Cuppster · 01-18-2001, 12:24 AM

Okay, I'm planning to call Sandy tomorrow and talk about a deal, but how will this work? If I like everything he says and decide to buy there, and give him a down payment, is the deal (i + $750) contingent on at least 4 others doing the same? And if that doesn't happen, does my deal go south? Should a group of us coordinate efforts to send money all at once?

Aargh, I'm getting confused! Life was so much simpler when there was only MSRP.

HongKongBeef · 01-18-2001, 01:43 AM

Ndmorespd: Like i mentioned in the other thread, i am definately interested. But before I say "I'm in" i'd like to know what kind of price/colors/options/time we actually get the cars you can get.

vladgur · 01-18-2001, 02:19 PM

Well since theyre only getting 9 cars not everyone will be getting theirs soon. On other hand if any of you get $750 over invoice offer in writing from them, please scan it and post it here so we'd be able to try and match it elsewhere

HongKongBeef · 01-18-2001, 02:42 PM

I am DEFINATELY down with this deal. There is a HUGE problem for me though. There is no way I can have the money yet. I want to do a FAT down payment, and right now I have nothing. (had to pay off credit card bills, & trip to Hong Kong/China 2 weeks ago killed me financially) There is no way I can get a WRX before July/August/September.. Around then.. Can a group Buy stretch out this long?

bobski · 01-18-2001, 02:51 PM

Check with Necromancer regarding a scanned copy of a signed offer. I'd put a link to it here, but I didn't want to do it without his permission. Basically, you fax over your order to Sandy which also includes a statement saying that Santa Cruz Subaru will sell it to you at $750 over invoice. Ask him to sign it and fax back. That's what Sandy is telling everyone to do.

Bob

yuletak · 01-18-2001, 04:04 PM

At least for those of you who are worried about color, I talked to Sandy again today and he told me he is sending in orders for the type of vehicle, tranny, and color today. So get your info in NOW!!!

christoph1371 · 01-18-2001, 04:20 PM

I just sent in my info. and dough!
i did have a form attached that stated, "Please respond by signing and sending the signed fax to me. In doing so, you are confirming the said above deposit, price, vehicle specifications, and you have my permission to charge my credit card $1000.00."

So now.... any one wanna buy a rare green '98 rs

fatty mcgee · 01-18-2001, 04:33 PM

I just got back my fax from Sandy too. 750 over invoice, 1000 refundable deposit on credit card. I just talked to him and he says he now has 11 orders. The only thing that was kinda funny was the signature on the fax..looked more like a quick scribble than a signature.
This is the best deal I can find so far....I'm coming up from LA to get it!

over_rev · 01-18-2001, 08:18 PM

I'm from Los Angeles. this deal is sweet. i'm interested.

i have a question. I need to trade-in my car. (94 Integra). how can i do that??? drive up to Santa Cruz and drive the WRX back?

01-17-2001, 01:59 AM	#14
Philip Scooby Specialist Member#: 1934 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Fremont, CA USA Vehicle: 2002 WRX Sedan	Here we go with the offer..... (WRX Group Buy) I spoke to Sandy at Santa Cruz, he first stated $1000 above invoice, but I mentioned that this might end up being the same deal (since its almost the majority that believe it will be 22k for invoice). SO, he brought it down to $750 over invoice. IF (and thats a BIG IF) the invoice is 22k, that would bring it to a total around $22,750. Now that would be a $1,250 savings over MSRP. So what do you all think? Philip [edit] Just thought I should add the phone number and contact. (831) 420-1500 Sandy Charnay [edit] [This message has been edited by Philip (edited January 16, 2001).]

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01-16-2001, 02:09 PM	#1
subaruwrx Scooby Specialist Member#: 1818 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: San Francisco Vehicle: 03 1996 Impreza Wa Soon to be a v3 STI	ill sign up... Ill cancel my deposit at Irvine... --Adam

01-16-2001, 02:33 PM	#2
vladgur Scooby Newbie Member#: 3106 Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: San Francisco, CA	How do I sign up for the group buy and what would the deposit be?

01-16-2001, 02:43 PM	#3
christoph1371 Scooby Specialist Member#: 1090 Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: CA	If i can be assured a yellow wrx i'll throw a deposit down. BTW how much would i have to part with?

01-16-2001, 02:45 PM	#4
bobski NASIOC Supporter Member#: 413 Join Date: Oct 1999 Chapter/Region: BAIC Location: Tracy/San Jose, CA Vehicle: 2006 VF-39 WRX Wagon OBP	I think that's the best deal so far. Is there a minimum for the GB? Bob

01-16-2001, 02:58 PM	#5
shawrf1 Scooby Specialist Member#: 3466 Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Now able to resist: Vehicle: Flu. Anthrax. Smallpox. HepA/B. Kimchi.	subaruwrx: don't cancel your deposit _anywhere_ until after your purchase is finalized... especially if it's refundable! That way, you can be a competitive shopper when it comes time to haggle prices if necessary... Also, you never know if the dealer's going to get the car immediately or 6 months down the road... -Robert

01-16-2001, 04:06 PM	#6
Necromancer Scooby Specialist Member#: 477 Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Vancouver Vehicle: GC4 -> GGA -> GM6 Yeah, that's about right.	Philip, great work and thank you for contacting SC Subaru. I'm a bit confused though -- why couldn't he agree to some amount below MSRP as with the Diablo deal? Being that we know what MSRP is, and we don't know what invoice is, do you think it would be safer to go with a delta off MSRP? Anyway, thanks again!

01-16-2001, 04:36 PM	#7
Philip Scooby Specialist Member#: 1934 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Fremont, CA USA Vehicle: 2002 WRX Sedan	Let me try to answer all the questions at once...... subaruwrx: I would recommend (as someone already has) to keep your deposit there and start it at the santa cruz (that is if you are able to). Once invoice price is released, I bet the dealers will think differently about selling for MSRP. vladgur: the contact info was added to my original post. Deposite is $500, fully refunable. christoph1371: I have no 100% idea on how much the total will be, but the deposit is $500. On color choices, you would have to speak directly to the dealer to see what he has to say about it. bobski: I have been talking to him about the Diablo deal, so I am assuming he is making this deal with the same "requirements", so I would say 5 minimum. Necromancer: I really don't know why any dealer would throw deals out at all right now, since their is no invoice value. But the best way on the dealer's part is to go by how much more than invoice, that way they would know how much "profit" to expect. I don't see this as a bad thing. But I do find stating the amount below MSRP risky for the dealer, since they don't know how much invoice is, they could end up dropping the price below invoice before, and because of this risk, it sounds very iffy to me. Going off MSRP could end up being better for us, if the invoice ended up being more than we expect. Personally thou, hearing some dealer quote a price based off MSRP doesn't give me much faith on that dealer. I am actually glad the Santa Cruz dealer choice to state it how he did. Anymore questions? Philip

01-16-2001, 04:40 PM	#8
christoph1371 Scooby Specialist Member#: 1090 Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: CA	ok, i understand about the invoice thing. does package deals (option packages). or should i just speak with your contact at santa cruz. name and ph# please. thanks chris

01-16-2001, 04:53 PM	#9
Philip Scooby Specialist Member#: 1934 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Fremont, CA USA Vehicle: 2002 WRX Sedan	I still haven't seen anyone give prices on the options, and the dealer is stating they don't have them yet either. But you are able to give the list of options you want, and they should keep it handy in your "record". The contact is Sandy Charnay (831) 420-1500 Philip

01-16-2001, 05:05 PM	#10
Necromancer Scooby Specialist Member#: 477 Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Vancouver Vehicle: GC4 -> GGA -> GM6 Yeah, that's about right.	Well said Philip; in any case I'm confident we are not going to get screwed. I'm sure Santa Cruz Subaru has seen their numbers go up due to our evangelism and they are not about to jeopardize their street cred. Sandy told me to just give em a credit card number, so that's what I did. FAX'd the stuff over to him a minute ago and am waiting for confirmation. Nice job folks, I hope we do eventually get our cars from Santa Cruz. Imagine that first drive up highway 17!! (okay, maybe it won't be all that great because of break-in, hehe)

01-16-2001, 05:07 PM	#12
Necromancer Scooby Specialist Member#: 477 Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Vancouver Vehicle: GC4 -> GGA -> GM6 Yeah, that's about right.	[edit, there was a forum for this] [This message has been edited by Necromancer (edited January 16, 2001).]

01-16-2001, 06:48 PM	#13
bobski NASIOC Supporter Member#: 413 Join Date: Oct 1999 Chapter/Region: BAIC Location: Tracy/San Jose, CA Vehicle: 2006 VF-39 WRX Wagon OBP	I just faxed information over to them also. FYI, Sandy indicated that they are now requiring a deposit of $1000 for this deal.

01-17-2001, 02:52 AM	#15
ndmorespd Scooby Specialist Member#: 1657 Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Sacramento, Ca, USA Vehicle: 2k RS BRP	Ok so I tried to mention it in the other post but I got almost NO response. We are all poking our contacts and seeing what we can find. I have NO clue what I can get from Roseville, but: 1) I have family there, hopefully willing to deal, if anyone can he can I'll bet my Track Day ticket on that (not that his will be better, only that he can deal...). 2) I know they aren't the best dealership around (one of the worst at times) but you can have your servicing done elsewhere, I thought we were just looking for the best deal outright... 3) Anyone willing to drive to Sac let me know, when I reach 5 confirmed I'll make an offer and se if they can beat Santa Cruz... If I can reach more than that I'll throw it to him and see if I can reach less than the current best of $750 over invoice. Mike #25 (Sorry I am in Sac (as you can see) can smoeone find out from Santa Cruz what the deal is with ordering colors and options... Will they for this deal? I am ONLY buying a WRX this early if I can have MY choice.)

01-17-2001, 11:56 PM	#16
yuletak Scooby Newbie Member#: 3602 Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Menlo Park, CA Vehicle: 2002 wrx silver 1992 kawasaki ex500	HKBeef, I talked to Sandy Charnay over at Santa Cruz earlier today and asked him various questions about the cars he'll be getting. The most revealing bit of info he told me was that he's expecting about 9 cars. As for colors and options and all that, we'll just have to wait since he doesn't have much info yet. If I recall, he also said he'll have more info by next week. So you might want to check back with him. He sounds like a real nice guy, took time to answer my questions, tho he did seem to want to get off the phone. Maybe it was a long day? Anyways, do u guys want to pick up ur cars at the same time? We can have an entourage leaving the dealership.

01-18-2001, 12:24 AM	#17
Cuppster Scooby Newbie Member#: 3043 Join Date: Nov 2000 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Pensacola, FL Vehicle: 2008 WRX sedan Obsidian Black Pearl	Okay, I'm planning to call Sandy tomorrow and talk about a deal, but how will this work? If I like everything he says and decide to buy there, and give him a down payment, is the deal (i + $750) contingent on at least 4 others doing the same? And if that doesn't happen, does my deal go south? Should a group of us coordinate efforts to send money all at once? Aargh, I'm getting confused! Life was so much simpler when there was only MSRP.

01-18-2001, 01:43 AM	#18
HongKongBeef Scooby Specialist Member#: 1574 Join Date: Jun 2000 Chapter/Region: BAIC Location: #finklses @ EFnet Vehicle: 2008 OBXT Black	Ndmorespd: Like i mentioned in the other thread, i am definately interested. But before I say "I'm in" i'd like to know what kind of price/colors/options/time we actually get the cars you can get.

01-18-2001, 02:19 PM	#19
vladgur Scooby Newbie Member#: 3106 Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: San Francisco, CA	Well since theyre only getting 9 cars not everyone will be getting theirs soon. On other hand if any of you get $750 over invoice offer in writing from them, please scan it and post it here so we'd be able to try and match it elsewhere

01-18-2001, 02:42 PM	#20
HongKongBeef Scooby Specialist Member#: 1574 Join Date: Jun 2000 Chapter/Region: BAIC Location: #finklses @ EFnet Vehicle: 2008 OBXT Black	I am DEFINATELY down with this deal. There is a HUGE problem for me though. There is no way I can have the money yet. I want to do a FAT down payment, and right now I have nothing. (had to pay off credit card bills, & trip to Hong Kong/China 2 weeks ago killed me financially) There is no way I can get a WRX before July/August/September.. Around then.. Can a group Buy stretch out this long?

01-18-2001, 02:51 PM	#21
bobski NASIOC Supporter Member#: 413 Join Date: Oct 1999 Chapter/Region: BAIC Location: Tracy/San Jose, CA Vehicle: 2006 VF-39 WRX Wagon OBP	Check with Necromancer regarding a scanned copy of a signed offer. I'd put a link to it here, but I didn't want to do it without his permission. Basically, you fax over your order to Sandy which also includes a statement saying that Santa Cruz Subaru will sell it to you at $750 over invoice. Ask him to sign it and fax back. That's what Sandy is telling everyone to do. Bob

01-18-2001, 04:04 PM	#22
yuletak Scooby Newbie Member#: 3602 Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Menlo Park, CA Vehicle: 2002 wrx silver 1992 kawasaki ex500	At least for those of you who are worried about color, I talked to Sandy again today and he told me he is sending in orders for the type of vehicle, tranny, and color today. So get your info in NOW!!!

01-18-2001, 04:20 PM	#23
christoph1371 Scooby Specialist Member#: 1090 Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: CA	I just sent in my info. and dough! i did have a form attached that stated, "Please respond by signing and sending the signed fax to me. In doing so, you are confirming the said above deposit, price, vehicle specifications, and you have my permission to charge my credit card $1000.00." So now.... any one wanna buy a rare green '98 rs

01-18-2001, 04:33 PM	#24
fatty mcgee Scooby Newbie Member#: 3650 Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Los Angeles, CA	I just got back my fax from Sandy too. 750 over invoice, 1000 refundable deposit on credit card. I just talked to him and he says he now has 11 orders. The only thing that was kinda funny was the signature on the fax..looked more like a quick scribble than a signature. This is the best deal I can find so far....I'm coming up from LA to get it!

01-18-2001, 08:18 PM	#25
over_rev Scooby Newbie Member#: 1957 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: LA, CA USA Vehicle: 2002 WRX Blue	I'm from Los Angeles. this deal is sweet. i'm interested. i have a question. I need to trade-in my car. (94 Integra). how can i do that??? drive up to Santa Cruz and drive the WRX back?