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Old 12-12-2003, 10:57 AM   #1
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Anyone see this yet? I was really surprised that neither the Evo VIII nor the STi/WRX made the list. However, the Acura TSX did, along with the Toyota Prius

Other than that, the typical line up of Bimmers and Hondas, RX-8, S4 and G30 made up the rest of the list.
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Old 12-12-2003, 12:04 PM   #2
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Haven't seen it yet. Suprised the Evo didn't make it. Maybe they're just trying to be different for no other sake. At least the S4 and G30 are there.
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Old 12-12-2003, 01:10 PM   #3
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The TSX is one of the 10 best... ways to embarass yourself while you explain to people why you just paid $28,000 for a 200 hp Honda Accord.
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Old 12-12-2003, 01:13 PM   #4
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G30? Don't you guys mean G35?
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Old 12-12-2003, 01:17 PM   #5
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No, the G30.

It's the new Turbo 4 Wagon based off a Saab. (j/k)
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Old 12-12-2003, 01:47 PM   #6
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G47 amg is there..
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Old 12-12-2003, 03:03 PM   #7
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I cried for a good ten minutes when I found out the WRX had been dethroned.
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Old 12-12-2003, 03:52 PM   #8
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It does seem like they're trying to be different. The Evo and STi were clearly 2 of the most ground-breaking auto releases this year. After all the whining the car rags have done over the past years for Mitsu and Subaru to release these homoglation cars, I can't believe they were passed up.

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Haven't seen it yet. Suprised the Evo didn't make it. Maybe they're just trying to be different for no other sake. At least the S4 and G30 are there.
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Old 12-12-2003, 04:23 PM   #9
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Did you guys see the Motor Trend car of the year..... a f'ing Prius.


....so sad.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...12_031120_coy/
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Old 12-12-2003, 04:24 PM   #10
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cough, RX-8... cough...
Masetatti Quardopolle, cough
Mazda 3, cough
GTO, V8 bonneville, Sienna, Quest, etc..



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It does seem like they're trying to be different. The Evo and STi were clearly 2 of the most ground-breaking auto releases this year. After all the whining the car rags have done over the past years for Mitsu and Subaru to release these homoglation cars, I can't believe they were passed up.
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Old 12-12-2003, 04:54 PM   #11
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Did you guys see the Motor Trend car of the year..... a f'ing Prius.


....so sad.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...12_031120_coy/
What's wrong with that?
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Old 12-12-2003, 10:59 PM   #12
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What's wrong with that?

Exactly. While it's not a performance vehicle, or a style ground breaker, it's the first true hybrid for the masses with utility to rival the conventional gas cars. It really is ground breaking.
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Old 12-13-2003, 03:59 AM   #13
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Did you guys see the Motor Trend car of the year..... a f'ing Prius.


....so sad.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...12_031120_coy/


How could it not be? The FIRST viable alternative energy vehicle deserves some attention.

Yes, I know about the weak-ass civic, insight, and previous generation prius...

Yes, I also know about Turbo Diesel....

But the fact that this Prius has usable power and is SULEV is phenomenal. Far more amazing than a fast SUV, pretty luxury car, or souped up econobox.
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Old 12-13-2003, 10:23 AM   #14
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How could it not be? The FIRST viable alternative energy vehicle deserves some attention.

Yes, I know about the weak-ass civic, insight, and previous generation prius...

Yes, I also know about Turbo Diesel....

But the fact that this Prius has usable power and is SULEV is phenomenal. Far more amazing than a fast SUV, pretty luxury car, or souped up econobox.
I couldn't agree more. I've driven the Prius, and all I can say is that it is a wake-up call for the rest of the auto industry. This thing works; but more important are the ramifications for down the road. You may not like the Prius because it looks funny, or because it can't crack a sub-6 second 0 - 60, but for future vehicles, there is a HUGE future with hybrids.

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Old 12-13-2003, 12:31 PM   #15
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Im on the same boat guys. The prius deserves to be motortrends car of the year. And as far as the wrx not making Car and Drivers ten best, well it hasnt changed much in three years, and the automotive industry is full of progress.
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Old 12-13-2003, 01:52 PM   #16
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The only problem with the Prius is when you have to replace the battery on those which falls around ~100,000 miles, I believe.

The worst thing is that no one knows how much they cost, and Toyota isn't willing to tell anyone until they really need it.
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Old 12-13-2003, 02:12 PM   #17
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Who knows, products like the Prius might help technology get to the point where we are driving a 14 second car that gets 40 miles to the gallon.
Besides the obvious benefits of such a car as the Prius, I look at their role as development platforms for EFFICIENT high performance cars. How much horsepower has the prius gained in it's short life? Extrapolate that and, the future looks pretty good. I like it's pick at #1.
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Old 12-14-2003, 12:00 AM   #18
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The only problem with the Prius is when you have to replace the battery on those which falls around ~100,000 miles, I believe.

The worst thing is that no one knows how much they cost, and Toyota isn't willing to tell anyone until they really need it.
That's definitely a HUGE problem. I don't know how they're gonna solve that. That's why the GM EV1 was a lease-only vehicle. What the heck are people gonna do with those batteries when they run out? Are they gonna replace them for $8K a pop? Probably not.

What about recycling? Is it even possible to recycle NiMH? We'll see soon enough with the previous generation Prius starting to reach some high mileage...
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Old 12-14-2003, 04:54 PM   #19
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I saw Prius batteries on Ebay for around $700. In any case - we need something other than cordless tools and RC cars to propel battery technology. I have a brushless RC car and the power is amazing! Way longer runtime and double the torque than a standard DC motor. I would trade my STI in a second if I could have sick linear torque from an electric vehicle (on order of 500 ft-lbs). But if they REALLY want these things to sell - why not put the technology in something like a S2000, or Lotus Elise looking thing. I mean - duh.
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Old 12-15-2003, 10:10 AM   #20
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I saw Prius batteries on Ebay for around $700. In any case - we need something other than cordless tools and RC cars to propel battery technology. I have a brushless RC car and the power is amazing! Way longer runtime and double the torque than a standard DC motor. I would trade my STI in a second if I could have sick linear torque from an electric vehicle (on order of 500 ft-lbs). But if they REALLY want these things to sell - why not put the technology in something like a S2000, or Lotus Elise looking thing. I mean - duh.
There is a super light weight electric sports car out there. It's mucho expensive thought, and rather ugly.

As far as more main stream vehicles, it's likely the B9 or Honda Dualnote will be the first Electric/hybrid sports cars.
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Old 12-15-2003, 10:12 AM   #21
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There is a super light weight electric sports car out there. It's mucho expensive thought, and rather ugly.

As far as more main stream vehicles, it's likely the B9 or Honda Dualnote will be the first Electric/hybrid sports cars.
Yeah, it's being put on some concept cars -- some say it'll be on the next Honda NSX.
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Old 12-15-2003, 01:40 PM   #22
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Old 12-16-2003, 11:07 AM   #23
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That list made me sick. There are two groups of cars that directly compete against each other and have nothing "revolutionary" that separates them, 1) M3, G35, RX-8, S2000, Corvette, and 2) Accord, Focus ??, TSX. And the S4 is direct competition for the M3.

How has the Accord, Focus, M3, S2000, and Corvette changed so much more than the WRX this year? Why do their story pictures show a blue STi, but the list of cars only shows a WRX? Why couldn't they at least decide between the G35 and RX-8? Where is the SRT-4, and why didn't it's revolutionary changes knock the old and boring Focus off the list? Isn't the Accord and the TSX effectively the same car (like having the 350Z and G35 on the same list)?

As for the Prius, although it is revolutionary, what business does it have in an auto enthusiast magazine? The people who will buy it are not the type to have a subscription to Car & Driver.

A month ago I believed that C&D was the last bastian of the auto enthusiast in American print media. Now I realize they are just as bad as Motor Trend. No wonder American car companies keep producing such crap. They think these idiot journalists speak for the buying public.
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Old 12-16-2003, 11:46 AM   #24
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Isn't the Accord and the TSX effectively the same car (like having the 350Z and G35 on the same list)?
While the TSX is sold in Europe and Japan as an Accord, it is nothing like the US Accord.
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There is a super light weight electric sports car out there. It's mucho expensive thought, and rather ugly.

As far as more main stream vehicles, it's likely the B9 or Honda Dualnote will be the first Electric/hybrid sports cars.
i remember maybe 2 years ago - a electric lamborghini that ran sub 6 sec 0-60 and sub 14 sec 1/4's...

tried to find an article but cant...
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