Car and Driver 10 Best

no_rex_yet · 12-12-2003, 09:57 AM

Anyone see this yet? I was really surprised that neither the Evo VIII nor the STi/WRX made the list. However, the Acura TSX did, along with the Toyota Prius

Other than that, the typical line up of Bimmers and Hondas, RX-8, S4 and G30 made up the rest of the list.

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R32Guy · 12-12-2003, 11:04 AM

Haven't seen it yet. Suprised the Evo didn't make it. Maybe they're just trying to be different for no other sake. At least the S4 and G30 are there.

babyvoxfan · 12-12-2003, 12:10 PM

The TSX is one of the 10 best... ways to embarass yourself while you explain to people why you just paid $28,000 for a 200 hp Honda Accord.

babyvoxfan · 12-12-2003, 12:13 PM

G30?

Don't you guys mean G35?

mhoward1 · 12-12-2003, 12:17 PM

No, the G30.

It's the new Turbo 4 Wagon based off a Saab. (j/k)

amdmaxx · 12-12-2003, 12:47 PM

G47 amg is there..

NeoteriX · 12-12-2003, 02:03 PM

I cried for a good ten minutes when I found out the WRX had been dethroned.

no_rex_yet · 12-12-2003, 02:52 PM

It does seem like they're trying to be different. The Evo and STi were clearly 2 of the most ground-breaking auto releases this year. After all the whining the car rags have done over the past years for Mitsu and Subaru to release these homoglation cars, I can't believe they were passed up.

Quote:

Originally posted by R32Guy
Haven't seen it yet. Suprised the Evo didn't make it. Maybe they're just trying to be different for no other sake. At least the S4 and G30 are there.

WRCwannabe · 12-12-2003, 03:23 PM

Did you guys see the Motor Trend car of the year..... a f'ing Prius.

....so sad.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...12_031120_coy/

amdmaxx · 12-12-2003, 03:24 PM

cough, RX-8... cough...
Masetatti Quardopolle, cough
Mazda 3, cough
GTO, V8 bonneville, Sienna, Quest, etc..

Quote:

Originally posted by no_rex_yet
It does seem like they're trying to be different. The Evo and STi were clearly 2 of the most ground-breaking auto releases this year. After all the whining the car rags have done over the past years for Mitsu and Subaru to release these homoglation cars, I can't believe they were passed up.

LoveThatWeasel · 12-12-2003, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WRCwannabe
Did you guys see the Motor Trend car of the year..... a f'ing Prius.

....so sad.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...12_031120_coy/

What's wrong with that?

mhoward1 · 12-12-2003, 09:59 PM

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Originally posted by LoveThatWeasel
What's wrong with that?

Exactly. While it's not a performance vehicle, or a style ground breaker, it's the first true hybrid for the masses with utility to rival the conventional gas cars. It really is ground breaking.

ZenerDiode · 12-13-2003, 02:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by WRCwannabe
Did you guys see the Motor Trend car of the year..... a f'ing Prius.

....so sad.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...12_031120_coy/

How could it not be? The FIRST viable alternative energy vehicle deserves some attention.

Yes, I know about the weak-ass civic, insight, and previous generation prius...

Yes, I also know about Turbo Diesel....

But the fact that this Prius has usable power and is SULEV is phenomenal. Far more amazing than a fast SUV, pretty luxury car, or souped up econobox.

rsholland · 12-13-2003, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ZenerDiode
How could it not be? The FIRST viable alternative energy vehicle deserves some attention.

Yes, I know about the weak-ass civic, insight, and previous generation prius...

Yes, I also know about Turbo Diesel....

But the fact that this Prius has usable power and is SULEV is phenomenal. Far more amazing than a fast SUV, pretty luxury car, or souped up econobox.

I couldn't agree more. I've driven the Prius, and all I can say is that it is a wake-up call for the rest of the auto industry. This thing works; but more important are the ramifications for down the road. You may not like the Prius because it looks funny, or because it can't crack a sub-6 second 0 - 60, but for future vehicles, there is a HUGE future with hybrids.

Bob

loudsubbie · 12-13-2003, 11:31 AM

Im on the same boat guys. The prius deserves to be motortrends car of the year. And as far as the wrx not making Car and Drivers ten best, well it hasnt changed much in three years, and the automotive industry is full of progress.

babyvoxfan · 12-13-2003, 12:52 PM

The only problem with the Prius is when you have to replace the battery on those which falls around ~100,000 miles, I believe.

The worst thing is that no one knows how much they cost, and Toyota isn't willing to tell anyone until they really need it.

bernulli · 12-13-2003, 01:12 PM

Who knows, products like the Prius might help technology get to the point where we are driving a 14 second car that gets 40 miles to the gallon.
Besides the obvious benefits of such a car as the Prius, I look at their role as development platforms for EFFICIENT high performance cars. How much horsepower has the prius gained in it's short life? Extrapolate that and, the future looks pretty good. I like it's pick at #1.

ZenerDiode · 12-13-2003, 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by babyvoxfan
The only problem with the Prius is when you have to replace the battery on those which falls around ~100,000 miles, I believe.

The worst thing is that no one knows how much they cost, and Toyota isn't willing to tell anyone until they really need it.

That's definitely a HUGE problem. I don't know how they're gonna solve that. That's why the GM EV1 was a lease-only vehicle. What the heck are people gonna do with those batteries when they run out? Are they gonna replace them for $8K a pop? Probably not.

What about recycling? Is it even possible to recycle NiMH? We'll see soon enough with the previous generation Prius starting to reach some high mileage...

VR62STI · 12-14-2003, 03:54 PM

I saw Prius batteries on Ebay for around $700. In any case - we need something other than cordless tools and RC cars to propel battery technology. I have a brushless RC car and the power is amazing! Way longer runtime and double the torque than a standard DC motor. I would trade my STI in a second if I could have sick linear torque from an electric vehicle (on order of 500 ft-lbs). But if they REALLY want these things to sell - why not put the technology in something like a S2000, or Lotus Elise looking thing. I mean - duh.

mhoward1 · 12-15-2003, 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by VR62STI
I saw Prius batteries on Ebay for around $700. In any case - we need something other than cordless tools and RC cars to propel battery technology. I have a brushless RC car and the power is amazing! Way longer runtime and double the torque than a standard DC motor. I would trade my STI in a second if I could have sick linear torque from an electric vehicle (on order of 500 ft-lbs). But if they REALLY want these things to sell - why not put the technology in something like a S2000, or Lotus Elise looking thing. I mean - duh.

There is a super light weight electric sports car out there. It's mucho expensive thought, and rather ugly.

As far as more main stream vehicles, it's likely the B9 or Honda Dualnote will be the first Electric/hybrid sports cars.

NeoteriX · 12-15-2003, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mh_WRX
There is a super light weight electric sports car out there. It's mucho expensive thought, and rather ugly.

As far as more main stream vehicles, it's likely the B9 or Honda Dualnote will be the first Electric/hybrid sports cars.

Yeah, it's being put on some concept cars -- some say it'll be on the next Honda NSX.

raykwok · 12-15-2003, 12:40 PM

VVVV · 12-16-2003, 10:07 AM

That list made me sick. There are two groups of cars that directly compete against each other and have nothing "revolutionary" that separates them, 1) M3, G35, RX-8, S2000, Corvette, and 2) Accord, Focus ??, TSX. And the S4 is direct competition for the M3.

How has the Accord, Focus, M3, S2000, and Corvette changed so much more than the WRX this year? Why do their story pictures show a blue STi, but the list of cars only shows a WRX? Why couldn't they at least decide between the G35 and RX-8? Where is the SRT-4, and why didn't it's revolutionary changes knock the old and boring Focus off the list? Isn't the Accord and the TSX effectively the same car (like having the 350Z and G35 on the same list)?

As for the Prius, although it is revolutionary, what business does it have in an auto enthusiast magazine? The people who will buy it are not the type to have a subscription to Car & Driver.

A month ago I believed that C&D was the last bastian of the auto enthusiast in American print media. Now I realize they are just as bad as Motor Trend. No wonder American car companies keep producing such crap. They think these idiot journalists speak for the buying public.

RedBean · 12-16-2003, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by VVVV
Isn't the Accord and the TSX effectively the same car (like having the 350Z and G35 on the same list)?

While the TSX is sold in Europe and Japan as an Accord, it is nothing like the US Accord.

capaWRX · 12-16-2003, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mh_WRX
There is a super light weight electric sports car out there. It's mucho expensive thought, and rather ugly.

As far as more main stream vehicles, it's likely the B9 or Honda Dualnote will be the first Electric/hybrid sports cars.

i remember maybe 2 years ago - a electric lamborghini that ran sub 6 sec 0-60 and sub 14 sec 1/4's...

tried to find an article but cant...

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12-12-2003, 09:57 AM	#1
no_rex_yet Scooby Specialist Member#: 7351 Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: philly Vehicle: 04 330cic	Car and Driver 10 Best Anyone see this yet? I was really surprised that neither the Evo VIII nor the STi/WRX made the list. However, the Acura TSX did, along with the Toyota Prius Other than that, the typical line up of Bimmers and Hondas, RX-8, S4 and G30 made up the rest of the list. * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

12-12-2003, 11:04 AM	#2
R32Guy Scooby Newbie Member#: 48263 Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Colchester, CT	Haven't seen it yet. Suprised the Evo didn't make it. Maybe they're just trying to be different for no other sake. At least the S4 and G30 are there.

12-12-2003, 12:10 PM	#3
babyvoxfan Scooby Newbie Member#: 42592 Join Date: Aug 2003	The TSX is one of the 10 best... ways to embarass yourself while you explain to people why you just paid $28,000 for a 200 hp Honda Accord.

12-12-2003, 12:13 PM	#4
babyvoxfan Scooby Newbie Member#: 42592 Join Date: Aug 2003	G30? Don't you guys mean G35?

12-12-2003, 12:17 PM	#5
mhoward1 Scooby Specialist Member#: 9481 Join Date: Aug 2001 Chapter/Region: South East Location: FFR Challenge #43 Vehicle: 2011 Carrera 4s 2009 BMW M5	No, the G30. It's the new Turbo 4 Wagon based off a Saab. (j/k)

12-12-2003, 12:47 PM	#6
amdmaxx Scooby Specialist Member#: 31665 Join Date: Jan 2003 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: Northern NJ, USA Vehicle: 2006 Saab 9-2x Aero Black	G47 amg is there..

12-12-2003, 02:03 PM	#7
NeoteriX Scooby Specialist Member#: 20999 Join Date: Jul 2002 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: NJ Vehicle: 2002 PSM WRX Stg 2 knee - Aw - teh - rix	I cried for a good ten minutes when I found out the WRX had been dethroned.

12-12-2003, 03:23 PM	#9
WRCwannabe Scooby Newbie Member#: 28349 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: San Diego Vehicle: 2003 Peice-o-sht WRX Selling it for a Hyundai	Did you guys see the Motor Trend car of the year..... a f'ing Prius. ....so sad. http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...12_031120_coy/

12-13-2003, 11:31 AM	#15
loudsubbie Scooby Newbie Member#: 19209 Join Date: May 2002 Location: Cherokee, NC Vehicle: 2002 WRX Blue	Im on the same boat guys. The prius deserves to be motortrends car of the year. And as far as the wrx not making Car and Drivers ten best, well it hasnt changed much in three years, and the automotive industry is full of progress.

12-13-2003, 12:52 PM	#16
babyvoxfan Scooby Newbie Member#: 42592 Join Date: Aug 2003	The only problem with the Prius is when you have to replace the battery on those which falls around ~100,000 miles, I believe. The worst thing is that no one knows how much they cost, and Toyota isn't willing to tell anyone until they really need it.

12-13-2003, 01:12 PM	#17
bernulli Scooby Newbie Member#: 36336 Join Date: May 2003 Location: MA Vehicle: 02 WRX Wagon Silver	Who knows, products like the Prius might help technology get to the point where we are driving a 14 second car that gets 40 miles to the gallon. Besides the obvious benefits of such a car as the Prius, I look at their role as development platforms for EFFICIENT high performance cars. How much horsepower has the prius gained in it's short life? Extrapolate that and, the future looks pretty good. I like it's pick at #1.

12-14-2003, 03:54 PM	#19
VR62STI Scooby Newbie Member#: 45417 Join Date: Oct 2003	I saw Prius batteries on Ebay for around $700. In any case - we need something other than cordless tools and RC cars to propel battery technology. I have a brushless RC car and the power is amazing! Way longer runtime and double the torque than a standard DC motor. I would trade my STI in a second if I could have sick linear torque from an electric vehicle (on order of 500 ft-lbs). But if they REALLY want these things to sell - why not put the technology in something like a S2000, or Lotus Elise looking thing. I mean - duh.

12-15-2003, 12:40 PM	#22
raykwok Scooby Specialist Member#: 43803 Join Date: Sep 2003 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: Morristown, NJ Vehicle: 2008 Subaru STI Dark Grey Metallic

12-16-2003, 10:07 AM	#23
VVVV Scooby Newbie Member#: 37205 Join Date: May 2003 Chapter/Region: RMIC Location: Colorado Vehicle: 2004 STI WRB	That list made me sick. There are two groups of cars that directly compete against each other and have nothing "revolutionary" that separates them, 1) M3, G35, RX-8, S2000, Corvette, and 2) Accord, Focus ??, TSX. And the S4 is direct competition for the M3. How has the Accord, Focus, M3, S2000, and Corvette changed so much more than the WRX this year? Why do their story pictures show a blue STi, but the list of cars only shows a WRX? Why couldn't they at least decide between the G35 and RX-8? Where is the SRT-4, and why didn't it's revolutionary changes knock the old and boring Focus off the list? Isn't the Accord and the TSX effectively the same car (like having the 350Z and G35 on the same list)? As for the Prius, although it is revolutionary, what business does it have in an auto enthusiast magazine? The people who will buy it are not the type to have a subscription to Car & Driver. A month ago I believed that C&D was the last bastian of the auto enthusiast in American print media. Now I realize they are just as bad as Motor Trend. No wonder American car companies keep producing such crap. They think these idiot journalists speak for the buying public.