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Old 12-13-2003, 02:32 PM   #1
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Unhappy ARGH! pulley kit problems AGAIN...

Hey sorry guys, but unfortunately the pulley kit YET AGAIN has spoiled my plans for a faster NA car lol I have a 00 impreza 2.5rs and last night a friend and I took out the radiator fans and the pulley belts. I tried, but could not fit my impact wrench into it. we then used a conenctor that made the impact wrench work at a 90degree angle, but failed. So we went the brute force method. Got a breaker bar and the 22mm socket and threw it into the crank pulley. It kept on slipping as we put a lot of force onto it! I noticed that there are 4 pre drilled holes on the pulley...might one of those be a way to put a bolt/shaft of metal into so that it locks the pulley onto the body of the engine as to not cause it to slip? i've had the car in 5th gear, and then tried it in 1st gear while stomping on the brake, but to no success. How do I keep it from slipping/moving!??? would appreciate any suggestions from fellow NASIOC impreza owners who might have experience or ideas with my dillema thanks! -RJ
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Old 12-13-2003, 10:55 PM   #2
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Turn the car on for a split second with the breaker bar being held.
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Old 12-14-2003, 12:07 PM   #3
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Turn the car on for a split second with the breaker bar being held.
Actually, bracing against the car would be better.
Would you want to be the one holding the wrench
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Old 12-14-2003, 12:46 PM   #4
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Turn the car on for a split second with the breaker bar being held.
Yeh like he said, get a breaker bar and brace it against the car. Let the engine turn over a couple times but dont start it.
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Old 12-14-2003, 12:54 PM   #5
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Hey sorry guys, but unfortunately the pulley kit YET AGAIN has spoiled my plans for a faster NA car lol I have a 00 impreza 2.5rs and last night a friend and I took out the radiator fans and the pulley belts. I tried, but could not fit my impact wrench into it. we then used a conenctor that made the impact wrench work at a 90degree angle, but failed. So we went the brute force method. Got a breaker bar and the 22mm socket and threw it into the crank pulley. It kept on slipping as we put a lot of force onto it! I noticed that there are 4 pre drilled holes on the pulley...might one of those be a way to put a bolt/shaft of metal into so that it locks the pulley onto the body of the engine as to not cause it to slip? i've had the car in 5th gear, and then tried it in 1st gear while stomping on the brake, but to no success. How do I keep it from slipping/moving!??? would appreciate any suggestions from fellow NASIOC impreza owners who might have experience or ideas with my dillema thanks! -RJ
there is a tool available that should work (its in the subaru service manual).

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...ghlight=pulley

is what i think it is.
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Old 12-14-2003, 05:19 PM   #6
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Actually, bracing against the car would be better.
Would you want to be the one holding the wrench
Oh, I thought people held it... my bad! (mine came right off, i was just trying to remember the procedure the folks used for when they used this method)
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Old 12-14-2003, 05:50 PM   #7
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Mine was super stubborn. I was able to get it off by putting the car in gear, putting tension on the breaker bar, and hitting the breaker bar with a mallet. Loosened it right up.
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Old 12-14-2003, 08:38 PM   #8
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Ive never head a problem with 5th gear and holding the brakes, and a breaker bar and pipe. I think I have used 4th gear as well...

bumping the motor while bracing the bar against the ground or the car, is the stupidest idea evAr and very dangerous.

thats just my opinion.
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Old 12-15-2003, 03:30 AM   #9
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Ive never head a problem with 5th gear and holding the brakes, and a breaker bar and pipe. I think I have used 4th gear as well...

bumping the motor while bracing the bar against the ground or the car, is the stupidest idea evAr and very dangerous.

thats just my opinion.
but taught to me by a 15yr subaru master tech and i brace them against the alternator pulley

Note: this should only be used when you do not have a second set of feet to stand on the brakes
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Old 12-15-2003, 12:31 PM   #10
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dude just put your car in 5th and get the exact size socket with breaker bar. Take a 3ft extention and put that on there, this will give you more torque (torque = radius x force). That is what i did and it made the job so tit. After you just have to get the damn pulley off the crank shaft (mine was "stuck").

mis dos pesos....
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Old 12-15-2003, 03:51 PM   #11
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Ive never head a problem with 5th gear and holding the brakes, and a breaker bar and pipe. I think I have used 4th gear as well...

bumping the motor while bracing the bar against the ground or the car, is the stupidest idea evAr and very dangerous.

thats just my opinion.
i agree with jay. we dont do that at work. the only other way ive seen it done that makes sence is the 5th gear and brakes method

in my opinion seeing what can happen if a pully is not installed correctly this should not be something amatures should do...(u screw up on putting it on u will either throw the pully into the hood and/or screw up the crank shafts keyway causing u to need a new crank which goes to needing a new short block)

and thats not the took either. its a rod with a round plate at the end that has 4 prongs sticking out thats open in the center
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Old 12-15-2003, 09:23 PM   #12
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Really, what is the difference between using a breaker bar and turning the engine over, and putting the car in gear and holding the brakes? Technically both methods are using the flywheel/crank shaft to hold the force of the breaker bar used to loosen the crank bolt. One method gets it done faster with one person and the other uses two people. The only method that puts zero stress on the crank is to use the proper subaru tool.

If you don't agree with it, that's fine, but it's not any worse than the other method. Considering that you would have to use over 90 ft. pounds of force to break the bolt free, and you are applying that force to your tranny gears, I think that putting the car in gear and holding the brakes is more stupid considering the fragile nature of subaru trannies. With the "brace it and pop it" method the tranny is not engaged.
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Old 12-15-2003, 10:30 PM   #13
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Really, what is the difference between using a breaker bar and turning the engine over, and putting the car in gear and holding the brakes? Technically both methods are using the flywheel/crank shaft to hold the force of the breaker bar used to loosen the crank bolt. One method gets it done faster with one person and the other uses two people. The only method that puts zero stress on the crank is to use the proper subaru tool.

If you don't agree with it, that's fine, but it's not any worse than the other method. Considering that you would have to use over 90 ft. pounds of force to break the bolt free, and you are applying that force to your tranny gears, I think that putting the car in gear and holding the brakes is more stupid considering the fragile nature of subaru trannies. With the "brace it and pop it" method the tranny is not engaged.
your joking right? its not the stress it puts on parts its the danger of if the breaker bar flys off. and the tranny isnt that 'fragile' the only trannys that break are the ones of thsoe who beat the **** of of them

putting it in gear and turning the wrench gives you more control than putting the wrench ona nd getting in the car and turning the key hoping that the socket stays on the crank and doesnt fly and hit somthing...
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Old 12-15-2003, 11:05 PM   #14
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your joking right? its not the stress it puts on parts its the danger of if the breaker bar flys off. and the tranny isnt that 'fragile' the only trannys that break are the ones of thsoe who beat the **** of of them

putting it in gear and turning the wrench gives you more control than putting the wrench ona nd getting in the car and turning the key hoping that the socket stays on the crank and doesnt fly and hit somthing...
Actually no, I'm not joking. I have used this method several times.
1.I disconnect the coil.
2.put my breaker bar on the inner fender just in front of the battery.
3.turn crank bolt with ratchet so that the breaker is resting on the inner fender when the socket is on the bolt.
4.But the socket on the crank bolt and click it onto the breaker.
5.Get in car,press clutch,and turn key for about 1/10th of a second, not even long enough to turn it over once.

I would'nt brace the breaker on the ground.

I'm not trying to argue here. How do you do your method if you are by yourself?

Anyhow, good luck Stylin, Hope you get it.
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Old 12-15-2003, 11:14 PM   #15
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Anyhow, good luck Stylin, Hope you get it

stylin hasnt even came back after posting, i think we were all just aruging about the proper manner to install the pulley and he gave up
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Old 12-15-2003, 11:41 PM   #16
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i work at subaru so i use the 'proper' tool (the tool thats issued by subaru is a POS)

use the rod with the round plate at the end with the prongs that it into the pully and use a breaker bar with socket and put it on the crank bolt

your way may be ok, but from what i read before u i totally dont think is right...
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Old 12-16-2003, 11:26 AM   #17
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Talking lol

lol nah nah, ive been without internet for the past few days unfortunately =P well with all these new ideas i think I'll have plenty to work with here =) VERY amusing watching the several different methods argue on which is better lol Had another question relating to the other 2 pulleys. Do I just jam a shard of metal (perhaps a screwdriver) into the coil of the alternator to stop it from spinning for removal? Also, for the other pulley (not alternator and not crank, forgot name lol) do I jam a screwdriver through one of the 4 holes and onto the body of the block to remove? Thnx! -RJ
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Old 12-16-2003, 11:55 AM   #18
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For the other two you would really need an impact gun. I use the belts to wrap around the pulley and impact them off. You could also put the pulley in a vise with wood on both sides and impact it off that way, but the power steering unit gets messy real quick so i'd try the belt method on that one first.

Good luck
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Old 12-16-2003, 07:54 PM   #19
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My power steering pulley came off easy too when I rebuilt it... I dont know, I just think some folks suck at breaking bolts
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