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Old 12-15-2003, 08:32 AM   #1
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Default How much is it to install Uppipe?

hey guys, I wanna know the hourly rate for an uppipe install from local shops !

How long does it take ? 2 hours by shops?

Just wanna make sure !

Is there a list of hours for parts or the shop can ask for whatever hour they want?

I did search.....
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Old 12-15-2003, 12:13 PM   #2
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hey guys, I wanna know the hourly rate for an uppipe install from local shops !

How long does it take ? 2 hours by shops?

Just wanna make sure !

Is there a list of hours for parts or the shop can ask for whatever hour they want?

I did search.....

it takes on average 3.5 to 4 hours. I think it also depends on how old the car is, and how stubbon the bolts are.
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Old 12-15-2003, 12:51 PM   #3
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A shop can ask for whatever they want so you should ask for a quote before-hand. You don't want to get over charged on a job. Some shops will charge straight time so however long it takes, that's what you get charged but most places will give you a quote for the work. So, you can shop around and see who gives the best quote for the quality of work done.
3-4 hours for up-pipe is reasonable but I would lean more towards three hours.
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Old 12-15-2003, 07:59 PM   #4
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most of the time the cheapest price will also entail the cheapest quality of work. Keep that in mind when you're getting someone to work on your $35+k car.
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Old 12-15-2003, 08:12 PM   #5
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most of the time the cheapest price will also entail the cheapest quality of work. Keep that in mind when you're getting someone to work on your $35+k car.
A big second that. You do usually end up getting what you pay for. (Although keep an eye out for overpriced crappy work as well!!)
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Old 12-16-2003, 12:41 AM   #6
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but then, I can't work on my own car anymore cause it's 35K + ? I wanna feel more affiliate to my baby ! I've also wonder if I should collect all pieces of the exhaust and do it all at once, it's gonna be cheaper. But Some shops won't do that...

3-4 hours for shops to do uppipes? no way !! seriously? I thought it's just a couple of bolts and nuts, pull that pipe off, then put the new one in, isn't it? darn it !

So, i'll have to bring uppipe, downpipe, midpipe, muffler to the shop to get them put every pipe in? I can't even do the muffler swap myself? I can't feel more affiliate to my car without doing my own work !

okay then, i'll go polish my car! thatz the only thing i can do !

** the other day, i was trying to swap the sway bars. I've almost be forced to drive with a dingling rear sway ! hahahahhaa

Sorry for my my stupidity !

** how come I feel that everytime I've typed a message, i'll have to edit it afterwards by myself? cause I've that pressure that I can't type in real english ! My mind is all messed up after final exams !
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Old 12-16-2003, 01:09 AM   #7
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GROUP INSTALL ONE DAY IN JANUARY I SAY!!!!!!!

Dying to get my TurboXS pipe done.

Any voulnteers ????

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Old 12-16-2003, 03:59 AM   #8
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Lets ask Hypa or Tora !!

Who wanna jump into this ?



I'm definately in a group install day, i've tons of parts in my basement, coilovers, pipes, mufflers, sway bars.... !!
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Old 12-16-2003, 04:00 AM   #9
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oh brother...
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Old 12-16-2003, 03:01 PM   #10
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BWCO, we could probably do another group install day. We did a group buy previously for PDE but we could also entertain a group install.

Up-pipe is more than just a few bolts. You also have to get the heat shield off, and accessing the bolts is another thing...it's not like they are all in plain view or easy to access.

Anyhoo...anyone who would like to try, go ahead. Our last customer that did an up-pipe on their own took 6 hours...and they were quite skilled.
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Old 12-16-2003, 04:23 PM   #11
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group install, interesting. Group buy/install for uppipe would be nice!
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Old 12-16-2003, 05:11 PM   #12
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I'd be up for it. I think this is more what the club could be doing, rather that standing around looking at each others cars.



The club I was involved with in the UK concentrated on driving (Subaru Impreza Drivers Club) and did some things like arrange advanced driving days with the police. That was excellent fun!

Why not make our club THE place to do all of your DIY mods?

I say a Saturday or Sunday jobbie would go down well. If there are a few mechanics to supervise, and lend a hand, that would be perfect. Maybe someone can do a sort of clasroom explanation of the stages in doing the exhaust system, then put that into practice after?



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Old 12-17-2003, 12:43 AM   #13
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Why not make our club THE place to do all of your DIY mods?

I say a Saturday or Sunday jobbie would go down well. If there are a few mechanics to supervise, and lend a hand, that would be perfect. Maybe someone can do a sort of clasroom explanation of the stages in doing the exhaust system, then put that into practice after?



Gethin. [/b]
I think that DIY day would NOT be promoted by shops, cause they are out there to earn a profit, thatz big $$$$$ business. They don't want too many skilled or well-informed people around. So, the more DIY people can do, the less they can make. You know

I think we, as a club member who drives basically the same car, can arrange some DIY days as a group. But these DIY day never can happen unless there is a shop or someone who is knowledgable to back us up ! you know !
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Old 12-17-2003, 12:30 PM   #14
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I'm not saying this to get business but I really would not attempt doing an up-pipe install without a hoist. It will not be fun. Even mechanic would not do this install without a hoist.

As BWCO says you would be hard pressed to find a mechanic who is willing to show their secrets of the trade. I'm all for DIY, I think it is great if people can do things on their cars themselves, but as all mechanics make their money by working on cars, no one in their right mind would freely give a lesson on how to do those things to your car.

Fortunately for many people on this board there are a number of people on here who are NOT mechanics and would be happy to help others work on their cars.

So, if you do decide on doing up-pipes, best of luck!
For exhausts that is more of an easy DIY IMO.
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Old 12-17-2003, 12:34 PM   #15
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Yup. The UK market went through the same phase back in 1997-1999. Overpriced shops doing simple tasks charging a fortune for parts and accessories, with huge margins.

A UK subaru dealer charged me 300 UK Pounds for a 7,500Mile service, which was an inspection and an oil change Then I did the job myself next time for 40 UK Pounds using some Mobil-1 synthetic and filter / gasket.

It takes a whole bunch of people doing DIY stuff to change that here too. I dont think it's happening here to the same extent it did in the UK, Canada dosen't have the import problems the UK had. People could buy the exact same UK Turbo in Holland for 6,000 pounds less, then drive it home on the ferry. I imported a 280HP WRX from Japan, all costs included for 17,000 pounds, it had 3,000 miles on the odometer. At the time a new UK Turbo, 210HP was 22,000 pounds with a lot less specs (no cd player, electric antenna, power roof, rear wash wipe, folding mirrors etc).

Dyno sheets here if anyone's interested in the power my Jap WRX made :



http://dyno.scoobynet.co.uk/jap/gethin_evans.htm

I'd rather spend a few hundred bucks on buying some books and tools than lining someone els's pockets. It's my hobby so no big deal.

Most of these jobs are super simple and can be done by anyone once shown how. If thats your bag!!!





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Old 12-17-2003, 12:37 PM   #16
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Yup. The UK market went through the same phase back in 1997-1999. Overpriced shops doing simple tasks charging a fortune for parts and accessories, with huge margins.

A UK subaru dealer charged me 300 UK Pounds for a 7,500Mile service, which was an inspection and an oil change Then I did the job myself next time for 40 UK Pounds using some Mobil-1 synthetic and filter / gasket.

It takes a whole bunch of people doing DIY stuff to change that here too. I dont think it's happening here to the same extent it did in the UK, Canada dosen't have the import problems the UK had. People could buy the exact same UK Turbo in Holland for 6,000 pounds less, then drive it home on the ferry. I imported a 280HP WRX from Japan, all costs included for 17,000 pounds, it had 3,000 miles on the odometer. At the time a new UK Turbo, 210HP was 22,000 pounds with a lot less specs (no cd player, electric antenna, power roof, rear wash wipe, folding mirrors etc).

Dyno sheets here if anyone's interested in the power my Jap WRX made :



http://dyno.scoobynet.co.uk/jap/gethin_evans.htm

I'd rather spend a few hundred bucks on buying some books and tools than lining someone els's pockets. It's my hobby so no big deal.

Most of these jobs are super simple and can be done by anyone once shown how. If thats your bag!!!





G.

Uppipe is a brutal task. DP and catback are okay.
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Old 12-17-2003, 12:42 PM   #17
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We used to have DIY days.. but for more popular and easier stuff u'd find ppl changing on a GC.. ie. swaybars, exhaust, etc.. none of this uppipe and downpipe things.. lol
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a DIY uppipe install day?!?


Like Tora said, a hoist is mandatory for the uppipe/downpipe install. Hell, I wouldn't touch an exhaust DIY unless I had access to a hoist.

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Old 12-17-2003, 02:39 PM   #19
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Well I wouldn't say all exhaust work requires a hoist, an axel back swap can be done during your break between rungroups at autox. I think it's actually easier than a swaybar adjustment.
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Old 12-17-2003, 05:57 PM   #20
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Well I wouldn't say all exhaust work requires a hoist, an axel back swap can be done during your break between rungroups at autox. I think it's actually easier than a swaybar adjustment.
Okay, you've got me there.


I need to take a pic of my hoist at home for you guys. Once you've got a hoist, you use it for everything. Hell, on freezing nights, I park the integra 6 feet in the air, and the WRX right underneath it.


actually, that would be a good picture.....
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Old 12-17-2003, 07:55 PM   #21
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Okay, you've got me there.


I need to take a pic of my hoist at home for you guys. Once you've got a hoist, you use it for everything. Hell, on freezing nights, I park the integra 6 feet in the air, and the WRX right underneath it.


actually, that would be a good picture.....
damn, u've got a hoist at home??????

I want one I want one ! how much ? hahahaha
if i can talk my family into buying a hoist, i will be a happy man !
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Old 12-17-2003, 08:06 PM   #22
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damn, u've got a hoist at home??????

I want one I want one ! how much ? hahahaha
if i can talk my family into buying a hoist, i will be a happy man !
From what I understand..... 5Gs+ Installed.....

Not THAT out of reach.... I know of people spending that sort of money on a RIM/Tire package....
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Old 12-17-2003, 10:15 PM   #23
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My friend's dad bought one of those hoists with a single post in the center from an old Cheveron station for like $500 or something.
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Old 12-18-2003, 02:06 AM   #24
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I might have access to one for the day. I'll keep you posted.

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A shop in Surrey charges hoist per hour rates at very reasonable prices. Anybody know the name?
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