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Old 12-18-2003, 06:53 PM   #1
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Default CAPCE: Why do they keep asking for my gender and race?

I'm so sick of applying for jobs where after you fill out the application you see this screen pop up;

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XXXXXXXX is an Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action employer. We are committed to workforce diversity and actively encourage persons to seek employment with us, including, but not limited to, racial and ethnic minorities, women, veterans and persons with disabilities.

As a federal contractor, in furtherance of our affirmative action efforts, and to ensure that we are attracting diverse individuals interested in employment within our company, we request race and sex information from persons who express an interest in being employed with our company. Supplying this information is purely voluntary: refusal to provide the requested information will not subject the applicant to adverse treatment. Such information will not be used in making any hiring decision. Such information is considered confidential and can only be accessed by authorized company personnel in accordance with applicable state and federal laws, including the federal Americans With Disabilities Act.

Thank you for your assistance in this process.

The information you provide is optional and will not affect your application. This information is maintained in strict confidence and is not available to anyone in the selection process
If this information has no bearing on who is hired, then why the hell do they need it? I keep putting in "prefer not to tell" but somehow I think that throws me to the bottom of the pile.

Corporations are PURE CONCENTRATED EVIL!
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Old 12-18-2003, 06:56 PM   #2
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put in that youre an african american female. then youll get all the jobs. just like college sports, work places have to have certain percentages of minorities.
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Old 12-18-2003, 06:56 PM   #3
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Just fill it in wrong and if they ask about it, tell them that you thought it didn't matter to the hiring process. Of course, filling it in wrong may throw you to the bottom like you've mentioned...

But it would be funny to go into the interview where they are expecting a hispanic male and you walk in (as an example) an asian female or something like that. hehehe
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Old 12-18-2003, 06:59 PM   #4
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actually...

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Old 12-18-2003, 07:05 PM   #5
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It's no like that match that form with your application. IIRC, you don't even have to put your name on the form.
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Old 12-18-2003, 07:10 PM   #6
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I have a good friend named Muhammad who bitches to me that no one will hire him because he is not white and his name is Muhammad, and the FBI is after him and Bush wants to kill him and everyone in the world is out to get him

Meanwhile in the past 6 months he has gotten about 20 interviews and 1 contracting position (albeit shortlived) and claims he is about to get 3 more offers within the next week or two. In this time frame I have gotten 2 interviews and 0 offers. I have more experience than him, and a degree which he doesn't have.

Sometimes I really want to put down that I am a minority and see if it gets me a call and interview. That would be a good experiment. When they see me if they ask about it I'll just say I'm light skinned
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Old 12-18-2003, 07:11 PM   #7
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Tell them you're a Aborigine hermaphrodite. That should at least get you the interview.
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Old 12-18-2003, 07:14 PM   #8
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It's no like that match that form with your application. IIRC, you don't even have to put your name on the form.
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Old 12-18-2003, 07:16 PM   #9
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I have a good friend named Muhammad who bitches to me that no one will hire him because he is not white and his name is Muhammad, and the FBI is after him and Bush wants to kill him and everyone in the world is out to get him

Meanwhile in the past 6 months he has gotten about 20 interviews and 1 contracting position (albeit shortlived) and claims he is about to get 3 more offers within the next week or two. In this time frame I have gotten 2 interviews and 0 offers. I have more experience than him, and a degree which he doesn't have.

Sometimes I really want to put down that I am a minority and see if it gets me a call and interview. That would be a good experiment. When they see me if they ask about it I'll just say I'm light skinned
You realize he's white as well. There is no "recognized minority" status for being Arab.
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Old 12-18-2003, 07:17 PM   #10
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It's no like that match that form with your application. IIRC, you don't even have to put your name on the form.
You better hope they don't or else it would be pretty awkward.

At many interviews I've had, they have had the application rright in front of them.

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Old 12-18-2003, 07:34 PM   #11
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You realize he's white as well. There is no "recognized minority" status for being Arab.
He's Pakistani, so I guess technically he considers himself Asian, although he only refers to himself as "the brown man" or "sand n____"
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Old 12-18-2003, 07:41 PM   #12
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Hmm, I guess that's borderline. Indians are Asian, so maybe Pakistanis are too?
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Old 12-18-2003, 07:43 PM   #13
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On eharmony I get about 4 times as many matches when I call myself "white, non-hispanic" instead of "hispanic". I'm both white and hispanic but there's no box for that.
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Old 12-18-2003, 07:48 PM   #14
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Uh, are we taking this seriously or just joking around?

The serious answer: those forms SHOULD (and usually ARE) seperate from the rest of your paperwork. You shouldn't have your name anywhere on it. The basically take that out and throw it in a stack of other ones.

The purpose is for statistics, it has nothing to do with you and your job. The guy interviewing you KNOWS your a white male, he has eyes... putting black female on the app will just be a drop in the statistical bucket.
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Old 12-18-2003, 08:40 PM   #15
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On eharmony I get about 4 times as many matches when I call myself "white, non-hispanic" instead of "hispanic". I'm both white and hispanic but there's no box for that.
According to the gov't "hispanic" is a cultural designation, not racial; hispanics can be of any race.
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Old 12-18-2003, 08:54 PM   #16
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On most dating sites, Hispanic is a race though.
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The primary reason for asking on applications is to survey the population of applicants and compare that to the workforces.

This kind of surveying allows agencies to see when a particular employer might be employing unfairly.

Getting rid of all of those 'what race are you?' questions would probably promote bigotry more than having them. There would be no way to tell if an employer suddenly only started hiring asians, or whites or whatever.

Where I work, workforce diversity is compared every year to the entire industry, in general, I don't find it an offensive practice, and feel that it is a good thing.

To me, the worst thing about it is that it tends to keep people from feeling "American". They are Filipino, or African, or Japanese or whatever first and American second. But that is a minor side effect compared to the potential for rampant bigotry with no surveys.
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Old 12-18-2003, 09:51 PM   #18
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we tried to ban this kind of info collecting from state agencies here in the PRC, but the socialites prevailed.
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Old 12-18-2003, 09:54 PM   #19
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He's Pakistani, so I guess technically he considers himself Asian, although he only refers to himself as "the brown man" or "sand n____"
Yes...he's asian, iraqi's are asian, etc, you don't have to be on the far east coast of asia to be asian.
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He's Pakistani, so I guess technically he considers himself Terrorist, although he only refers to himself as "the brown man" or "sand n____"
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Old 12-18-2003, 10:23 PM   #21
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we tried to ban this kind of info collecting from state agencies here in the PRC, but the socialites prevailed.

Why ban it?
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Old 12-18-2003, 10:33 PM   #22
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well not to highjack my own thread but i am sick and tired of all my non-white friends like muham complaining to me their lives suck because they aren't white. meanwhile all they talk about is wanting "white girls", and everytime they get shot down it's always because "we're not white and the girl is just a white bitch".

lately, no matter what happens to them in life, it's always the fault of white people. it's like crying wolf over everything, there is definite racism out there but stop playing the race card because of every damn thing, if some girl doesn't like you maybe it's because she thinks you're ugly or a cheap bastard and not because of what color you are.

they need to get rid of all these kindof statistics i can't see it leading to anything except unfair treatment of somebody. if you live here you aren't white black or yellow, you're an american and that's it period. there's always going to be some racism in this world, get over it and work that much harder to get whats yours or give up shut up and get the hell outta here.
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