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Old 05-25-2000, 04:57 PM   #1
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Thumbs up SPD updated their site....finally!

Yep, has some new stuff on the technical section. Always a great read. Thanks Mike Shields. IMHO, he is still one of hte best if not the best Scooby vendor. I remember the time when he started off much like Dale Teague at the STi Mlist. For you young'ns STi Mlist used to be the premier bbs that we Scooby fanatics hang out.
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Old 05-25-2000, 05:08 PM   #2
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Did he update his prices also? I know there used to be some adjustment due to the Yen rate. Its good to know it was finally updated. The other companies were updating their sites and I had been waiting to see what he added to his product lineup. Its good to hear he is back at it.
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Old 05-25-2000, 05:23 PM   #3
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"At this time there is some controversy about the performance improvements offered by changing the air filter or exhaust on Subaru 2.2 and 2.5 engines. The basic rule is unless normally aspirated engines have their cams changed, not much will happen. There was a time when certain makes and models would immediately benefit form these types of changes. Times have changed."

Perhaps Mike forgot to update this part

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Old 05-25-2000, 05:51 PM   #4
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wahaha
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Old 05-25-2000, 05:59 PM   #5
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some of his prices has change.
notice the DMS 4000$ suspension kit (blueeeee)


however, mike shields NEEDS a better designed site in my opinion. That would be my next step if I was him
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Old 05-25-2000, 06:01 PM   #6
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shiv can you say..



(sorry that picture is too damn funny though heheh)

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Old 05-25-2000, 06:24 PM   #7
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In "Seats and Accessories" the pic of V6 seats is my car, hehe. When I bought them they were called V5 seats. LOL. Wow! My seats have grown up by 1 Version by themselves.
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Old 05-25-2000, 06:29 PM   #8
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The weakest link in the 2.5 motor is the crankshaft connecting rods. The end caps are too thin to take a lot of stress. The stress can be rotational or due to high power output.
Mike still hasn't updated any of the engine information. I wrote him once, asking him to explain the above statement. If you don't change the revlimit and you don't increase the peak pressure in the cylinder, but you only increase the mean pressure, then the rods see no more stress than they see in a stock engine. HP (or torque) is a measure of the mean pressure exerted against the pistons. By using proper ignition timing, you can add power to a car without altering the peak pressure by very much, but by doubling the mean pressure. That would double your HP and not add any stress to the engine internals. So, Mike is wrong.

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We recommend miving the red line down to 5200 rpm when going to 220hp output levels.
Based on what? Hello?!? 5200 rpm, I guess the engine will be safe because you'll be well below the peak power. Power increases, done correctly, don't necessitate lower RPMs. The peak force on the pistons and rods stays the same. Given that, there's no reason whatsoever to lower the RPM, unless it's to compensate for poor tuning.

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...As many of you know a 2.5 engine running flat at 130pmh+ lost a rod bearing this spring. Like, what did we say about this before, guys?
Like, a nearly bone stock 1.8L impreza - mine - has done 30 minutes to over 90 minutes on seperate occaisions, running 130 mph. Yeah, you heard me! Not my fault Rimmer used to think that the stock fuel system was sufficient. They went lean and had all sorts of problems. Plus, I'm guessing their timing was poor and thus not only did they go lean, but they probably also started detonating near TDC instead of making nice, controlled burns AFTER TDC.

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For those wanting the "Big Power", as a friend of mine calls it, these US engines need a change of pistons to lower the compression down to 8.5:1 or so. Then is is fairly easy to get 300hp from the the 2.5 SOHC engine with some hope of reliability.
Or you can just get a minnam kit, stick it onto an otherwise stock engine, add a tec-ii, and be done with it. And you avoid the poor emissions of a low compression motor, the poor off-boost performance, and the cost of working on internals.

If Mike had said 400 hp or something like that, then... okay, go to low compression.

Bah! If Mike wants to "update" the technical section, he should get rid of all his "old" knowledge and replace it with some scientifically backed "new" knowledge.

Otherwise, Mike's a great guy, SPD is a great company, and I have nothing bad to say about them. They're (he's) just trying too hard to teach the whole world something that he doesn't quite know himself. I admit I don't know it all, but I know enough to see problems in his logic.

And now that I lambasted the God himself, I'm ready for all your flames. I'm doubting everyone here is mature enough not to flame me (and rich, if you keep it civil, I'll be eternally grateful).

Joel

[edit]In what to drive, Mike says:
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97 2.5RS - it needs re-tuning in the suspension area and is what, $20k out the door? Hey, no substitute for cubic inches. Because they are new, they cost is much higher.
One more place where he needs updating. If someone has a '97 2.5RS, I think they should keep it as a collectors edition or something And I doubt it's in new condition

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Old 05-25-2000, 06:36 PM   #9
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You go, Joel. Yeah, I was thinking the same. I don't there is anyone that is running 8.5:1 pistons in a EJ25. So, how does he know if it is good for the car? At some point I was thinking to go that route. But then I though about it and decided to blow my motor first (if ever) then open it up and change psitons.
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Old 05-25-2000, 07:11 PM   #10
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Civil Joel must we......
Joel I agree ( uh-oh did I say that wait a minute....Lil Shiv AKA: Tech Jester/Tech Nazi/Tech GOD?/Cliff,Clifford,Cliffy{where's the cheer's LOL}/JYD........now I feel better ) on alot of stuff you stated and I honestly don't look to Mike for engine advice being as how yes he has been proven wrong and even with him right there (doing all the dirty work for Shiv ) about the "present's" that would be better spent on your Signifigant Other. But I do trust his suspension advice as he does know at least something about that as proven by his car.
So Joel does Mike Shield's the original "Mr. Subaru Tuner" himself (god as you called him )qualify as "God of rice" for the WRX decals he has on his 1.8L?
BWHAHAHAHA!!! Wonder if he is ever going to install that EJ20 he has had sitting around.
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Joel you better hurry with my crown since this one's getting tattered and heavy (remember....civilized).
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Old 05-25-2000, 07:36 PM   #11
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So Joel does Mike Shield's ... qualify as "God of rice" for the WRX decals he has on his 1.8L?
Yes.

I hear he once again won't be able to drive at the next event. It's too bad. I wanted to see how his 1.8L would fair against other scoobies. BTW, about his suspension advice? What's it based on? Price? He's driven a few of the suspensions, but he's admitted that he hasn't dyno'd the shocks, he hasn't run back-to-back comparisons, etc. He's just going by his opinion which is based on what he hears!

His car handles pretty good, but that's what happens when you put a $700 bushing set into the car and then stick on one of your expensive suspension systems. No creativity there...

I was very impressed with the way his car took those two on and off ramps that he takes everyone on. But before he becomes the suspension guru, to me, he needs again to back up what he says with some experience. At least he took off that silly comment he used to have by each suspension - "this one is good for 2 seconds on the track" Yeah, what track, any track? I'm glad that's gone

He's a great guy to learn the basics from. For more details, it takes some research. Fortunately, slowly, very slowly, Shiv (shut up Rich ) is getting us that research. He has to since no one else has done it before.

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Old 05-25-2000, 08:48 PM   #12
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Hey I have a small observation...please dont take offence to it, but dAMn Joel, you know I have never seen a small post from you before! Everytime I see your post I know its going to be long...hahahha, sorry just thought I would point that out I do enjoy the reading though
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Old 05-25-2000, 08:57 PM   #13
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Hello,

That's because I don't know how to shut up. It's one of those "help, I've started talking and I can't stop" situations

Oops. This one is short.

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Old 05-25-2000, 09:36 PM   #14
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Being serious for once in my life, Mprezya lay off of Clif... JYD for a while. I know I cant wait for the *big* showdown too, so I say leave the smack talk til a week before then. After all we all know who is going to win. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO WINS! Cuz infront of the millions.... and millions of subie fan byron's car will fly past his candy a$$.

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Old 05-25-2000, 09:38 PM   #15
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Oh by the way, I will start warning you all of my utterly useless posts. I already made over 700 of em!
But Joel & Mprezya still have me beat!
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Old 05-25-2000, 09:43 PM   #16
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Personally I think SPD updated it's page because I posted some research on pricing of KYB AGX's and it showed that they priced them the most expensive. He has now lowered them down to $17 more then PST - which I think is as low as he can get them. I talked to Rallispec and he said that they have stopped selling them for the sheer fact that they can't do any better then PST on them.

Also I noticed that the set of Eibach springs went down on the page as well. Now I just have to decide if I want some Eibach's to go with my AGX's or something else...
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Old 05-25-2000, 09:44 PM   #17
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I totally forgot about that big showdown thingy. So when is it and who's video taping it for the rest of us? Did Byron ever say if he would go to it? How many are going? Is Sev going to bring his BS flag or meter? That things like the Holy Hand Grenade in that Monty Python flick. Just damn funny. I laugh everytime I see it. Then again it may just be because they are painting in my office today and there aren't any windows.
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Old 05-25-2000, 11:09 PM   #18
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Hey Cliffy I think we found your buddy Norm=NickSTi .
Joel like I said I agree ( Not again with the agreeing aren't I supposed to bash him :0 .....Lil Shiv AKA: Tech Jester/Tech Nazi/Tech GOD?/Cliff,Clifford,Cliffy{we found NORM!!! LOL}/JYD........now I feel good again...man this crown is getting heavy hope the new one arrives soon ) with some of the stuff he says on suspension's (truth is i haven't ridden in his car though I have talked to him a few times and seen the stuff he has done and the difference it can make like the bushings). Far from a god and of course you said it best:
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He's a great guy to learn the basics from
And that is the truth and a good reason why people should at least take the basics he can show them.
I am glad Shiv (wow you mean you agree ) is actually giving us some actual real world test data/numbers and results. Granted it is slow and it's coming (heck they just now printed the GB rally a little while ago). The 98 project RS was too rushed and somewhat of a let down from what Shiv is doing by actually taking his time compared to the overly rushed 98.
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Old 05-26-2000, 01:50 AM   #19
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And I thought that site would never be updated. It did help ME learn the basics. Well, I guess I better see if they have part's for my elusive car. I'll be back. :razz:
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