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Old 12-19-2003, 05:46 PM   #1
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Default impreza L conversion questions..

so, right now i've got an RS and my insurance is just a JOKE. [costs more than my car payment] so I'm going to sell it and build a much faster car that my insurance company will believe is slower and therefore charge me less. bureaucracy is dumb.

AND so, I'm wondering where to begin. I want to build an L with AWD and i'm thinking the ej22t from a legacy turbo.

Do you guys think this is the best setup? Is the L AWD system any weaker than the RS setup? I'll be swapping the tranny and engine so would it be better for me to swap the whole drivetrain from a legacy and just buy a fwd L and do the whole awd conversion?

Also, for the brakes. L's have drums in the rear, i think? So will i need new hub assemblies and such as well? What OTHER things should I be thinking about when I make this conversion?

Since this is still a GC8 body, will most RS and WRX parts fit on it?

What about emissions and legalities? I live in WA state, and it doesn't appear to be that big of a deal here, but what do you think?

I'll be doing all the work myself and i'd like to try to keep the costs down as much as possible. What're your experiences? Any recommendations?

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Old 12-19-2003, 06:08 PM   #2
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Well the L doesnt have the rear LSD. Not a big deal though, the 02+ RS doesnt have it either. It would definatly be cheaper to get a car already with AWD, the AWD swap is expensive and annoying from what ive read from people who have done it. Not all L's have rear drums, mine has discs Most RS parts fit, yes. Emisions? If you get a OBD-I car, 95 or older, it can get away with a little more at emisions tests, but it makes it harder to do an engine swap.
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Old 12-19-2003, 06:46 PM   #3
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I would suggest getting an AWD L if anything. Doing the drivetrain swap seems too time consuming and highly unnessecary not to mention a total PITA. Unless you can find a legacy turbo motor/trans/harnes/ecm/crossmember and everything else you'll need you may as well pick up a WRX one for a little more and have a motor that has more power right out of the box. If you look hard enough and are patient you can find a WRX motor with under 30k for around $2000. If you do the work yourself you won't have to shell out any money for the labor but I wouldn't' recommend that unless you can read wiring diagrams well and are patient enough to splice the two harnesses together or swap out the on harness for the other but that is more work IMHO since nearly the entire interior must be removed.

As for the suspension bits alot of items will work on an L some won't do a search on those items as well as the whole L swap idea. There are several people who have done them and the search feature really works.

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Old 12-19-2003, 07:45 PM   #4
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yeah, i ran a few searches on the L swap already, but i didn't get many hits. i've read posts on swaps, but the questions i have weren't addressed.

i think you're right about the WRX engine though. i think i can probably get one of those. and the wiring--well, it will suck, but i'm thinking i can handle it.

is the LSD a big thing? does it really make that much of a difference?

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Old 12-20-2003, 12:04 AM   #5
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if u search my name u can find the 2.5 into L swap. tahts a piece of cake. EJ22t legacy is a bore. go for a real EJ20, JDM if u wish to have more power. info on rear drum--> disc swap is also avail online somwhere, guy has it documented online. ive done it myself. and the fwd--> awd. it is a looot of woork.

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Old 12-20-2003, 12:59 AM   #6
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a few months ago i saw an ej20t with tranny sell for 1000 bucks. it didn't even have that many miles on it. blarg.

i think you guys are right though. i'll get the awd L with the discs so i can save myself the time and money in the end. eventually i could always upgrade individual pieces rather than the whole setup [ie drivelines, axles, etc.]

anyone want to take over payments on a silverthorne 00RS?

haha,
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Old 12-20-2003, 01:12 AM   #7
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is the LSD a big thing? does it really make that much of a difference?

thanks,

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Not really, Ive been able to keep up with any scoobie in the corners. Its really the weight + tires + suspension setup that do the most.
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Old 12-20-2003, 02:00 AM   #8
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It can be noticed while driving in the snow; that is as far as I've compared.

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Old 12-20-2003, 04:08 PM   #9
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Ya, its somewhat noticable in bad traction situations, but thats about it. Oh, and the tires squeel a little more with it under hard cornering on dry pavement, but it doesnt really make you slower.
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Old 12-20-2003, 06:35 PM   #10
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After only having Scoobies with rear LSD's, this is my first winter in one without ('97 OB). It sucks if you're used to having rear LSD's because hanging the tail out isn't as easy or reliable. Plus, it's easier to get stuck if there's very little traction.
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Old 12-20-2003, 07:26 PM   #11
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I decided that the insurance would be too much with an RS and went with a 94 L and did an 02 WRX engine swap....soooo much faster than an RS...only about 3 seconds off of the qaurter mile
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Old 12-20-2003, 09:08 PM   #12
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haha, not bad at all. a GC8 WRX is nice. you dont see those everyday anyway.

thanks for the advice guys!

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Old 12-21-2003, 12:29 AM   #13
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Hey Homemade is your L 2 door or 4 door (new here, sorry) also are there pictures anywhere of it?

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Old 12-21-2003, 01:02 AM   #14
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yeah 4 door...I hope to get some pictures up once I get my new hood, and my springs on there...
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Old 12-21-2003, 06:18 AM   #15
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after 95 there were 2 doors avail. pre 95 is all 2 door.

4 door rox.

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Old 12-21-2003, 10:42 AM   #16
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pre 95 is all 4 door....is that what you meant?
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Old 12-21-2003, 01:26 PM   #17
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Definitely go EJ20. If you're concerned about legality, do a USDM EJ20 swap. Wiring will be more of a hassle with the USDM EJ205, though, but at least the diagrams are easier to come by then if you go with an early jdm EJ20G ('93-96). I would go LSD rear personally. This is not a project to half ass, imo.

In NJ, 4 doors cost less to insure, too, so keep that in mind.

Also, you stand to lose out if the car gets into an accident. I put over $20 G's into my first swap ('94 Impreza L AWD = 2580 lbs baby!) and after 19k miles w/it, in 2002, I made one bad decision, and slid into a tree on a backroad. It was estimated at like $4200 of damage, IIRC, so they totaled it, whereas if it was an RS, they would have fixed it. Of course, I bought the salvage back, and parted it all out, but that was a very sad time in my life, since I poured myself into that car, and in every way shape and form it looked like a brand new car. You'll have to weigh your options carefully. Of course, I'm at it again, with two Impreza projects on the side, a '94, and a '93. The '94 should hopefully be done within 2 weeks, then I'll start pulling the motor out of the '93 and deciding what to do with that car.
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Old 12-21-2003, 02:06 PM   #18
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yeah, i hear ya on the insurance side of things.

it's a constant battle with those bastards. but, since i'm 19, even if i total an L with a wrx swap 3 times, it'll still be less than i'm paying for insurance on the RS. ...and i've never had a ticket or an accident .

is there any difference between the 2.2L and 1.8L L's? as far as drivetrain goes or other differences? what about the 4 doors as well? i love the look of the 4 door GC8 body, but is there a big difference in the weight and controlability? i know with the RS there's only a 50 lb difference thats it.

which models come with the rear discs?

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Old 12-21-2003, 02:36 PM   #19
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accually the 4 doors are lighter from what I've seen and heard from other people. also since a 4 door is longer more of the weight is spread towards the rear so the car isn't as front end heavy as a shorter car would have. I believe the drivetrain's the same in the 1.8 to 2.2. the LX came with rear disc's but the LX's only came in automatic too so I don't know what other models came with rear disc
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accually the 4 doors are lighter from what I've seen and heard from other people. also since a 4 door is longer more of the weight is spread towards the rear so the car isn't as front end heavy as a shorter car would have. I believe the drivetrain's the same in the 1.8 to 2.2. the LX came with rear disc's but the LX's only came in automatic too so I don't know what other models came with rear disc
4 doors and two doors are same length. Sideskirts from 2 doors fit 4 doors, and propeller shafts from one fit the other, etc. Not sure how weight distribution is affected, but probably not really any different.

1.8 and 2.2's appear to have the exact same drivetrains, from what I've seen.

Rear discs might have to be replaced with rear brakes from a car that was equipped with LSD rear, unless the LSD axles fit up, which I doubt.
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Old 12-21-2003, 03:07 PM   #21
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disc from any car will bolt up. lsd or not lsd. nothing lsd has anything to do with axels. only differance LSD has is differnt shaped axels on the diff side,not the hub side.

its easy to do a disc conversion. $400 should do it. u hav ehte option of getting bigger discs than u could ever get stock anyway, so its not a bad deal.

word on street is that the 4 door is 5 lbs lighter thna 2 door. somthing like htat. get whichever one u wish.

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Old 12-21-2003, 05:55 PM   #22
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um my 94 L had disc brakes in the rear because it had the ABS package...my 96 brighton had no ABS but a much better brake feel...never locked it up once....
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yeah. we are biased AGAINST ABS. abs = bad. go for a disc car, and just do swap. lighter cheaper etc.

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An L will add a/c, nicer interior, power windows etc. if that's important to you. Drive train and mechanicals are mostly the same except for the bigger engine in years 95 up.
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Old 12-23-2003, 03:26 AM   #25
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is the 2.2L awd system any beefier than the 1.8L setup?

is the LSD setup any beefier than the non-lsd design?

can RS wheels fit on a L without any problems?

...just a few more questions!

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