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Old 08-30-2000, 11:06 AM   #1
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Post When it rains, it pours : another Ford recall.

SAN FRANCISCO A
California judge said he may
order a recall of as many as 2
million Ford Motor vehicles
over concerns that the vehicles
are prone to stalling. The judge's
preliminary decision came late
Tuesday in a lawsuit first filed in 1996 on behalf of 3.5
million current and former California owners of Ford
vehicles in model years 1983-95. The lawsuit says the
vehicles stall because an ignition device was mounted in
the wrong place. Ford denies any ignition defects and
said it would ask the judge to reverse his preliminary
decision.
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Old 08-30-2000, 11:17 AM   #2
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FORD - Found On Road Dead.

Man...ya know, it's been a while since there was a shake-up like this in the big 3. I'm sure the other 2 are saying, whew, good thing it wasn't us.

The last shakeup was when Chrysler was almost bankrupt and Iacocca came in....Horizon revamped Chrysler..then the "Mini-Van"...they walked away with the profits while Ford and GM were like...ummmm "People are actually buying that thing?"

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Old 08-30-2000, 11:23 AM   #3
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You mean "Fix Or Repair Daily"
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Old 08-30-2000, 11:31 AM   #4
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my dad works for ford. when he saw my impreza in my driveway, he almost sh*&!!
ford can't build a car like that!! nowbody does!!
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Old 08-30-2000, 02:28 PM   #5
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I think these may be US Focuses. (Foci?) I know someone who had their brand new focus stall dead in the middle of the road many times even after many trips back to the dealer for service. Plus it got terrible mileage and made bad sounds! Finally, after much resistance, Ford gave them a new Focus--but wouldn't give them their money back. Now they are waiting for it to happen again. They heard that their situation was not uncommon with a US Focus, and that possibly it was a computer-related issue. But the dealer and Ford were both pretty clueless. Even after trying a different dealer for service.
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Old 08-30-2000, 02:39 PM   #6
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THAT is why the Focus R or Cosworth don't exite me. I've owned a Ford berfore, and I've driven one lately - CRAP (on a good day)
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Old 08-30-2000, 02:50 PM   #7
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On the wall at Teagues auto is a sticker that was placed there by Dale's father. It reads "Friends don't let friends drive Fords!" I laughed my ass of the first time I read that, and I used to own a Mustang that I loved dearly until it gave its life to that poplar tree while saving mine.
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Old 08-30-2000, 02:55 PM   #8
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You've obviously never driven a cosworth or you wouldn't be talking so much smack - Yes the bulk of Fords in the US suck but you can't compare the US fords to the European Fords - different as chalk and cheese

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Old 08-30-2000, 03:07 PM   #9
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I work for ford and havent heard this recall, yet, if its true, o boy we are in for some fun.
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Old 08-30-2000, 03:33 PM   #10
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Talking about ford problems, listen to this one. A friend where I grew up bought a brand new ranger in 1995 after graduating high school. He got the fully decked out extra cab, 4.0 v6, all options. After a few tanks of gas he started to notice how bad his gas mileage was and took it back to the dealer. The found that the front end was out of alignment and might be causing the problem. After repeated tries at fixing the alignment they decided to call the factory (a good friend of ours was Frank Verducci the owner of Serramonte Ford). It turns out that there was an accident report filed from the factory that his truck had been in some sort of accident before it was sold to the dealer and had supposedly been fixed at the factory. There was frame damage that went unnoticed and was causing the problems with the alignment. We never found out what the reason for the bad mileage was, but the tech figured it was probably something to do with the accident. He got another truck and since it was so new, they transferred his loan and everything with very little work. He was getting about 16 freeway and 14 city for a 160hp 4.0 v6 that got 20 city and 23 fwy in my truck.

How does this type of thing happen?

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Old 08-30-2000, 06:08 PM   #11
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In my experience, every Ford that my family has owned (the only exception being my Uncle's '89 Taurus SHO (engine by Yamaha)) has been a giant piece of ****. Based on my experiences with Ford Motor Company and their inferior products, I will never buy one.
I like the new Cougar's looks, but isn't it funny that because it's a Ford they are ceasing production in 2002?
The Mustang is a 22-year old platform with fresh (although that too is debateable) bodywork.
The V-6's in the Thunderturds & Cougars of the '80's (I had an '88 ) were basically Ford's small block V-8 with two cylinders lopped off and externally balanced. That is what happens when marketing gets in the way of engineering.
Ford is also going to lose money on the next Taurus-so much that in this developmental stage they are thinking of scrapping the whole thing and rebadging an existing Volvo (imagine that - a boxy Taurus).
Well, I don't mean to offend anyone, but as you can see I severely dislike Ford.
Would I buy a Subaru again? Hell Yeah!! I'm waiting for the "rumored" WRX and/or turbo Impreza to cross over to the U.S. Until then I will keep driving my '92 Legacy, which I think the only think it could really benefit from is around 70 extra horses (for a grand total of 200 bhp).
My parents have a '93 Tracer (with the Mazda engine) that has gone to Hell in a Handbasket in its seven short years of life. They are currently trying to ditch it and buy a Subaru.

Just my $.02
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Old 08-30-2000, 06:15 PM   #12
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hehe..

Read in reverse, driver returns on foot and f'ed on race day. I don't know what is wrong with American Fords. I haven't heard anything about the Mondeos (Contours) though.
That was probably (with the Probe) the most reliable of the Ford bunch and they have been deleted out of the lineup. tsk tsk tsk..

How many major recalls from ford now? 3 or 4 in the past decade? It's a wonder how this company isn't bankrupt yet. I have always wondered where have all the good cars gone...

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Old 08-30-2000, 06:44 PM   #13
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Well my stepdad's Probe GT was a POS too. It's a 95. Alternator broke after 3rd year. then more problems.... oil started to leak for no reason.... the a/c fan started to go beserk. I dunno. He says never a FORD! Or any North American car!
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Old 08-30-2000, 08:33 PM   #14
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Well, I'm biased, being a Mustang owner, but I just don't see it. My family has owned a number of Fords over the years - three Crown Vic wagons, four Thunderbirds, and two Mustangs. I honestly can't think of too many "quality" problems, particularly in the newer generation (my mother's last couple of T-birds). I can't think of a single fault having affected my mother's current T-bird. My Mustang has had it's ups and downs, but a lot of the problems have been brought on by myself due to the extensive (poorly done) modifications.

As for the problem and the *potential* recall, it relates to the TFI module (part of the ignition system) on 83-95 5.0L engines from what I understand. I've read a couple places that you should always carry an extra TFI module around, they're cheap and easy to replace, and they're prone to failure. If it fails, you don't get any spark any more, so the car will stall. I've read that, and yet I've never met a single Mustang owner who has had a problem with the TFI module. I'm not sure what the deal is with that - maybe we're just lucky.

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Old 08-30-2000, 08:46 PM   #15
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I've owned 5 Fords and never had a major problem.

Lone Wolf 75, the current Mustang shares little with the Fox platform built in 1978.
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Old 08-30-2000, 08:50 PM   #16
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I too have had good experiences with Ford's.

My Dad has an '87 Ford truck with over 300,000km's and all its had (other than regular fluid changes) is new seals/gaskets, two timing belts, and two sets of shocks. The thing just doesn't die. Its his work truck so it gets worked very hard. In fact, the body work is starting to really rust, but the drivetrain is incredible.

Also, before my wife and I got the Y2K Legacy, we owned a '91 Explorer with the 4.0 V6 and it was a great motor. The only real problem we had with the Explorer was the auto-locking hubs for the 4WD, but we sold it with 265,000km on the odometer. I'm sure the present owner put about $1000 for the new front hubs and its A okay.

In addition, my present work vehicle is a '97 Ford Taurus and I haven't had a single problem with it (presently 130,000km's).

All of that being said, a Ford will NEVER be a Subaru.

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Old 08-30-2000, 08:52 PM   #17
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I'll have to echo Pat's thoughts on the matter here. I've owned four Ford Rangers, with two of them being extensively modified (302cu V8's). Aside from the problems brought on by myself while I was still in the experimental stage (read as "guess that wire didn't go there" ... and "why is my amplifier on fire"). These trucks took the beating I gave them and all but one was sold in workable condition. I still have my last one. It's currently being disassembled and the parts are going into a Jeep.
Blatantly stereotyping a company that's been in this business for as long as Ford has as a "crappy company" with "****ty product" always brings a humorous smile to my face. I'm sure there's a few of us that can engineer a vehicle, market it, and profit off of it enough so that we emerge in the top three producers over a period of 50 years. Personally if you feel you're one of those select few I'd like to sample some of the crack you're smoking.

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Old 08-31-2000, 01:09 AM   #18
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I owned a 1978 Ford Ranger F series 4X4 with the 390 engine. Great truck! Loved and drove the hell out of that thing. My dad owned one before that. My mom had a mid 80's Thunderbird that was a POS though. Nothing but problems with it until the day my dad took it to a wrecking yard and told them to crush it. Never saw him that mad before. He ended up buying my mom a Honda later that week. Not all Fords are bad. Everybody has a lemon in the group somewhere. This latest thing with Ford does look like its getting to be too much of a coincidence. Especially since they knew of the tire problem since 1998 and didn't do anything about it until the lawsuits this summer. Even then it was because the lawsuits were more then the cost of replacing them. I do think Firestone and Ford working together has come to an end.
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Old 08-31-2000, 06:38 AM   #19
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How's this for Ford quality?

My dad bought a Maverick in 1973 and no more than 400 miles from the show room floor, it broke down! Ford makes great trucks, but when it comes to cars....Pinto? Maverick? T-bird?
Mama Mia!

I know all car manufacturers make lemons once in a while but Ford seems to do it more often than everyone else.
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Old 08-31-2000, 08:42 AM   #20
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I definitely can't say anything bad about Ford Trucks other than the above post. That is the only truck that I've heard of with problems from the factory. My uncle has always had Ford trucks before buying his new Yukon, 1 tons for towing boats and trailers, and a good friend has an early 80's diesel with 400k total miles on his second engine. He's got the 7.2 and still lights up the posi. The thing won't die. I'm actually thinking about getting a 4WD late 90's Ranger for my g/f if the new turbo Impreza isn't what I want.

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Old 08-31-2000, 08:52 AM   #21
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I think Ford SUX
The only things they should keep making are big trucks and maybe the Crown Vic and Mustang. Other than that, they suck. BTW, just for the record, I would buy any of the Ford products that I just mentioned.
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Old 08-31-2000, 09:29 AM   #22
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Hmmm...

I think the Taurus engines aren't made by ford but by Yamaha. The SHO engine they made years back was in general, a great, reliable engine.

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Old 08-31-2000, 09:30 AM   #23
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Hmmm...

I think the Taurus engines aren't made by ford but by Yamaha. The SHO engine they made years back was in general, a great, reliable engine.

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Old 08-31-2000, 10:00 AM   #24
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What do you guys think about that Ford SVT Lightning truck. It's got a lot of power, and it's pretty nice looking.
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Old 08-31-2000, 07:43 PM   #25
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Okay, so maybe I was a little harsh on Fords. And the bit about the Mustang being 22 years old, well I read a Road & Track article before the '93 came out and they equviocated the car as new bodywork on an old platform. I know that was awhile ago and Ford has jumped forward in the design of the newer Mustangs, especially in the suspension department, while Chevy still uses a live rear axle. Talk about a primative suspension - one of my friends has a '98 Camaro and when you hit a small bump it makes your teeth rattle. But, I did test drive a 1999 Mustang last year, and I was shocked to find the same exact stereo in my friend's 1989 Probe.

Ford does make pretty decent trucks, I have heard that again and again. Unfortunately, like I said before, every single Ford car that I have encountered in my life has had major problems, enough that I would not buy another one.

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