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Old 05-24-2000, 02:42 PM   #1
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Angry First time getting pulled over in my scooby

Yeah, so today I christened the scooby with it's first time getting pulled over. Now I am the type of person that when road conditions are suitable, dry and empty, likes to feel the power of the scooby. I constantly push the AWD to it's limits, whipping around corners at some rather high speeds (once again, when roads are suitable to do so) Never once have I been stopped for this, NEVER. But today, I GET PULLED OVER FOR NOT WEARING MY SEATBELT. Now come on here, this is very much NOT a threat to anyone else on the road, and I counted at least fifteen people drive by either speeding or also not wearing their seatbelts as a$$hole cop takes him time writing my ticket. I am all for police officers doing their jobs and doing them well, but this is just plain annoying. Thanks for letting me vent a little. BUCKLE UP!
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Old 05-24-2000, 02:50 PM   #2
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Buckle up, there are no excuses.

Once a driver becomes a projectile, he/she also becomes a monetary liability, thus _threat_ to local emergency services, taxpayers, witnesses, relatives, etc. How can you imitate pro-drivers, when you can't feel your car whenever your butt-dyno slides all over the place?

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Old 05-24-2000, 03:23 PM   #3
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Where did this happen--KISCO I bet,
Well I'll ask you later--
Buckle up all--the life you save will be your own--
This PSA has been Brought to you by SOA, A division of FHI---NOW HURRY UP WITH THE TURBO
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Old 05-24-2000, 03:52 PM   #4
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I'm lucky, I have auto shoulder belt on my car. But you should always wear your seatbelt
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Old 05-24-2000, 04:11 PM   #5
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I'm lucky, I have auto shoulder belt on my legacy. You should always wear your seatbelt. You can replace a car, but not a life.
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Old 05-24-2000, 04:13 PM   #6
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I'm lucky, I have auto shoulder belt on my legacy. You should always wear your seatbelt. You can replace a car, but not a life.
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Old 05-24-2000, 04:47 PM   #7
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huh, what did you say?
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Old 05-24-2000, 07:04 PM   #8
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Wearing my seatbelt was a habit that was hard for me to accept. Now FINALLY I am at the point that Im paranoid to not wear it.

For some reason my 00RS must have a big @#$%ing target painted on the side of it that I cant see. Everytime I get on the road I think someone is trying to kill me. I mean the RS is a fairly high profile car, why dont people notice it when they are pulling into traffic? Is it because that acually WANT a accident with it since its a nice car?

I have been in more near-fights and road rage after getting this car and I have no idea. I had spent time in much faster cars, and cars that people REALLY want to get into accidents with (ie Porsche), everyone wants to get paid after getting in a accident with a Porsche... But the Subey? I cant figger it out.

Anyway back to the topic, I always wear it, 99% of the time anyway.. And for that reason, I will pull up next to a cop that ISNT wearing his and honk my horn at them and gesture to their belt. Sure pisses them off, some laff, but in the end Im legit, come pull me over..
Has anyone EVER noticed how many coppers DONT wear their belts?
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Old 05-24-2000, 07:30 PM   #9
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Well what really bothers me is that I normally, I DO have my seatbelt on. I know there is really no excuse, but I had just gotten a cup of coffee, and when I saw the police standing there checking registrations (and seatbelts), I figured it would be too obvious to put it on. Oh well, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. I'll have it on ALL THE TIME now.
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Old 05-25-2000, 06:07 AM   #10
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It is a little ridiculous, I'll admit. But the "seatbelt" thing is usually used as a fishing expedition if the officer doesn't like the look of you. Well, there's good cops and bad cops - looks like you ended up with a wanker..

As to why cops don't wear seatbelts - as unsafe as it seems, they need to be able to get in and out of their car quickly - and that huge belt they where will usually catch on the belt.. I've got a cabin in the middle of nowhere in PA, and will often wear a pistol when I'm on my property - and I've gotten caught on the seatbelt a coupla times. I can only imagine the problem when I've got that huge utility belt and some pissed off guy running towards my car.

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Old 05-25-2000, 09:29 AM   #11
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Basil, so the fact that they may need to get out of the car puts them about a national law?

Dont go defending a police officer for blatantly breaking the same law that IMPREZIVE was issued a ticket for.

Police are to set an example, and if I tell the oficer that "i need to get out of my car quickly" what do you think he's going to tell me.

Don't even go there..
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Old 05-25-2000, 10:40 AM   #12
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Just relating what I was told, and that I could see the point of view.. I certainly wouldn't wanna get killed because I can't exit my vehicle and get my service weapon deployed.. Cops do live under different circumstances than the rest of us, and while our "getting out of the car" is merely that, their "getting out of the car" might very well consist of "getting of the car under fire, and taking cover behind the door.." While this is, assuredly, an extreme case, I know when somebody starts shooting at me, the first thing I'm gonna wanna do is get behind some sort of cover, and then shoot back. And undoing a seatbelt under stress, and then NOT getting it caught, WHILE I'm trying to pull my pistol out of a high retention holster, is not something I'd wanna have to mess with.. I've shot several IDPA (International Defensive Pistol Association) events, and know that merely drawing and shooting under the timer is tough enough - I can't imagine what it'd be like with someone shooting back. I'm not sure if you've ever done that sort of shooting, but it's not as easy as it looks. I'd be more than happy to take you to a range and demonstrate - I'll even pay for the ammo. I am being serious, not trying to piss anyone off here.. No flames needed.. I think this is a case in which police have a valid excuse - I don't condone their off-duty speeding, profiling, etc - but this is more of an issue of self preservation.

As to telling them the same thing, are you normally in a position that you could be killed at every traffic stop? I'm a sysadmin, and I know that I don't have to worry about the users shooting me everytime I make a change (okay, maybe sometimes..) But every time that cop makes a stop, or responds to a message, his life might very well depend on just that - getting out of the car quickly..

Incidentally, the fellow who gave me this reason wears his seatbelt when not on duty..

I'm certainly not defending police breaking the laws - nothing burns me up more than seeing a cop car speed down the highway with the cop and his wife in the car. Merely explaining the possible reasoning be it. Personally, I think if you don't wanna wear your seatbelt, that's fine - don't.. Just like helmet laws.. Ya wanna know what I call it?

Thinning the herd...

Anywho, I agree - he shouldn't have gotten a ticket - like I said, the cop was probably fishing for other violations, couldn't find any, and got pissed. I would've expected a warning, and been just as pissed about the ticket. As he said, it was a fluke that he wasn't wearing his seatbelt.

(Have I edited this enough times yet?!?! hehe)

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Old 05-25-2000, 10:49 AM   #13
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They don't need to wear seat belts... they've got AIR BAGS!!!
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Old 05-25-2000, 01:23 PM   #14
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Thrown clear? HAHA, thrown clear into the windshield which will bounce ur head like a watermelon?

Nick - You build a fool-proof system and man builds a better fool.
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Old 05-25-2000, 01:47 PM   #15
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Hope this is appropriate:

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Old 05-25-2000, 02:09 PM   #16
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the first car accident i was in was a rollover... i was a passenger... no seatbelt... i walked away... don't know HOW... but from that day on... seatbelt where ever i go.

Airbags are for people that don't wear their seatbelts... er... except in Nicks case...

I am not sure WHAT that is!!
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Old 05-25-2000, 03:17 PM   #17
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Interesting story (I hope). My first Sube ticket was also for no seatbelt. I wear them religiously. In this situation, I was pulled over for speeding in New York. As the Trooper was approaching my car, I undid my seatbelt to reach over to the glovebox to get my registration. I told him I thought I was doing about 87. He told me I was doing 83 in a 65. He gave me the option - either take the no point, cheap ticket for no seatbelt, or he would write me the speeding ticket. He knew that I was wearing my belt when he pulled me over. I took the cheap-o ticket and never looked back. Now, my registration rides in my dash-top bin.
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Old 05-25-2000, 05:40 PM   #18
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If a cop isnt wearing his seatbelt, he's breaking the law, if he is traveling above the posted speed limit while not in persuit, he's breaking the law. Many times I have slid into the fast lane behind one of Illinois finest traveling at 80ish mph. I have never been pulled over for it either (knock on wood) The way I look at it, the police are setting the standards for safe driving right? If he's traveling that speed it must be OK to travel that speed. What do I know, maybe my speedometer was out of calibration and I just though he was going the proper speed.

Here's a scenereo:

Copper's not wearing his seatbelt.
His donuts are stowed in a safe position on the passenger floor.
Copper wants a donut.
Is it ok for the copper to not wear his seatbelt because at any moment he may need to reach for a donut?

I mean, he may just be dying to have a donut.
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Old 05-25-2000, 06:29 PM   #19
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Its those damn people who don't wear seatbelts (most of the time, not necessarily anyone posting here) who have caused us to get those god forsaken air bags. I can't stand the things. If they wanted to make it a law that the car won't start without fastening a five point safety harness I wouldn't complain, but I hate a large object punching me in the face at high speeds...
(ps I've heard airbags are illegal in some EU countries. Anyone know which countries?)
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Old 05-25-2000, 08:06 PM   #20
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here's a question for you all...when my race harness comes in, should i also at the same time file permits for airbag disarming, or leave it on. Also should i leave my regular seat belt in there, or just buckle the race like a regular belt. Thanks.
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Old 05-25-2000, 09:04 PM   #21
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You could always just move to New Hampshire and not have to worry about the seatbelt arguement at all.....

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Old 05-25-2000, 09:19 PM   #22
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If the cop can use the arguement that he has to be able to get to his gun then what about areas with the high carjacking rate. The same could be said for the average driver in those areas.
I know a few cops who speed pretty much all the time. The only redeemable thing about it is they only issue tickets if your dumb enough to actually pass them. If your dumb enough to pass a already speeding policeman then fine get a ticket.
If you want to not wear a setbelt you should declare that right on your drivers license. That way if youhave an accident and you are seriously hurt and end up on life support we can bill everyone of your family for your care. That or pull the plug. I shouldn't have to flip your bill. This all falls back on the premise of building a Nerf World.
Somethings are common sense. Driving a 2000lb piece of steel is dangerous. The whole helmet law for motorcycles in my opinion is also pointless. I personally wear my seatbelt all the time. Then again I have been in a couple accidents already.
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Old 05-26-2000, 12:30 AM   #23
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8Complex ~~ I REALLY hope that you are joking. Airbags are supplemental restraints, while seat belts are primary. Further, airbags are actually more dangerous for the person without a seatbelt than to a person without a seatbelt and airbags.

NJ just changed its seatbelt law to allow police to pull you over for not wearing a seat belt. Previously they could only cite you for failure if they pulled you over for some other violation.

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PS. Reminds me of my mother-in-law once saying, "I don't want to wear a seatbelt. I'd rather be thrown clear." Dumbass...
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Old 05-26-2000, 02:19 AM   #24
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A few years ago, I got pulled over by a local officer for pacing a state trooper. Without a word from me, he said that he was going to radio in and find out if the trooper was on a call. If he was, I was getting a ticket, if not, I'd have no worries. No ticket for this fat guy.
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Old 05-26-2000, 05:38 AM   #25
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Suspect is a uh, man, driving a uh, car, going uh, you know, towards that place that has chili - suspect is hatless, repeat, hatless..

Well, I try not to worry about it - yep, the cops are supposed to be setting the standards.. And knowing me, I probably would have been a smartass and asked him if he wears his all the time.. Which, of course, would have been the wrong thing to do..

The best way to beat a carjacker? Fist driving holsters - it's a crossdraw that can change cants very easily - vertical for carry, a very nearly horizontal cant for driving.. Nothing like a cocked and locked Hi-Power to discourage those pesky carjackers.. Alas, that's illegal here in MD.. Oh well..

n/a - I think the government is trying to protect us from ourselves.. "Oh, you're not smart enough to wear a seatbelt, we'll make you wear one.." I'm really sick of that kind of mentality.. I do a perfectly good job of surviving on my own, thank you, without big brother looking over my shoulder.. Like I said - don't wanna wear a seatbelt? Fine - you'll probably turn into a good lesson for darwinism.. It's the lefties in government, and the people who sue at the drop of a hat that are bringing this on.. Oh well..

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