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Old 05-24-2000, 05:02 AM   #1
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Question Brothers buying a Celica GTS TRD car..?

Any thoughts on it. It is a TRD package, with Pirelli tires, suspesion ect. Anyone know much about it? And whats your take on the regular GTS's?

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Old 05-24-2000, 05:20 AM   #2
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I work for a Toyota dealer in the clean up dept part time. The TRD Celica is a nice car. The price is somewhat worth it figuring it does come with the body kit and the axis wheels. As far as performance goes it is no different really than a GTS. The car is quite nimble runner against the likes to the Acura Integra. The Stillen Celica out at the shows now with 500hp and all trac is awesome, but I highly doubt it will become available to the likes of you and I. Surprisingly most of the Celicas sold are to women in their 20's.
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Old 05-24-2000, 05:24 AM   #3
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Yeah, all the celica's i've seen were GT's and had women driving them. The 3 GTS's around here i saw, had guys drving them. My borhter is 23, and bought a 2000 AUTO V6 Firebird. So you see, I told him (since he does not want the same car I have) to get a Celica GTS. There nice little cars, and as far as snow and such, he has an F150. I think he should get a suby, but...at least I am getting him thinking about loseing that darn V6 piece of chit.

For a body kit, and suspension and the decals (and tires!), they seem to want a lot for it. The dealer said, around 26000 i do believe...

wouldnt it be easier to get a GTS, and add suspension, tires, and the new body kit for them?

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Old 05-24-2000, 05:34 AM   #4
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Isn't the new Celica the one you have to rev the hell out of to generate any power? At least that is what I saw on Motorweek or one of those other shows on TV before. $26K does sound like a high price. If he is willing to pay that much for a car then just tell him to drive the old one around for a while longer and wait for the turbo to come out. At least then you won't own the same car, just be in the same family of car. Plus if you turbo your RS then we can see some head to head tests of a turbo RS against the factory turbo Impreza.
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Old 05-24-2000, 05:35 AM   #5
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I looked at buying one of these before I decided on the Impreza. By comparison, I think the GTS, TRD or otherwise is simply inferior.
I drove this car and didn't like it. Although the handling is excellent, it seemed a lot like driving a car with huge turbo lag. It's power doesn't kick in until you're above 6000 rpm. I couldn't get it to shift smoothly below 5500 rpm either.
It is also very cramped. The dash is high and in your face. On the passenger side, you have plenty of room and long as you keep your legs pointed straight ahead. The engine takes up all but about 1" of the engine compartment. If you like hard seats, those seats provide great support.
Most of the TRD GTS modifications are cosmetic. But the suspension is excellent.
Lastly, it is way overpriced. When spending that much money, I think a person should just buy a better car.
Check it out at www.trdusa.com
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Old 05-24-2000, 05:40 AM   #6
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Yeah, the TRD i think is out of the question. But rather the regular GTS. You DO HAVE TO rev the hell out of it to get power, as it red lines at 7800. It reminds me of VTEC, ya know. It does handle ok, and the seats are firm. Him waiting for the Turbo is not an option, as when they do come out I will tell him (since I am the scooby expert of the family) that they are new, cant handle and have had MAJOR problems with them in the UK. I will then offer him my car, which he loves, so he would buy. Then the next day, I will arrive home with my new Turbo. My excuse, well...What ever could I tell him? hehe

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Old 05-24-2000, 05:41 AM   #7
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My .02, get a girlfriend who drives one , payments will be a little less, and make sure he takes her out on a lease, about a year should be good. Her resale value may go down, so make sure he takes good care of her, or he may get stuck with a junker the rest of his life.

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Old 05-24-2000, 05:47 AM   #8
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Wolve-wouldn't that actually be considered a Rent-To-Own Policy? Kind of like free agency after the first year like in pro sports? Wait nevermind I see this getting out of hand already. Can't have Alex closing threads everyday.
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Old 05-24-2000, 05:47 AM   #9
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girlfriend = payments a little less

no no no no

girlfriend = payments for things you will never see

Lease? No way, cause if it sucks, then your stuck with her for a certain period of time....

Take good care of her, in fear of re-sale value? Hahahaha, use and abuse, so you know you got your moneys worth, then when your done, put it where she belongs, the junk yard.

OR!!

Part her out to needy suby owners.

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Old 05-24-2000, 08:55 AM   #10
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They quoted him 26,740, saying the package cost them 3600. Is that close to what you heard or what? What other cars are out there, for that price range (under 24000) that you guys can recomend...?

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Old 05-24-2000, 09:51 AM   #11
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I test drove one becuase I was deciding between my scooby and the celica. The thing is an absolute slug before 6000. It's pretty fun if you keep your shifts up their. Too bad the car doesn't have more low end torque and an all trac system like the good old days.
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Old 05-24-2000, 10:00 AM   #12
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That is about right on the price of the TRD Celica GTS. Other cars out there for that price range. Try a used Audi A4 1.8t, New VW Golf 1.8t, Eagle Talon AWD Turbo, and Eclipse AWD Turbo. Those are about the only newer ones out that would be offered in AWD. However you can go used and check out a Mazad 323 GTX, Audi Gt Coupe, All-trac Celica, and Mitsu Galant VR4. Those are some other options to check into. All will definitely beat the car he has now.
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Old 05-24-2000, 11:15 AM   #13
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the car he has now is a terd, he knows that. And women dont exactly like them...

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Old 05-24-2000, 11:27 AM   #14
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To be honest I was a Toyota fan before I was the huge Subie fan I am today. Therefore, I was excited to hear about the new Celica a year ago. However, it seems to me that Toyota has made the successor to the Integra. I love what I have heard about the handling and brakes but the lack of outward visibility and FWD are BIG negatives. Not to mention the fact that it has to be drivin' above 5K all the time.
All in all I am disappointed with the new car. I would have hoped Toyota moved away from Honda type cars not towards them.
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Old 05-24-2000, 05:33 PM   #15
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Well said Mel. most of the same reasons I didn't get one. I belonged to the Celica site before I fell in love with my car and lot of them complained about not having enough low end grunt. Maybe he should get a Integra. I've seen dealers give great deals on that car. Probably due to the competition and the fact that the model is soon to be changed.
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Old 05-24-2000, 06:07 PM   #16
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I dunno about the prices I see in this thread. Carsdirect sells the GTS for $20k plus tax/license/fees etc. Even if the TRD package cost $3600, that's under $24k. But the TRD package isn't worth it. Start with the $20k package and spend $4k on whatever else you want.

I dunno. I want to rent one for the track to see what it's like at the track, but my limited driving of the car (my fiancee's sister had me find her one) showed me that it's a great little car. While pushing it hard, the understeer wasn't that bad. The car accellerates well, especially if you keep the revs up - which isn't as bad as y'all make it sound. You're just used to the scooby, which, in turn, needs really high revs compared to 6 and 8 cylinder cars.

I really liked the car and I thought the FWD, while not really sports-car like, worked pretty well for a FWD car Also, the steady-state cornering was pretty awesome. There's a 4-leaf clover of onramps and offramps nearby that is pretty clear of other cars usually. You can go onto the freeway, off, onto, off, onto, off and back to the begining without ever having to slow down. I was able to induce oversteer, understeer, etc.

Anyway, I just thought I'd defend the car. I wouldn't get one, but I really liked it. If they made a convertible, AWD version, slightly dropped the compression and added a turbo or supercharger (but not switched to the lower-rpm engine), then I'd get one

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Old 05-24-2000, 06:08 PM   #17
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The Toyotas and Lexi that have VVT and it's siblings are the same as V-TEC, Honda's patent ran out a couple years ago. You will see this in more cars, Nissan and Mazda, one of which already has a car out with it.
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Old 05-24-2000, 06:29 PM   #18
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The Toyota system on the GTS is similar to VTEC but not the same. I wouldn't say the GTS VVTI-L system is any better than the VTEC but is is more advanced. Won't go into great detail, baisically the Toyota system can vary the point that it switches cam lobes while the Honda system is a set point. The new Honda's that will be comming out in the next few years will have a more advanced form of VTEC to try and stay ahead of the other companies.

I personally like the VTEC system. I drive an Integra GSR right now. If the Impreza Turbo ends up being out of my price range I will probably get an Integra Type R. Sure the engine has to be worked in acceleration, but nobody can deny their race course performance.

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Old 05-24-2000, 07:29 PM   #19
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no...i test drivved a celica GTS and i hated everyminute of it, LITERALLY. The thing requires you to take it near the redline just to have any samll amount of fun. The FWD things stinks, and if he really wants one, tell him to get like an 86, and slap a turbo on their...sleeper, and a celica (plus cheaper ) or if he wants new, what about a legacy GT...pretty dang sweet ride if you ask me.

Oh and have you heard about SAAB's new setup, the variable compression engine. Sounds SWEET! Fogot the exact figures, but as the ervs and driving style change, so does the compression, in order to make more ponies. I will have to dig up the article...but when i find it, i will post a new thread or just add to this one. From what i can remember, as the revs increase in order to allow more boost, they have the compression drop somehow, which allows for a higher flow of boost, to make more HP and TQ. Sounds like a great idea, just have to wait and see how it works i guess.
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I'd get a base/loaded celica GTS and modify it with TRD parts after the fact. You can get TRD parts via mailorder like from us cheaper then what they sell them at the dealer many times. Wheels and so forth are easy to install yourself and you will always have the stockers left to We have been making a few things for the GTS including a cold air intake, Super AFC wiring and useage. And more things to come like ignition, exhaust's, and boost
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Old 05-24-2000, 11:15 PM   #21
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I'll partially agree with Joel here.

I took a test drive in a GT-S and found that it wasn't up to what I want in a car. If I were going for THAT kind of thing, I'd get an Integra Type-R, not the GT-S. My reasoning is that while handling might be brought to within spitting distance between the two, the Celica's engine hasn't yet passed it's teething stages, and the transmission wasn't amazing as far as I'm concerned. The shift gate is just far too vague to be as close as it is. They need to take a page out of Mazda's 6-spd Miata book.

I love the sound of an engine over 6k RPM. My Sube feels slow in comparison to the Type-R -- but the GT-S doesn't have the same raw feel of the B18-derivative in the ITR and leaves me 'hanging' so to speak. I wanted MORE revs.

That said, it handles just fine, and it's great at what it does. What it doesn't do is blow me away enough to require any more investigation. Oh, and I hated the gauges.

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Old 05-27-2000, 08:42 AM   #22
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Ok, so he decided on the V8 firebird. I guess thats much quicker than any celica, he also got the 6 speed. I'll be test driving it here soon, since he does not know how to drive stick all that well. I will give it a fair chance when testing it This is gonna be fun....

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Old 05-27-2000, 10:03 AM   #23
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He should get a VW Golf 1.8t or GTI (if he can get one cheap enough)... Those cars are fast and handle well. I've heard you can now get the 4motion (aka audi quattro) 4wd on them now, but I've not had a chance to go look for one.
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Well coming from someone that mods the new 2000 celica. It is a great car, after it has been moded. I have designed a cold air intake for the car, which is real nice, makes the vvtli kick in a lot better.
www.phronline.com/cai-celica .

The s-afc also works very well with the car.

If you want to see the mods that are availbe here is the link
http://www.phronline.com/celica-mod-list.htm

also check out these sites,
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www.newcelica.org


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4Motion is not on the Golf/Jetta platform yet. It's only available on the Passat. And the 4motion is different than the Audi Quattor AWD. it's a cheaper version hehehe.
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