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Old 05-05-2000, 11:20 AM   #1
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Post Europeans, have a few questions for you.

1. Who is the most popular World Rally Driver there?

2. What is your opinion about America's NASCAR Racing? If you don't know what NASCAR is, think of the movie Days of Thunder(Tom Cruise).

3. What is your opinion about American drivers when you visited here? Are we more behaved than...say, French drivers?

4. Do you like American cars? What are your opinions about the style and quality?

5. Here in America, we have this phenomina called "Rice Boyz"(this includes all ethnic races and not exclusive to Asians). They're typically teenage Honda owners that decorate their cars with too much decals, unusually large exhausts, lower their cars dangerously too low(cutting springs) and have no performance to back up their decorated car. Do you have the same type of crowd?

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Old 05-05-2000, 04:13 PM   #2
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Not the same thing. We use the term "boyracers" as well but that's really the opposite of a riceboy. Boyracers are the youngsters that get a hold of a very small compact sports car (typically Asian, but can be anything) and actually modify it to PERFORM. Riceboys on the other hand acquire the same types of cars (usually a lower-end model) and externally modify it in ways to APPEAR like it's been modified for performance, when, in fact, it's only been modified for visual effect. The ironic thing about the riceboys is that they generally follow the rule, "The more obnoxious the better". Very odd if you're going for visual appeal. They like lots of stickers and horrific brightly painted racing stripes and dashboards. Sometimes they also made external modifications which they BELIEVE to improve performance but do nothing more than add weight, and sometimes hinder performance (ie. VERY LARGE rear wings, cut springs, 18+" wheels, grotesque oversized exhaust tips that are at least twice the size of the exhaust piping).
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when i use boyracer it's a catch all. i can grasp the different mindsets of the rice vs. racer mentality over here (in US, where i now live). however, in the UK the term can be applied to all and sundry... so yes; it is the same thing.
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Old 05-05-2000, 04:29 PM   #4
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Ha ha...Max Power is a pretty amusing magazine. There's an American version of the magazine over here. It's the smaller conventional magazine size, not the over size like the UK Max Power. They sell it here at places like Barnes & Noble and Borders. I think it's pretty cool that the mag goes out to the UK social events and reports and photographs and cars and birds. Then how can you forget the bird interviews that ask questions like: "What drink makes you horny?", "Spit or swallow?", and "Consider a threesome?"...
I've noticed that the cars that they show have many power parts. The ricers here in the US that we've mentioned only have exhaust....everything else is purely cosmetic.
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Old 05-05-2000, 04:49 PM   #5
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1-looking from it as an Impreza driver ,Burns is the man.But otherwise i like Colin McRrae more, i think he is the no1 driver ,but not in the no1 car at this moment.
2- I think it is very dull,just driving on an oval , i like the real circuitracing.
3-I,ve never been to the states,but I doubt you drive like the french,I have the idea the US people drive more relaxed and of course slower,the police in france is not too active on traffic control.
4-I like the latest model Corvette ,the dodge viper and I like the sound of the Cadilac Northstar engine. We don't have so many models US cars here ,but the styling is different,not my taste.For quality i think they are good ,but no so refined in detail as the EU cars
5- we have boyracers too ,but not too extreme on styling and bad taste,mainly Golf GTi,Honda CRX,peugeot 205 GTi and that sort of cars.
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my answers will be from a UK perspective:
1. it was McRrae, but Burn's winning ways are establishing him as the new No. 1

2.NASCAR is shyte.

3.you guys are about the same as southern/eastern European drivers. but not as skilled as the drivers in the north. Germany being the benchmark IMHO. the license is just too easy to get.

4.US cars? er, well... the old ones are nice.

5.rice? hehe in the UK (Europe's car freak capitol) they are called boyracers. just pick up the UK magazine; MAX POWER if you want a quick cultural exchange in that department. every type of car imaginable comes in for tuning. though the "hot hatch" is the boyracers car of choice generally. my
my younger brother has done crazy things to his SAXO.
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1) Has to be Colin McRae, the guy is just spectacular. Richard Burns has gained massive respect in the last year, he will be champion this year, no question. Richard has taken his time to build up his speed but is now as fast as anyone and is becoming more popular but most brits will want colin to win, he re-ignited british rallying with his awesome drives.

2) NASCAR is absolute pants to watch on the TV, dead boring. Its a diferent thing when you are at the track though, the speed is awesome. The best bit about watching NASCAR at the track is the social aspect, knocking back a 6 pack with your mates, the racing is secondary. (i lived in Atlanta in the early 90's)

3)American drivers, i found them the same as anywhere else in the world, some are great, others are just shyte. The biggest diference i found is in the reaction times, your roads send people to sleep. Because your roads are so wide and cars so big and heavy everything happens at half the speed of the european driver. Also it is rare to find a US driver who will just jump in his/her car and take it for a blast in the country just for the hell of it. If you dont have somewhere to go for a reason you just dont bother, such a shame as off the freeways there are some terific roads in the US.
Nobody drives like the french, have you ever seen a car in france that doesn't have a dint in a panel somewhere, i haven't.
The Italians are totaly nuts, but i love there atitude that if you are in a fast car and not driving fast there is something wrong with you.

4) American cars, lack any charisma, are far to heavy and just look boring. They are better than in the 80's but compaired to European spec cars they are just dull. There are of course exception's but in general they are pretty poor.

5) In my area of the UK we call the riceboys, MaxPower boys. They are very sad, and spend enormous amounts of money putting neon lights under there cars and huge 18" wheels on a 1.1 litre hatchback, why?
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Since we're on the subject, why do the drivers change manufacturers so often? That's unheard-of in American racing. American racecar drivers will stick with the same manufacturer for 30 years. But those rally drivers are changing cars every 3-5 years. What's up with that?
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Old 05-06-2000, 08:50 AM   #9
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Thats probably why Europe leads the world in race car drivers and race car technology.

There is no place for accepting second rate in racing, being the best is what counts, if your team isn't giving you the equipment to win, why the hell should you accept that.

A top drivers career is short in a realy competitive series like the WRC, if the kit you are using isn't good enough, you damb well should get it from somewhere else.

Britain in particular has the atitude in race car engineering that only the best will do, thats why our engineers lead the world in F1, CART and WRC.

I dont actualy agree that drivers change around that much anyway, Colin McRae has only ever driven for Subaru or Ford in his full time WRC career.

Driving for the same team for 30 years, come off it, how many top drivers are profesionals for more than 20, very few. The only one i would class as first rate in that league is Mario Andretti and he drove for many diferent teams from ferrari to courage.
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Old 05-06-2000, 09:10 AM   #10
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I'm german and I live here(Detroit) for over 3 years now.
1: McRae, no matter who he drives for, cool, relaxt, understated.
2: It's fun to see them crash, but it's like most american sports, it LOOKS tough. Just take football, it's similar to rugby, but the sissies wear protectors all over, LOL.
There is a device called steering wheel, turns both sides...
3: The american license tests are a joke, add the average joe's "I don't give a shyte" attitude, a 2 ton pushrod, ladderframed vehicle and bad roads, you know what I mean.
They are more relaxed, though, I used to be on the horn constantly...
4: You get what you pay for, they are cheaper than european cars, in all perspective. The Focus is a step in the right direction, cheap and good. GM? LOL
5: Yeah, similar thing in germany, not so extreme, though. Mainly because you are very restricted by the TUV, a technical control organisation that certifies your car as safe or not. Not can happen if the body has a rusthole. And bolton stuff is expensive as hell.

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Old 05-06-2000, 09:11 AM   #11
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Old 05-06-2000, 10:54 AM   #12
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I like Nascar. I can't wait to see Dodge with their new car and come out in the 2001 session and kick some GM & Ford BUTT. I saw them testing it on ESPN2 on RPM2night. When it comes to racing. It's both Subaru & Dodge.
GO Subaru!!!!!!!
GO DODGE!!!!!!!!

As for WRC drivers. I like both Bruns and McRae.
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I was talking about American racers. And most of the top professionals drive profesionally for over 30 years. Now they may not stay in the same circuit/series the entire 30 years but they're still driving professionally. There's so many different levels to professional stock car racing, these guys can race will into their 60's and still compete. And keep in mind that the top drivers get into the professional circuits VERY young, like 20-21 years old. There's so many drivers and so many teams and so many sponsors, just about anybody can jump up and find a sponsor and get into professional stock car racing. In these professional leagues, unlike CART, F1, WRC, IRL, you don't have to be an apprentice or work on a crew for 10 years before they'll let you into the driving seat. There's so much money floating around, the sponsors are more than willing to give a rookie a million-dollar car to play with.

I'm not critizing either perspective. All types of professionaly car racing around the world have good and bad points. Just in stock car racing, there are a lot more teams and car in a series and in each race that there's a broader spectrum of talent out there. Why do you think NASCAR has so many crashes? Take a 20 year veteran driving 180 mph and throw a rookie with a 700 hp machine out in front of him and there's bound to be some problems. But that's what makes the "oval track racing" that you guys hate so exciting. You're just waiting to see who's going to screw up next and who's going to jump out of their cars and start throwing punches in the middle of a race.
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You CAN'T be serious? Do you really expect any type of car to beat out any other type of car. Dude, how long you been watching NASCAR? For 20 years now, the rules made ALL the cars EXACTLY the same. The have the exact same aerodynamics factor, same brakes, same weight ratio, same total weight, same engine power/torque curve, same suspension setups. The only thing that differs on the cars is the drivers and the manufacturer's badge on the front. That's it. Whoop-dee-freakin-doo, so you throw in another box now with a "Dodge" emblem on it. Who cares? Seriously though, NASCAR has that 1000-page rulebook that's so specific and everybody's got so much money to play with, every car is built to the maximum allowed specs. There's nothing more you can do.
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Old 05-07-2000, 01:40 AM   #15
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they could always cheat, fill the rollcage with hydrogen & the fire extiguisher with nitrous oxide and pipe it to the airbox

Hasnt this gone a bit NASCAR centric anyway, get back to WRC, proper motorsport
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Old 05-07-2000, 03:16 AM   #16
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first off, did i actually see you diss the french ? 'cuz if you are this means war !

1. in terms of popularity Auriol is so obnoctiously French so they are always sad to see him lose (not me) but then Burns is getting just as obnoctious and winning too so he's up there in terms of popularity.

2. NASCAR "racing" is complete crap ! they're "driving" "cars" now no more advanced then they were in the time of Day of Thunder and getting all exited about going fast around an oval track.... oooohhhh i'd love to see one of those guys on the Nurbergring in a Porsche....

3. The French drive fast but are MUCH more behaved the americans on the road, they follow the most priciples of driving...
-LEFT LANE IS FOR PASSING/driving fast !!!
-the line between center and left lane is for motorcycles
americans don't really understand the left lane theory and what the hell is that driving at 50mph on the highway ?

4. NO not at all. the only ones that look good are rebadged Japanese and European cars and even those have crapiest quality...
eg: Mondeo/Contour the Mondeo is a sweet ride but the contour is, well...

5. Yes they are all over the world. I can testify i travel all over the world all year long...

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Old 05-07-2000, 02:57 PM   #17
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1) Mcrae, no doubt about it. He's a sideways boy, like all goo speed freaks. Massive talent, only Makkinen can hold a candle to him.

2) NASCAR? Rubbish. If I want to watch cars go round in circles, I'll go to the local roundabout. Exciting to drive I'm sure, but dull as dishwater to watch.

3) Whenever I've been over the pond, I've found American drivers no worse or better than European ones. A bit more eager to toot the horn than the Brits, but not as much asthe Italians, they're mad in every respect!

4) American cars. If you want comfort, exquipment, poor fuel economy, some of the best in the world. If you want a driving experience that leaves you breathless, it has to be European. Forget the Jap cars as well, well built, fast, reliable, but on the whole soulless.

5) Rice boys? Yup, we have 'em. Do your lot play music so loud it makes your ears bleed, but from outside the car all you can here is the base line? Oh, and they all wear baseball caps that are too small for them, and puffa jackets, no matter what the weather is like!

It would be interesting to hear your views on a similar set of questions, but replace NASCAR for F1.
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Well, I don't know if I qualify. I was born in South Africa, and lived, rally / raced and played there until 1983, when I packed up and came to the States. But I will reply anyway….

1 I think Collin is the best driver, and almost the biggest crybaby in the sport…. GO RICHARD!!!

2 Having had the good fortune to attend several NASCAR races, as well as driving my Suby around Texas Motor Speedway at 115 mph. I think NASCAR is a BIG chess game played in the pits by the team manager and owner. VERY similar to American Football. It does exactly for different styles of auto racing what Football does for Rugby. It gives it something to shoot for as far as public awareness, and "the show" it creates. I'm sure Bernie looked long and hard at NASCAR and it's fanatic fan following before he set his path for F1….

3 Americans drive WAY too slow, and have NO clue what "the FAST lane" is all about. But, I blame the police for this. We have laws on the books to penalize these people sleeping in the left lane, but since a speeding ticket brings more revenue to the state, city or county, that is what they will go after. Also if you notice, and do a poll, VERY few of the drivers sleeping in the left lane can be classified as "American" Most of them are immigrants from countries where the only thing they EVER drove was a bicycle, or a cart drawn by some sort of animal. So 50 MPH seems like the speed of light to them…

4 American cars are OK in my neighbor's driveway. However, a Viper, Panos or C5 would do nicely in mine.

5 Last time I went to SA they had the RICE guys there too. But they also have little MINI trucks that absolutely KILLS motorcycles in a standing 800 meter run. Like 296 kph in 800 meters AND still pulling strong at the finish line. I have a friend that had a ford pick up similar to our Mazda B 2200, that had a ford pick up similar to our Mazda B 2200, that would shift into 5th gear at 150 MPH !!!

That all said.... America is a GREAT place to live, drive and race in...

God Bless America!!!
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-LEFT LANE IS FOR PASSING/driving fast !!!
-the line between center and left lane is for motorcycles
americans don't really understand the left lane theory and what the hell is that driving at 50mph on the highway ?


Lets not forget about america's 3rd lane. I'd like to call "the shoulder". It's a bit bumpy, but poses no problem for the RS
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F1? Schumacher of course! And the regarding the race of F1 itself? It's a heck of a lot more exciting than NASCAR. My brother in law is a NASCAR freak but he always falls a sleep while watching it, thus, my sister calls it Nap-car. I tend to agree. No offense to NASCAR fans but if you ever have insomnia, go watch a tape of NASCAR. From my opinion, there's nothing exciting until I see a 200+MPH crash.

As for Rallying, the networks here would have a tough time selling it. The courses are remote, your have full coverage especially since the cars race in increments. Unless they time each section like they do with down hill skiing, Americans might have a hard time understanding it. As for those who watch it in person, they'll see one car at a time every 5 minutes. I still hope we get Rallying in the States, though.
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I love this! I can add more British banter to my vocabulary (absolute pants) , and have proof that I'm not the only one who thinks NASCAR is a waste of time ("There is a device called steering wheel, turns both sides..." That's probably the best quote I've seen on this board in months, Marius!) Personally, though, I think you guys are giving us American drivers too much credit. It never ceases to amaze me about the amount of horrid drivers there are on the road.
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I think Car and Driver did a spoof sleep-aid video called Notsniw 200. The line ran something like:
"fall asleep to as two dozen look-alike stockers dash around a dinky dixie oval - backwards!"

It was quite funny.

UK drivers aren't too bad; I guess the narrow roads require everyhone to keep alert. I drove through Scotland and Northumbria early this year and was impressed; especially with the one-lane roads in the wild areas. And I got to take a close look (but sadly not a test drive) at a turbo Impreza at a dealer in Hexham.
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Old 12-27-2000, 01:28 PM   #23
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Seems like all the immigrants that live in usa hate nascar and love Rally. If you look at USA rally scene it`s all Irish and polish drivers
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