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Old 12-24-2003, 11:39 PM   #1
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Talking Coming to Visit...then moving here.

Ok I am going to Denver to visit on January 9th -17th. To check the place out, do some snowboarding, skydiving, and have some fun.

I am also moving out to Denver in Spring time so I figured I would start to post here and see whats going on with everyone?

I will let you all know excactly when I will be there for good, and I look forward to meeting veryone.

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Old 12-25-2003, 08:15 AM   #2
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This Rocky Mtn message board is not even 3% as busy as the New England forum as you will see.

Also in Colorado they hate having new people move in to Denver, so you will probably be ignored. You will see there is a GIGANTIC water problem, so you will be paying as much for water in Denver as you did for Sunoco 94 octane during the first Gulf War.

Also if you are a native New Englander, you will hate Colorado with the heated intensity of 1,000 Suns. As a sports town, its fickle and without passion at best, and like Phoenix at worst. There are NO jobs here (although im lucky, my wife isnt) and Denver as a city kind of blows. When you live here you will go to the mountains at first, then suddenly stop after it takes you 3 hours a trip to go 70 miles. You will get incredibly angry at seeing more California, Texas and Illinois license plates around then Colorado plates. The cars here are nicer however.

Back to Denver, no diversity: white, mexican, 3 asians and 14 african americans. Nothing to do, its worse than Atlanta. I hope I talked you out of making the biggest mistake of your life...moving to East California, Colorado.

p.s That nice 2 acre lawn you have in New Hampshire....yeah, imagine living 8'9" from your neighbor and having a lawn measure in square feet. The houses are all built by illegals and fall apart in 3 years. This is NOT THE PLACE FOR A NEW ENGLANDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Take it from one. I am trapped here now until 2005.

Anyways, have a good trip and have fun!
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Old 12-25-2003, 09:10 AM   #3
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This Rocky Mtn message board is not even 3% as busy as the New England forum as you will see.

Also in Colorado they hate having new people move in to Denver, so you will probably be ignored. You will see there is a GIGANTIC water problem, so you will be paying as much for water in Denver as you did for Sunoco 94 octane during the first Gulf War.

Also if you are a native New Englander, you will hate Colorado with the heated intensity of 1,000 Suns. As a sports town, its fickle and without passion at best, and like Phoenix at worst. There are NO jobs here (although im lucky, my wife isnt) and Denver as a city kind of blows. When you live here you will go to the mountains at first, then suddenly stop after it takes you 3 hours a trip to go 70 miles. You will get incredibly angry at seeing more California, Texas and Illinois license plates around then Colorado plates. The cars here are nicer however.

Back to Denver, no diversity: white, mexican, 3 asians and 14 african americans. Nothing to do, its worse than Atlanta. I hope I talked you out of making the biggest mistake of your life...moving to East California, Colorado.

p.s That nice 2 acre lawn you have in New Hampshire....yeah, imagine living 8'9" from your neighbor and having a lawn measure in square feet. The houses are all built by illegals and fall apart in 3 years. This is NOT THE PLACE FOR A NEW ENGLANDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Take it from one. I am trapped here now until 2005.

Anyways, have a good trip and have fun!
Well at least you know when you can leave.

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Old 12-25-2003, 09:24 AM   #4
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Anyway, out of state people aren't hated, except maybe Californians, and you are more likely going to get more of a rise out of people from close minded communities like Boulder, than anywhere else. Denver is a major city, and the addition of a few people aren't going to matter unless you have preconceived ideas like KURB21 sounds like he's having.

As for snowboarding, from what I have heard, I have only been boarding on the western side of the country, but from what I have heard, is that Rocky Mountain skiing/boarding is far superior to the hills back east. That shouldn't be contested.

Now onto sports. Denver is a football town, the Broncos came first, so naturally they are the favorites. Denver Broncos games have been sold out since 1975 or so, and in that time, the Broncos have won 2 SuperBowls, not a very good success ratio, but if that constitutes fickle, then everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Now onto the dumbest thing in KURB21's entire post. He says Denver has no diversity, then in the same little paragraph he calls it East California. I will assume that this person has never been to Cali, or else such statements wouldn't be made. But he is right in the fact that there isn't much cultural diversity in Denver.

Also, most of the banter between Rocky Mountain folks takes place on clubwrx for some reason, and you will see that we hold our own there. If anything, come to Colorado with an open mind and make decisions based on nothing else but what you are experiencing, its a neat place and many like myself would rather live here than anywhere else.

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Old 12-25-2003, 12:36 PM   #5
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Ya, I would agree with COwannago, I notice most of the CO scene happening on ClubWRX

Although my brother lives in Longmont, which I guess is about 45-60 min away from Denver. to me that area (Boulder, Longmont, etc) seems like a nice area to live, despite that fact that my brother despises Boulder.

I would live outside the city and close to the mountains.
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Well I have always wanted to move out west and right now in my life it affords me the best opportunity. I have some friends in the skydiving world who I have jumped with on a regular basis who live there and they can do nothing but rave about it. I guess the only way for me to find out for myself is to move there and see if I like it.

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Old 12-25-2003, 06:50 PM   #7
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Ya, I would agree with COwannago, I notice most of the CO scene happening on ClubWRX

Although my brother lives in Longmont, which I guess is about 45-60 min away from Denver. to me that area (Boulder, Longmont, etc) seems like a nice area to live, despite that fact that my brother despises Boulder.

I would live outside the city and close to the mountains.
I'll agree that the Boulder/Niwot/Longmont area is very nice. I've lived in Niwot for almost 19 years now, and it's still a wonderful place to live
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I moved here in July, this place is awesome. I go to the mountains all the time despite the long drive, it's worth it.

As far as cheaply built houses, kinda true but at the same time not as bad as a lot of other places.

Diversity, well all my friends are white, but I know that 25% of Denver is hispanic.

Jobs, I'm sure if you're qualified enough, it's not hard to find a good job.
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Old 12-26-2003, 04:29 AM   #9
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I moved here in may, I don't have many complaints aside from the housing expense. My water is included in my HOA fee
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Old 12-26-2003, 01:43 PM   #10
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There is nothing wrong with moving here - he just wants less competition and wants to trick you into not moving.
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Old 12-26-2003, 02:08 PM   #11
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This Rocky Mtn message board is not even 3% as busy as the New England forum as you will see.

Also in Colorado they hate having new people move in to Denver, so you will probably be ignored. You will see there is a GIGANTIC water problem, so you will be paying as much for water in Denver as you did for Sunoco 94 octane during the first Gulf War.

Also if you are a native New Englander, you will hate Colorado with the heated intensity of 1,000 Suns. As a sports town, its fickle and without passion at best, and like Phoenix at worst. There are NO jobs here (although im lucky, my wife isnt) and Denver as a city kind of blows. When you live here you will go to the mountains at first, then suddenly stop after it takes you 3 hours a trip to go 70 miles. You will get incredibly angry at seeing more California, Texas and Illinois license plates around then Colorado plates. The cars here are nicer however.

Back to Denver, no diversity: white, mexican, 3 asians and 14 african americans. Nothing to do, its worse than Atlanta. I hope I talked you out of making the biggest mistake of your life...moving to East California, Colorado.

p.s That nice 2 acre lawn you have in New Hampshire....yeah, imagine living 8'9" from your neighbor and having a lawn measure in square feet. The houses are all built by illegals and fall apart in 3 years. This is NOT THE PLACE FOR A NEW ENGLANDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Take it from one. I am trapped here now until 2005.

Anyways, have a good trip and have fun!
WOW!! Strong statements, but slightly biased. Where to start, well KURB21 you are right about this board getting less and less active but that's just because most of us moved over to clubWRX.com (I think it is because of the guys from Utah! jk ). As for Deverites and Coloradans not liking non-natives, that is just plain not true. Sure they all complain about the traffic since "those Californians can't drive", but that is almost more sarcasm then anything. In fact when I moved here from NY I was so jaded that I couldn't go to the KingSoopers or any other place because the employees all wanted to help or greet you or do something that I always got kinda weirded out until I got used to the idea of people generally trying to be NICE to one another in an honest way (wow what a concept! ). Also most of the time as soon as people find out you're from someplace else (especially back east) it immediately perks their interest!
I wouldn't call our water problem a huge problem, we're better off than Cali! I mean Colorado is a fairly arid climate, so that's not unusual. And who cares anyway, sure slightly more for water sux but we more than make up for it out here with VERY low energy costs and most other things are cheaper out here like gas for instance, it's only cheaper in a few other places in the country, and cigarettes are way cheaper ($2.15-$2.85/pack wow huh!) then anywhere back east or in cali for that matter!
Sports, wow what a fallacy! CO has some of the best teams in the country right now. Sure the Broncos aren't doing to well but we all still love them! The Aves. are one of the best ALL-TIME hockey teams in the league and we have the highest payroll in the NHL , and how can you leave out the Nuggets! I've never seen a Nugs. team like this years and everyone in the west is excited to see what happens in the western conf. this year! And don't forget the Mammoth, not many places have a pro Lax team!(oh yeah and some people even like the Rockies ) And when it comes to extreme sports or aggressive sports Colorado has much to offer
You’re right though about jobs. Slim pickens right now, but that will change, just like it always does. Besides jobs are pretty slim everywhere right now, and at least in CO everything is fairly modernized so most of the jobs available are hightech/highskill and usually decently high pay. But an even bigger break for many people is that fact that Taxes are just plain cheaper out here then back east or in Cali.
As for traffic I don't think I've ever hit traffic so bad out here that I felt justified in comparing it to traffic in other places. I can remember regularly sitting in line for tolls at the GW in NYC for hours to move just 2-3 miles! How’s that for traffic? T-Rex is moving along so quickly that I-25 changes day to day, compare that to massive road construction elsewhere! No contest!
You're kinda right about Denver though. Diversity is limited but it's really only slightly different. Not too many Blacks compared to other places, but there are lots of Mexicans and more than just a few Asians, also there's quite a bit of international tourism. I don't feel as though I'm really missing out on anything and besides Colorado has it's own culture and flair and personality that it really doesn't matter what race or creed you are as long as you enjoy yourself you'll see most people respond to that in a positive way.
And lastly, property values are only increasing here, and that is a good thing! Only the residential areas of the city and the surrounding suburbs like Highlands Ranch or The Meadows have small lot sizes. If you want land you're commute might be a little longer but your property will more than make up for it. There are HUGE ranch properties all over CO. I'm talking 40-50 acres is still considered small! As for the quality of work, it's all dependent on the builder if you are going to build. Most are very reputable and once again CO is on the forefront of new technologies in house building, using unconventional, environmentally safer, and even recycled materials.
When I first moved here I didn't really like it but over time I have grown very fond of this state and Denver. KURB21 also left out some other positives like the Denver airport, and the climate (how can you complain with 330 something days of sun a year, and the ability to go skiing or boarding one day and then go out golfing the next) and the comparatively clean air and water, and the BEER (Micro Brew's galore )! I think KURB21 has a few issues, he just need's to let the town grow on him, I think he'll come around soon enough! I hope I showed you some of the positives of CO life! Enjoy your trip, hope to see you at a meet some time (Oh how could I forget the AMAZING drives out here! Decent road quality, amazing views, great selection of different roads, and super easy to navigate w/ the mountains. Maybe one of the best perks of being a Coloradan!)

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Old 12-26-2003, 07:59 PM   #12
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Denver as a city kind of blows.
...Better than Utah

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You will get incredibly angry at seeing more California, Texas and Illinois license plates around then Colorado plates.
...At least you'll only see a few Utah plates to be a afraid of

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Back to Denver, no diversity: white, mexican, 3 asians and 14 african americans.
...Beats Utah


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Nothing to do,
...Obviously never been to Utah

Colorado is freakin cool maang, but then again I did move there from utah to a college town, and not from back east, so my opinion might be a little... biased, anyways, good luck on the move

...damn tags...

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Old 12-26-2003, 08:13 PM   #13
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Just thought i'd chime in on the Utah comments...

Everything ImprezzvRS says about Utah is pretty much true

Having never even been to Denver, i can't say whether it sucks or not, but it really, and i mean REALLY can't be worse than SLC...
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Old 12-29-2003, 10:23 PM   #14
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Well from a real Colorado Native, come on out and see for yourself. You'll probably like it.

If you've seen some of the jokes like

"Welcome to Colorado --- Now go home!!'

Those are aimed at folks who can't figure out Colorado and the West in general, are different than other urban centers.

We average only about 14 - 15" of rain/snow a year ( ie its borderline desert).

Don't be a lazy retard and wash off your sidewalk with a garden hose, sweep it. Don't wash your car 2x a week, and don't plant a bluegrass lawn and then whine when we go on water rationing and it dies.

If traffic is slow, don't honk your horn because:

a. it won't make anyone move faster,

b. someone might get out of his car and ask you what your problem is.

Relax we're all in this together, when folks are trying to merge into traffic, let them in, they will generally do the same for you.

On the other hand, don't try to push your way into a traffic line, folks just might push back.

When the green arrow comes on --- please move! There are other folks behind you who want to get through the light too.

Understand that the weather is classic intercontinental mountain weather. We get 300+ days of sun a year, we can have humidities in the single digits for weeks at a time in the summer, and the temperatures can change by more than 40 deg F in a couple hours when a storm front comes through.

We can also have 75 deg weather the day before Christmas, in the city and 2 feet of fresh powder in the mountains.

Figure out that high fire danger is serious and not a joking matter. Throw a cigarette butt out a car window in the summer time, and your risking felony arson charges. I've seen a cigarette caused grass fire run 10 miles on a 2 mile wide front in less than 15 minutes.

Don't play golf when you can hear thunder. (then again if your dumb enough to do that, please go to the highest green on the course and hold an iron over your head-- darwin needs you )

Don't go swimming in that pretty mountain stream unless your wearing a wet suit or your a polar bear. The water is about 33 degrees until mid July.

Don't refuse to buy adequate snow tires in the winter, and then screw up all the roads by sliding around on the slick roads and crashing into folks who who do have proper tires.

Expect to see large hail about once a year, and if you get hammered by 3/4 inch hail don't whine. You moved to the hail capital of the US. If it does start to hail DO NOT pull under a highway bridge and park , your blocking emergency traffic and causing accidents, and may get rear ended by a 40' semi.

Most winters we will average about 40 - 50 inches of snow all winter, but we can get that much snow on the ground in the city in a single storm too.

Most winters we will have a brief cold snap down in the low teens to a few below zero days in late January, (commonly called Stock Show Weather as this is when the National Western Stock show runs) and early february, but we can and do occasionally get week plus stretches of -20 - -30 deg F temps in the western suburban areas.

When it snows hard, plan on it taking a while for the snow crews to open all major roads. Denver metro area is one of the physically largest cities in the country. The City of Denver itself is over 120 sq miles in area, and it takes time to clear several thousand miles of streets.

People here are much more helpful than are typical in most other parts of the country, and genuinely mean it if they say good morning or have a good day.

Larry

(rant all in good fun, but some serious issues there too)

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Old 12-29-2003, 11:28 PM   #15
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Well from a real Colorado Native, come on out and see for yourself. You'll probably like it.

If you've seen some of the jokes like

"Welcome to Colorado --- Now go home!!'

Those are aimed at folks who can't figure out Colorado and the West in general, are different than other urban centers.

We average only about 14 - 15" of rain/snow a year ( ie its borderline desert).

Don't be a lazy retard and wash off your sidewalk with a garden hose, sweep it. Don't wash your car 2x a week, and don't plant a bluegrass lawn and then whine when we go on water rationing and it dies.

If traffic is slow, don't honk your horn because:

a. it won't make anyone move faster,

b. someone might get out of his car and ask you what your problem is.

Relax we're all in this together, when folks are trying to merge into traffic, let them in, they will generally do the same for you.

On the other hand, don't try to push your way into a traffic line, folks just might push back.

When the green arrow comes on --- please move! There are other folks behind you who want to get through the light too.

Understand that the weather is classic intecontinental mountain weather. We get 300+ days of sun a year, we can have humidities in the single digits for weeks at a time in the summer, and the temperatures can change by more than 40 deg F in a couple hours when a storm front comes through.

We can also have 75 deg weather the day before Christmas, in the city and 2 feet of fresh powder in the mountains.

Figure out that high fire danger is serious and not a joking matter. Throw a cigarette butt out a car window in the summer time, and your risking felony arson charges. I've seen a cigarette caused grass fire run 10 miles on a 2 mile wide front in less than 15 minutes.

Don't play golf when you can hear thunder. (then again if your dumb enough to do that, please go to the highest green on the course and hold an iron over your head-- darwin needs you )

Don't go swimming in that pretty mountain stream unless your wearing a wet suit or your a polar bear. The water is about 33 degrees until mid July.

Don't refuse to buy adequate snow tires in the winter, and then screw up all the roads by sliding around on the slick roads and crashing into folks who who do have proper tires.

Expect to see large hail about once a year, and if you get hammered by 3/4 inch hail don't whine. You moved to the hail capital of the US. If it does start to hail DO NOT pull under a highway bridge and park , your blocking emergency traffic and causing accidents, and may get rear ended by a 40' semi.

Most winters we will average about 40 - 50 inches of snow all winter, but we can get that much snow on the ground in the city in a single storm too.

Most winters we will have a brief cold snap down in the low teens to a few below zero days in late January, (commonly called Stock Show Weather as this is when the National Western Stock show runs) and early february, but we can and do occasionally get week plus stretches of -20 - -30 deg F temps in the western suburban areas.

When it snows hard, plan on it taking a while for the snow crews to open all major roads. Denver metro area is one of the physically largest cities in the country. The City of Denver itself is over 120 sq miles in area, and it takes time to clear several thousand miles of streets.

People here are much more helpful than are typical in most other parts of the country, and genuinely mean it if they say good morning or have a good day.

Larry

(rant all in good fun, but some serious issues there too)
Larry, you are a wealth of information! Being a native(for all intents and purposes, I was born on vacation ) I couldn't say it half as well, especially being in a less than desirable temper from someone when I wrote my first and second post . We are lucky to have you posting is what I'm saying.

Nick C.
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Amen to that, today there was a lady with a flat on I-70, she didn't know she had it, I flagged her down and exited to help her change it and 2 other cars followed me and offered to help as well. It was amazing to see that much help volunteered to someone who was just driving along on the highway. She bought me a bottle of washer fluid to maintain the "karma" balance because I ran out and my windshield was getting really dirty, really fast.
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Old 12-31-2003, 12:25 AM   #17
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There is nothing wrong with moving here - he just wants less competition and wants to trick you into not moving.
Yeah, hush.
We've all discovered paradise and want to keep it to ourselves and don't want any more people moving here.

But if you want the truth, unlike the East Coast or California, you can actually afford a house here, and the traffic is nothing compared to there. Unlike back east, there is no stifling humidity in the summer. For some reason, people complain about hard pack snow here like it's ice - ain't nothing compared to the blue ice back east, not to mention that it doesn't rain on the slopes in the middle of winter here. And while it's there's fewer minority here, diversity is increasing like everywhere else and I've encountered almost no racism compared to the east coast (Virginia, and was not even that far south).

That guy can have the east coast back. I for one, don't care to move back and wouldn't if you paid me.
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As a Colorado Native who has lived back east from 97-02 I can honestly say Its almost like two different countries, When it comes to fun in the cities, advantage East Coast (by far). But when outdoors activities are looked at, I dont think there is a better state to live in than Colorado, and BTW the skiing and snowboarding back east cant even begin to compare with Colorado. If youre looking for city fun, move to Miami. If youre the adventurous type ( you seem like tou are ), Colorado will keep you busy for years.
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I moved to Denver from Cleveland almost 2 years ago and couldn't be happier (hold the Cleveland jokes please). I have traveled all over the country and Colorado is now one of my favorite states (behind Maine). Housing prices and horrible highway drivers are the only downsides but the positives of CO far out weigh the minor negatives. The weather is fantastic w/out the unbearable humid heat of summer and bone-chilling cold of winters back East. The people are extremely friendly and I have not had any negative experiences with native Coloradans (sp?) since I moved. If you flip off an obnoxious driver on the highway, like back East, they will look at you like you have two heads. There is so much to do outdoors and the city life isn't bad either. Come on out Joe and don't listen to KURB21.

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Ha Ha , I see my plan worked! Yes, I do think moving here from the East Coast is tough, but Colorado is cool. I was just trying to get a conversation going on this damn board!!! A lot of what I said is just sensationalized opionions that I have, but it was all meant to get us talking/fighting!!!

My water bill was 180.00 for the last 2 months though, stay away from Douglas County!!
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Old 01-02-2004, 04:18 AM   #21
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I live in Denver therefore it is awesome. As long as you like getting drunk in bars and going to diners at 4:30am it awesome... It took me about a year to get used to denver, but i am finally growing to like it. It's not as nice as Ft. Collins, but it has it's perks.

I have never had any trouble with "natives", just the few retards with the NATIVE bumper stickers. THere ussually stupid hippies though.

edit: forgot the beer part. if you like beer CO is the place to be. Ft. Collins has more breweries per capita than any other place in the world. THe rest of CO isn't far behind. Kegs here are cheaper than the east also.
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Old 01-03-2004, 02:27 AM   #22
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I moved here in July from Buffalo, NY. I know that Buffalo sucks in just about every aspect except traffic (roads are empty). But it wasn't so glaringly obvious until I got here, I love it here. I go to the mountains almost every weekend, Denver isn't too crowded as long as you stay away from a few areas.

It only took me about 2 months to get used to Denver and adjust from the East. It's a sweet city once you get used to it.
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Old 01-03-2004, 09:12 PM   #23
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forgot the beer part. if you like beer CO is the place to be.
Yeah, I used to not really like beer until I moved here.

Then I discovered the microbrew.
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Old 01-03-2004, 09:25 PM   #24
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Ha Ha , I see my plan worked! Yes, I do think moving here from the East Coast is tough, but Colorado is cool. I was just trying to get a conversation going on this damn board!!! A lot of what I said is just sensationalized opionions that I have, but it was all meant to get us talking/fighting!!!

My water bill was 180.00 for the last 2 months though, stay away from Douglas County!!
Damn you for tricking me!

Nick C.
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