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Old 12-25-2003, 03:36 PM   #1
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Default Water Injection intercooler hose - don't drill & tap that intercooler.

Update 2/1/04 - Group buy has concluded successfully and is closed.

Charged Performance has been working feverishly for months on bringing water injection solutions specific to the WRX/STi and the upcoming Saabaru to this community through out the summer. After much R&D some of these products are starting to become available to the retail market.

Our first contributions were of an informative nature as can be found at www.turboice.net and www.turboice.net/forum

Now for our first product - an intercooler to throttle body hose with embedded bungs specifically for Aquamist's externally installed jets.



The suggested retail on this product will be $75.00, blanking plugs and Aquamist jets will be additional. The blanking plugs allow one or both bungs to be closed anytime water injection is not being used.

This group buy is for a minimum of 5 units and a maximum of 10 units. The group buy will include two blanking plugs and two Aquamist jets of the size you select (available from .4mm to 1.0mm) which is have an MSRP of $45.00.

The group buy price will be $75.00 and include one hose with bungs, 2 blanking plugs and 2 Aquamist jets, 4 feet of Aquamist nylon hose and a Y or T fitting as you select.

The group buy will end on January 16 and paid orders will be shipped once we reach 5 paid orders.

Deposits to be added to the group buy will be $25 and refundable only if we do not reach an order of 5. Once the group buy orders reach 5 deposits, the deposit will be nonrefundable and may only be applied to purchase of the group buy price through January 31 which is the last date that payments will be accepted on the group buy.

Based on our customer experiences that use systems other than Aquamist, the Aquamist hose and components can be adapted to other systems.

Happy Holidays!

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Old 12-25-2003, 03:37 PM   #2
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Group buy list:

1. tdxflex (paid in full #1) - jet size: (2) 0.5mm (Y)
2. PGM (paid in full #4) - jet size: (2) 0.5mm (Y) (+100cc accumulator)
3. Concillian (paid in full #6) - jet size: (2) 0.5mm (Y or T)
4. mikkyo (paid in full #2) - jet size: (2) 0.5mm (Y)
5. MZM (paid in full #5) - jet size: (2) 0.5mm (T)
6. Boxologist (paid in full #3) - jet size:
7. Joji (paid in full #7) - jet size: (1) 0.4mm, (1) 0.5mm (Y)

The GB is now valid, three spots remain. Balance payments and new orders will be accepted through the 31st of January. Orders after this point require full $75 payment - and these later orders need to allow 2-3 weeks for delivery to your door in case I do not have a jet size or joint choice in stock.

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Update 2/1/04 - Group buy has concluded successfully and is closed.

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Old 12-25-2003, 07:11 PM   #3
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I'm in, just sent the deposit
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Old 12-25-2003, 07:25 PM   #4
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Thanks tdxflex.

I don't need to know now but as we get close to payment time, think about what size jets you are interested in so I can make sure I have enough for everyone in advance.

Jet size info and flow rates:

http://www.aquamist.co.uk/sl/plist/pic2/jets/jets.html

Happy Holidays.

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Old 12-25-2003, 11:32 PM   #5
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find out if this works with WRX tuners jets. I am very interested. If i bring down the jets can i try it out to see if it fits??
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Old 12-26-2003, 12:46 AM   #6
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I am 99% confident that the jets they are using will not fit in the bung. Their jets are imperial thread and these bungs are M8 X 0.75.

If the size is close to 8mm we could see about the possibility of retapping them or I could make the bung with another thread configuration - but not one with a much different diameter unforunately. Do you have specs on their jet threads?

We can meet up sometime to take a look at it. Saturdays in Kenilworth work best for me since I know there is some consistency that I will be there. Other times it is hard to say where I will be far in advance.

Ed.

PS - If I can make a modification to fit the imperial jets that will be great and I will do so. However if I can not si2wrx can give you information on adpating to the nylon hosing from the wrxtuner hosing.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hreadid=474069
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On my particular setup, I have retained the Shurflo pump and a few fittings that are included in the kit. I changed out the fuel hose for 4mm nylon tubing. As mentioned, the solenoid was replaced with the Aquamist HSV. A few various fittings allow connection of the nylon hose to the Hago nozzle, HSV, and Shurflo pump.

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Old 12-31-2003, 12:54 AM   #7
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Hmm interesing.... I would like to come down so you can have a look at it. When do you want to schedule something?
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Old 01-01-2004, 12:35 PM   #8
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I am going to be on the 48 hours trip this weekend, if you are at any of the meets on the route, I will have one with me.

If not then next Saturday the 10th at the AZP Kenilworth shop is the most certain time. Any other time e-mail sales@chargedperformance or IM me at icecharged and we can see what can be worked out.

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Old 01-03-2004, 01:42 AM   #9
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does this work with the APS FMIC ? I too have the WRX Tuner's Water Injection kit, but haven't installed it yet. Could I just use aquamist jets with the WRXTuner setup ?

Let me know as I am very interested. Thanks!
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Old 01-04-2004, 09:14 PM   #10
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We would need to see the size of the hose from the end of the FMIC piping to the throttle body but most FMIC I have been close enough to compare indicat that it should fit.

I do not believe the Aquamist jets would connect directly to the hose used in your kit.

Based on my customer's experience in the thread linked above the Aquamist nylon hose (included in this GB) can be adapted to the kit you have with the appropriate couplings. Once you can utilize the Aquamist nylon hose, Aquamist jets can be used.

I do not have specific information on the conversion but I believe he listed some of what was involved in using the Aquamist hose above and I am sure with an inquiry in that thread he would expand on it.

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Old 01-05-2004, 12:24 PM   #11
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I'll IM you tonight we can work something out on meeting up. If you see me online tonight or I forget IM me at forevaporkchop (AIM)
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Old 01-05-2004, 01:11 PM   #12
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I'm interested in this GB (just in time before I tap my 2nd hole).

I'm planning on using the STi 550cc injectors with a big 16g.
Do you know what size of jet I should use for 10~15% F/W ratio?

I'm currently running a single jet with stock injectors / turbo, and
my water pressure gauge shows around 80psi. I've noticed the
pressure surges a lot, and was wondering if you carry the
following item: Anti-Surge accumulator -30cc 1/8 BSP male

Thanks,
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Old 01-05-2004, 07:30 PM   #13
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Porkchop sounds good I look forward to discussing with you.

PGM, to match the flow potential of your injectors with the flow potential of the jets and your target ratio I would recommend two 0.5 mm jets. I am assuming that you are using a progressive flow system like the system 2c or 2d in order to meter the water at a progressive rate from low load to high load. Use of a static flow system with this much water could bog down the motor at the low end.

I can obtain for you either the 30cc accumlator listed or a 100cc accumulator that isn't listed both are up to 100psi accumulators.

Your target of 15% is over the flow capacity of the pump (300cc) at the potential of your injectors without an accumulator, besides decreasing the surge on your gauge (which can be reduced by a restrictor to the gauge) it will also bring the flow capacity up to your potential 15% X 550cc X 4 or 330cc. Of course with the 2d unless for some reason you are over 90% IDC on your injectors you will never need to flow more than 297cc to reach 15% and even with the 16g I would be surprised if you would need to be higher than 80% IDCs using the STi injectors. For further resolution in tuning the water you can either use the pressure switch or maybe have 1 0.5mm jet and you can have one of each of the 0.4mm, 0.5mm & 0.6mm jets for the second bung.

As a note to other readers, while an accumulator is recommended for margin if you have a need for 550cc injectors, most IDCs on a stage 4 equivalent using water injection will be sufficiently low to leave a huge margin from actual water to fuel usage with or without the accumulator. If even with water injection you need larger than 550cc injectors you are running a lot of torque and hp and would need to look at possibly multiple race pumps or utilizing an alternative hiqh quality, high pressure but higher flow pump to meet your flow needs such as certain shurflo models. I can be contacted for any specialized applications in addition to Aquamist's standard system offerings.

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Old 01-05-2004, 07:34 PM   #14
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As a side note if you are absolutely sure you only want one bung, this can be arranged if known in advance, though we would recommend the second bung for future flexibility and you can use the blanking plug to block one bung and a single jet in the other bung.

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Old 01-06-2004, 12:39 PM   #15
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Hi. 2x 5mm nozzle sounds good. I have the 2D system so I
already have 6, 7 and 8mm ones, which I can use to make fine
adjustments.

Regarding the pressure surge, I do have a restrictor in the
piping to my gauge. I might get the 30cc accumulator anyway.

Which address do I need to send the $25 deposit to?
I'm assuming it's paypal@chargedperformance.com, but just to
double check.

Thanks,
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Old 01-06-2004, 01:13 PM   #16
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The paypal@ address is preferable - however the sales@ address is also registered/verified for the same account. Either will go to the Charged Performance paypal account.

Either the 30cc or the 100cc would benefit you anyway with both the surge and extra flow potential. I will try to get pricing to include a cost to you within this GB.

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Old 01-06-2004, 01:51 PM   #17
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Quote:
I will try to get pricing to include a cost to you within this GB.
Cool thank.

I just sent you the deposit. Can't wait.
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Old 01-06-2004, 06:04 PM   #18
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Deposit received, thanks.

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Old 01-11-2004, 01:22 PM   #19
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Bump - last week of this group buy. For those that have written, get those deposits in if you are still interested.

Porkchop - if you have the thread size of your jets I can let you know if a solution can be reached.
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Old 01-14-2004, 07:21 PM   #20
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Concillian - thank you for the deposit. Coming close on the deadline - are you guys OK with extending this a week to get the group buy completed?
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Old 01-14-2004, 10:36 PM   #21
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I'm in. Also for 2 -.5mm jets.
Paypal deposit sent.
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Old 01-14-2004, 11:45 PM   #22
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Thank you for the interest everyone.

I also need to know if you are interested in a Y or T joint for splitting from one feed hose to the two jets.

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Old 01-14-2004, 11:47 PM   #23
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Got room for one more? I don't know the nozzle size, but the WI system will be for a EJ2.2 boosted to 21PSI using 765cc injectors. Is 0.5mm to small?

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Old 01-14-2004, 11:55 PM   #24
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Depends on what type of system you planning on using it with and what the IDC of those injectors will be when WI is engaged.

If using an Aquamist pump which will flow 300cc (more with an accumulator or prepressure from a windshield washer pump for instance) - on a progessive system like the 2c or 2d 0.5mm would be good since with lower IDCs they will stay under the 300cc. For a static system like the 1s 0.4mm would work better most likely.

If you are using a higher flow pump you could pair up 0.4-0.6mm but probably not any larger depending on how much water you want to flow.

Yes this group buy is open to up to 10 people. After the 16th orders will have to come fully paid. Before the 16th a $25 deposit can be made with until the 31st to pay the balance.
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Old 01-14-2004, 11:59 PM   #25
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All this interest in CA must not be 4*F there. No one is interested in touching liquids right now in the NE.
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