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Old 09-30-2000, 08:15 PM   #1
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Thumbs up 5Zigen/STi takeoff suspension installed; thoughts now, pics tomorrow

I made the trip to Asheville yesterday, got the suspension installed today, and made the trip back tonight...

Wow.

First, the install...

The install wasn't too bad. Other than forgetting the dust cover once and having the pleasure of working with a hand wrench for the rear strut tower bolts, I thought it was fairly straightforward.

And performance results...

The effects of the new suspension are absolutely incredible. Body roll is minimized-the chassis just doesn't move much. Sometimes the only thing you hear is a squealing tire or two during a hard turn. No creaks or whines or anything associated with the car before.

It doesn't "corner like it's on rails" but I still need a suspension alignment on it too. Very, very fun. I paid $600 for the setup, but you could get it for $500 or so now if you shopped around and avoided shipping.

Anyway, now for cosmetics...

The car is dropped, darn close to 2". My guess is 1.75-1.875". I'm not complaining too much, but it was a bit excessive for what I wanted. You can fit a finger in the rear, but in the front, it's more like half a finger.

No problems with the stock bumper or anything rubbing, but I haven't driven it too hard.

As for comfort...

The ride is much harsher. I expected that, but driving on the marvelously maintained roads of NC's cities was an experience. The car demands your attention now (as if it didn't before) and it doesn't like being ignored.

I am going to have to forego cams for some new butt cradles in order to keep my sanity for long trips. Any reccomendations?

Other than that, kudos to Dale Teague for a great install and good night to everyone. I *WILL* have pics up tomorrow, god willing. I am planning on taking them and scanning them in. I will see how they turn out though.
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Old 09-30-2000, 09:52 PM   #2
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Funny, I am installing that same setup in about 2 weeks. You wouldn' happen to know anyone who can install it near Wilson would you?
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Old 09-30-2000, 10:30 PM   #3
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You noticed that too, huh? I got my 5Zigen's and AGX's installed and I felt like I was in a badly-dropped Honda. Found out that it was overdamped on it's current setting and I can set it nice and low for a decent ride if I want. *shrug*
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Old 10-01-2000, 12:02 AM   #4
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Yep, I have the same setup, AGX & 5Zigen... but I plan on replacing them with a coilover setup soon. It seems like the only adjustement I can make up front is between over- and underdampened, while in the rear, I have major problems with rubbing under load. I'm running Dunlop SP8000's in stock size, and almost all the lettering on the sidewalls in the rear has worn off after the Subaru Track Day two days ago... After trying almost any combination of settings I'm giving up on this combo.
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Old 10-01-2000, 07:47 AM   #5
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Dolphin-

Make the drive to Dale Teague. It's 5 hours from Raleigh, so it'll be a long drive for you too, but it's worth it.

Stay in the Econo Lodge for $40.
Dale charged me $150 for the install.
Get an alignment for $30-50.
Gas is $40 for both ways.
As for food...don't get picky. Maybe $10?

So you end up spending about $300, but the best part is that if you want, you can buy some parts and get some other stuff installed. Just give him a call in advance, because there isn't a whole lot at the shop right now.

8 and Deepbeep-

I am surprised to hear about the springs not working with the struts...the springs are very progressive, and the adjustibility I figured would give you a nice, wide range of settings.

I have had no problems so far, but it's only been a day. I carried a set of springs and struts along with some other junk in the trunk for 4 hours and no rubbing, but if I put a few passengers back there I'll remember to be careful.

I'll wash the car and take pics later today.

Have a good one.
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Old 10-01-2000, 07:50 AM   #6
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deepbeep and 8Complex
I have the same set up as you two sitting in my closet, waiting for installation. Would you suggest I ditch the 5Zigen springs? From your reviews, they leave something to be desired. 8Complex, what settings (damping) did you use for and acceptable ride? When doing my research before buying this set up most people were running 2/4. Are you nearing the bottom of the settings, 1/3 or 1/2? And are you agreeing with Overtime that there is a 2" drop!! Ouch! That is LOW!
Thank you in advance for any comments.
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Old 10-01-2000, 08:02 AM   #7
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Dolphin-

When I finally get my suspension, I'm going to make the drive down to Teagues to get it installed. It's 4 hours for me from here. I think that it would be worth the drive to get it installed right the first time.

Jim
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Old 10-01-2000, 08:40 AM   #8
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Aaron-

I'm using different struts than 8 or deepbeep, the STi takeoff struts, and it hasn't dropped 2". It's more like 1.75" now that I think about it.

I have been very happy with the performance of this suspension. Perhaps it's due to the inverted struts...the AGXs aren't inverted, are they?

Oh, and I'm running no bump stops, either.
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Old 10-01-2000, 08:44 AM   #9
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Did Dale install those for you? Did he have everything in stock?

-Chris Williams
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Old 10-01-2000, 11:48 AM   #10
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I have the same WRX version V struts and 5ziggen springs.

I did notice a drop in the ride height, but nothing major. Definitely less than 2 inches.

As far as ride goes...well...it rocks! I don't mean rocking side to side too Yes I agree it is rougher on the road. There are some roads that really bounce me around. But when I was on Thunderhill I couldn't have asked for more. Except getting ride of those stock tires! But seriously...if you can handle a little bounce go for this. Simple, efficeint and cheap!

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Old 10-01-2000, 01:15 PM   #11
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Chris-

Yup, Dale installed all this for me.

You'd have to order the struts from www.subaruparts.com or some similar place. They'd be about $350 or so shipped.

The springs would have to come from a 5Zigen dealer. www.aktusa.com would work now, but if I can get back in touch with Auto Imaging, you could have em for under $200 shipped.

Neil-

Yeah, I may have exaggerated a bit with the drop. But it's low. And I love the performance...absolutely love it! I need a bigger sway bar, though... and new brake pads...and new seats...
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Old 10-02-2000, 11:03 AM   #12
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Aaron:

I'm actually running the struts at 3f/6r right now. I changed the setting to this for the track day, and even though it's a bit stiff for daily driving on SF streets, at least it seems to be the best balance AFA under/overdampened is concerned.

I'm not sure that the drop is indeed a full 2", although it definitely is quite a drop. Neil Crawford and I compared the ride height between our two cars, and it seems like his (with the same springs and v5 struts) sits a little higher. The only other difference is that I retained the bump stops, but cut them in half before installation.
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Old 10-02-2000, 11:19 AM   #13
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My car sits 1.5" lower by measurement before & after (including break-in). I usually run with the settings at 2f/4r, but recently have switched to 2f/3r. At the autocross yesterday I hadn't dialed my tire pressure in, but I was running 2f/7r in the end and it was beautiful for the course.

I'm starting to play around with the dampening a little bit and I've found that 1 is in fact less then stock dampening. I believe that 1/1 would very close to match the stock ride.

BTW, yesterday I had my best run with these settings:

Front struts: 2
Rear struts: 7
Front tires: 42
Rear tires: 40

Current setup suspension-wise:
Kumho Supra Ecsta 712's w/about 7k on them
KYB/AGX struts
5Zigen springs
Whiteline rear sway bar set to 22mm
Whiteline end links front & rear

The most neutral setting I've found for the car is tire pressures & rear sway bar setting same as above with strut settings of 2f/2r. However, I do not like neutral, I like oversteer. I prefer 2f/4r, but find it rather choppy for the street so normally I ride with 2f/3r.

Personally I am looking to get better tires in the future as the Kumho's have weak sidewalls for my taste (very slow side-to-side reaction). Not sure what I am looking for, but guaranteed when I switch I will get wheels as well and go to 17" or even possibly 18" wheels (need info on rolling the fenders too, I guess).

Oh, just FYI, I ended up about 1 second off the winner of STR on a very technical 40-second course.
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Old 10-02-2000, 11:44 AM   #14
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Thumbs up

8, deepbeep, and Overtime
Thanks for the info on your suspension set ups. I am glad to hear that with the AGX's and 5Z springs it is possible to dial in just slightly higher damping than stock. Talk to you later.
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