You want HKS to make a turbo kit CALL!!!

[MPREZYA]

I saw this not even 3 pages into the new issue of Turbo magazine. HKS said they will make a turbo kit if there is enough demand for it since the turbocharged WRX is coming here next year. I suggest everyone on this board call espically us California members wanting a CARB kit from a well known manufacturer. The number is as follows:
(310)763-9600
Please call as this would be a great benifit to the subaru community.
Rich

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[Supaman]

Turbo charger for the RS 2.5 model? Or is it for the WRX?

[RidinLow]

Dammit, it's a 2.5RS, not a RS 2.5!

Isn't HKS stuff way overpriced anyway?

[MPREZYA]

This is for the 2.5/2.2L models so CALL!!!!!!
Not for the WRX as there is already plenty of stuff for that.

OH and on a side note the new issue of CAR has a test drive of the new WRX and gave it a great review other than the usual styling gripes most have. They said the engine is alot more refined and the chassis is alomst 250% stiffer. Performance of the car is definetly better than the original though the styling is questionable. And for those who may wonder about he rear suspension it has been changed slightly so we may not be able to carry stuff over to it.

Also for those who don't know there is an upgrade to the P1's available through the dealer that consists of 18" P1 wheels (the same as the original just bigger for the brakes) with 225/35 tires, Alcon Brakes (same as Adam Blooms except 4 pot rears too), upgraded exhaust, and Recaro seats for close to $6k UK. They say the only downfall to the upgrade package is the seats aren't necessarily worth it as the stockers do fine. Very nice to know that there are some 18" wheels that will fit that wide a tire for our cars.

[This message has been edited by MPREZYA (edited September 30, 2000).]

[MPREZYA]

Sometimes it is but it's still competition for our aftermarket and it's a MAJOR manufacturer.

[N/A]

6K in pounds in more like $9K in the US. HKS is more expensive also. From the articles they had out before on the HKS car it wasn't all that impressive. It ran very low boost and it showed in the results. If they said 250% then you can count that as another BS write up. Are they even aware of what would be involved in making the Impreza even the US RS 250% stiffer? OK weld all the body panels together, take the body off of the frame, put it back on a steel tube frame with alot of cross support, install a roll cage, use huge strut braces and retool the suspension. What are they comparing the new WRX to? The US RS or the US Impreza L? If they said its engine is better then last years they are still on a week long crack smoking binge. A 35 series tire on a street driven car would be assinine. You'd either be slowing to 10mph for every bump and pot hole or be changing your rims and suspension alot. The stock P1 seats are the same STI models everyone has already seen. The upgraded ones are Recaro but you could buy those on your own without going through Prodrive. Only difference is they won't say Prodrive on them. Besides if its to be offered at the dealers then it will be a Subaru Performance Part and they will screw you on the price like they tried to already on the STI parts.

[imprezive]

do the man a favor and at least e-mail them

[MPREZYA]

N/A sorry but I got you confused. I meant the new WRX is in the current CAR magazine. I thought I put that in there.
Rich

[why?]

wow, somebody is in a bad mood!! Car is a BRITISH magazine, so they would be comparing it to the last Impreza WRX(turbo Imp). 250% is not that much, it just depends on how stiff it was too begin with. The P1 is only offered in Britian(DUH) so that's a moot point.(except for maybe somehow importing the wheels, but I bet if I look hard enough, I could find a set that would fit.) 35 series tires could be run and Not effect NVH, it just depends on the suspension settings. I know of a few cars on 40 series tires that still have relatively good quality of ride, and you should avoid potholes at all cost anyways. Plus, they handle much better than stock. And with a few smart mods,(like ITR's softer seat cushions) It might be possible to make ride quality seem better with 35 series tires. Anyways, all that matter's is handling. I do however agree with the analysis of the HKS Impreza. They need to make a better project car so we can see the real results, and not have the car break something important. Also, HKS is more expensive, but they also are proven, and probably more reliable.

[This message has been edited by why? (edited September 30, 2000).]

[mastervic27]

Car and Driver had a comparison test not too long ago and the HKS 2.5RS (~195HP at the motor) suffered from a mass-air sensor failure thus unable to complete the test but the projected performance numbers are no way close to the Minnam's Turbo Kit. Plus it is way too expensive.


http://caranddriver.com/FrameSet/0,1..._cm_00,00.html

[MPREZYA]

Okay I guess no one in the club espically California owners want a Turbo kit from a well known manufacturer that has a great chance of being CARB approved. I have seen all the write ups on the HKS car and I truely believe they underestimated it's power as I first saw it rated at 225hp then it went to 210 and now 195. I don't think HKS has ever put the car on UPRD's dyno. Granted this may not be a perfect kit but people it is also a prototype one off kit meaning if we show enough interest they may actually put more money and research into making a better kit to sell.
Oh well I would have figured that we would want more aftermarket espically from places like HKS but I guess we are all shiny, happy people not wanting the mainstream tuners respect. Well when the WRX shows and you all whine about the aftermarket for it just remember you had your chances.

[Buttsy]

How did CAR ever come up with a 250% stiffer chassis? That's be like saying they redesigned the engine, and now it's 250% more efficient.. it just doesn't happen that way. Not picking on you MPREZYA, just wondering if there was a typeo or something.
And why wouldn't HKS do any work on the new WRX? Seems there'd be all kinds of easy (read: relatively inexpensive) tweaks that could be done to the engine to free up the losses imposed by emmissions standards. If the car doen't break my wallet off of the lot, I'd be in for adding some ponies with a bigger turbo or refined fuel system.

[N/A]

HKS doesn't make many parts for the WRX as is so why would they go to the effort of designing, testing, CARB approving and marketing to a ownership base of 20,000 so far? They would still have to deal with the MAS, and MAP problems. Most of the HKS parts I've seen on cars have been turbo timers and maybe an occasional front mount intercooler. If they'd actually dyno test the project car to get proven results then most of the speculation would go away. There's been more then 3 different HP claims made about it so far. I like HKS, they just don't make alot for the Impreza. They make a huge amount of parts for the Nissan's Japanese market.

[MPREZYA]

It's not a typo about the 250% stiffer the wagon is 239% stiffer as well. I sort of believe it as if you have seen the engine bay shots look at the front shock towers they are now on the firewall not 2-3 inches away from it which would contribute to more stiffness. If you don't beleive me then wait till someone else posts about it or I will try and see if some digital pics of the magazine article will clear things up.

As far as HKS I know they don't make much for our cars currently but they are offering to make a kit if there is enough demand for it. In the new Turbo magazine with the turbo mirage on the front the editiors mention driving it and that HKS will make it if enough people call and list the number above.
All I ask is that people call and tell them they are interested in HKS making a kit for our cars does that mean you have to buy it...no it doesn't. So please call if you see this.
Rich

[Rubr_Duky]

I can't say that I read the articles in question, but I will say that 250% stiffer chassis seems like a typo because while the current chassis isn't a wet noodle, it's not that bad. I notice a little creaking here and there, but I have little to gripe about.

I would like to see a complete turbo kit for the 2.5RS that would get somewhere NEAR the current WRX, if not the 22B, and I would like it to be affordable. I would dare to say that HKS knows what they're doing, and that the numbers shown do seem like test mule numbers, and that if interest were shown, they might pour a little money into a tuned turbo kit instead of pipes bent to "slap" onto a 2.5/2.2. There is a LOT more work to be done to that engine besides a turbo, but that's a start, and HKS does do good turbos.

I am interested, and I am keeping my eye out of a good kit to put on my car. I wouldn't mind having a few more RPMs either.

Put my name on the "interested" list, and keep me posted.


RD

[Joel Gat, 1.8L]

Hello,

Generally, claims like "250% stiffer" are not from the mag itself, but from the gloss that the manufacturer sends to the mags. Mags don't take apart media cars to throw chassis onto frame-bending machines.

The turbo and the US imps are the same, to the poster who seemed to be asking about that. So the new car is 250% stiffer than the current one, here in the US, too.

Joel

[N/A]

Well I asked about what model they were comparing it to because I already took one for a test drive and certainly didn't notice this 250% improvement. I also didn't notice the engine being more refined then the JDM WRX. That is why I asked what they compared it to. I was under the impression they were comparing it to the old UK turbo engine wise and maybe some older Impreza L chasis wise. I think the car will sell good in the US though. Its just not selling well at all where I am. If you want turbo and AWD you can find a used model either built up or stock for less then $20K. That is why I am after a Galant VR4 for the US. They are cheap and parts are plenty. For $3-5K US I can have 220hp and not worry about paying for a warranty that I intend to void.

[Joel Gat, 1.8L]

Hello,

Aside from the fact that I was under the impression that a couple magazines have tested the new model but no one else has (the 2002 models), the stiffness increase is one of those things you should only notice in hard core driving. Remember that in stock form, the suspension will be soft... soft enough that it would take a very experienced driver to notice the chassis rigidity difference (assuming everything else was the same) over the mushy suspension.

As an example, take a car, add a roll cage to it, but keep the stock suspension. You'll barely notice a difference. Add a few hundred pounds to the rating of the springs and then, anyone can notice the difference in rigidity.

Joel

[N/A]

Joel the new WRX has been in the dealerships here in Japan for about a month now. Your right I didn't beat on the car during the drive. Mainly cause I didn't want to be forced to buy the damn thing if something went wrong. If I had $20K to blow it would be at a nearby tuners on his completely built R33 GTR and not the stock WRX.

[MPREZYA]

I hope your all calling....

[MPREZYA]

Bump..... Please call...

[N/A]

Can I just send them an email for you?