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Old 01-02-2004, 01:36 PM   #1
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Default What's the story on the new Subaru SUV?

After a very cramped Xmas trip several hundred miles to the in-laws, my wife and I began talking about a bigger vehicle (than an Outback). It's very hard for me to fathom buying a domestic SUV or even a Toyota or Honda. I'm a die hard Subie guy, and want to stay true if possible.

At any rate, what's the scoop on the SUV that's going to be built on the Legacy platform? All of the pics I've seen were of a minivan (please no..) looking thing, is that it or is it something completely different?

It's about time for Subaru to make a bigger SUV/XUV than a Forester or Legacy based car for those of us with kids and too much stuff to haul...

Any info is greatly appreciated.
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Old 01-02-2004, 01:43 PM   #2
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We're all basically sitting in a holding pattern. Hopefully the big auto shows will present some info in the next couple of months. The sooner the better though I'd definitely agree.
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Old 01-02-2004, 02:19 PM   #3
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I don't have time to filter out a search right now (sorry), but search in this forum for SUV or 7pax or seven seater to get a slew of conversation about it. Or we can always just rehash what we already have said. We're good about that around here.
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Old 01-02-2004, 02:48 PM   #4
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Its most likely going to be a minivan/wagon/SUV crossover rather then a traditional looking SUV. Anyways, here are some old discussions on the vehicle in question

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hreadid=445590
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hreadid=445365
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hreadid=436101
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Old 01-02-2004, 03:23 PM   #5
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most of the links with any info show up as nasioc threads that we've all participated in.

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Old 01-02-2004, 03:26 PM   #6
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Thanks for the info guys.

Hopefully it'll be more like an SUV than a minivan. Not quite ready for that transition yet...
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Old 01-02-2004, 03:30 PM   #7
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Why not, the SUV is the minivan of tomorrow. IMO the same stigma that applies to minivans will soon apply to SUVs.
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Old 01-02-2004, 04:11 PM   #8
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I'm just not overly-excited about the minivan body style.

Your insight might be on track, but I care more about function than a "stigma".. An SUV styled vehicle would work better for me than a van would. If our Outbacks were bigger we keep them both and not worry about it.

If the van is the only option for a 7 passenger Subaru, we might be shopping for something else instead. It might grow on you though, and if it can go places like an OB or Forester it would be more feasible..
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Old 01-03-2004, 12:37 AM   #9
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Fair enough. Glad to hear you'd use the SUV properly
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I don't know about a Subaru SUV. It seems to me that Subaru does best what other manufacturers don't do well or at all. So with the already excessive choice of SUVs out there I believe they would just be getting the crumbs left over in the market pie plate. It wouldn't be a good strategy for a relatively small outfit like Subaru to put their developement and marketing yen into. I'd rather see a crossover vehicle with some Subaru character than yet another SUV.
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Old 01-03-2004, 06:16 PM   #11
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Any spy photo?
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Old 01-03-2004, 08:35 PM   #12
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I don't know about a Subaru SUV. It seems to me that Subaru does best what other manufacturers don't do well or at all. So with the already excessive choice of SUVs out there I believe they would just be getting the crumbs left over in the market pie plate. It wouldn't be a good strategy for a relatively small outfit like Subaru to put their developement and marketing yen into. I'd rather see a crossover vehicle with some Subaru character than yet another SUV.
Yes, for some time Subarus have been the anti-SUVs. Remember the commercial with the couple in their OB that are watching deer in the woods when along comes some idiot in a large SUV who scares the deer (or other woodland creature, but I think it was deer)?

They would look pretty stupid building a truck-based, heavy duty SUV. So, I wouldn't count on some heavy-duty offroading monster like a 4Runner or anything. I'm quite interested to see what they end up coming out with.
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Old 01-03-2004, 09:17 PM   #13
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GuyLR,

I tried to put a small disclaimer in my post with the /XUV..
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It's about time for Subaru to make a bigger SUV/XUV than a Forester or Legacy based car for those of us with kids and too much stuff to haul...
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I know very well how most Subaru people feel about SUVs, and the people that drive them for the most part. I deal with Subaru clients all day long and have for years. I am a die hard Subaru person, but need more room for functionality. That doesn't mean I need a V10 Excursion, nor I am implying that's what type of vehicle Subaru should build. There is definately room in the market for Subaru to build a mid size ?UV vehicle. Something slightly bigger is needed for many Subaru owners, they would buy one right now if it was available. Many loyal Subaru fans NEED more space, it's just a fact of life.
They buy Honda Pilots, Toyotas, and whatever else is out there because it does the job they need it to, and Subaru doesn't make one. If an STI could haul my family and all the gear there'd be one in the driveway right now...It just doesn't cover all of the bases for me.

BTW, Isn't the Forester considered a small SUV? An Outback a crossover utility vehicle? What gives here? If you own a Forester than you are an SUV owner, maybe it's not a Suburban, but an SUV nonetheless. So is an Impreza chassis with a boxy body a bad idea? No way, look at how well the Forester has done vs. the other small SUVs in all comparos. Is a Legacy (Outback) that's lifted with bigger wheels and tires and better suspension a bad idea? No way, look at how many auto manufacturers have copied exactly what Subaru has done and get $10k more for their cars... Let's face it, Subaru has the AWD, Suspension, and powerplant technology to build a kick a** ?UV that could set another new standard for the market to follow, why shouldn't it be built if the demand is there? I'm not talking about a 4 ton vehicle that rides on a truck chassis. An AWD (maybe dual range/ locking diffs), independent suspension with one more row of seats than an Outback, that is at least as capable offroad, and not shaped like a minivan.


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What about the guy in the WRX with full exhaust blazing trail like in the commercial in the woods? That can stir the deer a bit too.
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Old 01-03-2004, 09:51 PM   #14
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Yes, for some time Subarus have been the anti-SUVs.
Well, actually, SOA has been promoting their SUWs (sport utilily wagons) and SUSs (sport utiliity sedans) for years. In other words, SOA has been promoting Outbacks. Is the Outback an anti-SUV? I doubt this.
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Old 01-03-2004, 09:57 PM   #15
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See, I disagree. I think the Outback is the anti-SUV. It says that one can have a safe, all-weather capable car withoug being in a big truck.

I also completely understand the argument about some people needing bigger vehicles. My wife and I have 4 kids, for example. I'm just saying that from Subaru I'd expect more of a car-based 7 passenger crossover type vehicle than an all out truck-based one.
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An AWD (maybe dual range/ locking diffs), independent suspension with one more row of seats than an Outback, that is at least as capable offroad, and not shaped like a minivan.
Hmm. Bi-Drive Recreational All-terrain Transporter. Sounds a lot like like a BRAT.

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Yes, for some time Subarus have been the anti-SUVs. Remember the commercial with the couple in their OB that are watching deer in the woods when along comes some idiot in a large SUV who scares the deer (or other woodland creature, but I think it was deer)?

They would look pretty stupid building a truck-based, heavy duty SUV. So, I wouldn't count on some heavy-duty offroading monster like a 4Runner or anything. I'm quite interested to see what they end up coming out with.
I would agree with Jon that Subaru has always promoted their SUV's (wagons and sedans are vehicles, right?). I would "argue" that those commercials showing the boisterous punks in the large SUV's (and owners) were characterized to be immature and irresponsible. The Outback was being shown as much more practical for people who are responsible and truly appreciate the outdoors. To own an Outback shows that you must have a need for the more offroad capability or you would have just bought the Legacy.
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Old 01-03-2004, 11:01 PM   #18
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To own an Outback shows that you must have a need for the more offroad capability or you would have just bought the Legacy.
For most buyers it just looks cooler than the regular Legacy. I see a ton of Outbacks everywhere and I'll bet most of them have never been off pavement.
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For most buyers it just looks cooler than the regular Legacy. I see a ton of Outbacks everywhere and I'll bet most of them have never been off pavement.
OK, true. People like that body cladding, and then they gripe about Pontiac. Still, I bet a higher percentage go off pavement than other SUV's (Jeep being the only possible exception).
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Many loyal Subaru fans NEED more space, it's just a fact of life.
I'd be careful about the word "need". I said the exact same thing on the subject and even said "need" and several people around here really got their panties in a bundle based on the simple word...

As for blasting the guy (maybe not really "blasting" but "commenting"?) for not searching the forum, you know, this subject really does need to be refreshed quite often because there are a LOT of us waiting on the 7-seater. Sometimes, it only takes a new thread to get people to participate again.

On the subject of the 7-seater, the painful wait for ANY info from Subaru on this is killing my patience!! Hell, it is the quest to gain this information which brought me to this forum in the first place. After thinking about it, maybe it is time we start demanding more info from Subaru?

Here are just a couple of my own ideas what we the loyal Subaru enthusiasts can do with our combined resources to possibly get more info on this painfully elusive vehicle:

1) For starters, it would be great if somehow there was a special forum thread about the 7-passenger vehicle (maybe this one?) that always stayed on the first page in this forum so that people remember its there. Maybe Subaru will also see how important information on this vehicle is to its customer base and will start their hype machine on this forum?

2) Perhaps we can arrange an online petition to Subaru to somehow get them to give us more info our at least a more-likely sketch of said vehicle? If enough people ask...

3) Focus group people... TALK!!!I KNOW for a FACT that they demoed the car for at least a day's worth of focus groups earlier this year. Many of the groups were reportedly comprised of Subaru owners so surely at least ONE of them might be privy to this forum... It'd be nice if somehow SOMEBODY who was there could speak up at least on anonymity... Hell at least tell us your overall opinion if you don't want to give specifics!!!

4) In that issue of Japan's "Driver" magazine, the issue with the red thumbnail of what appears to be the new Subaru 7-seater, are there any more pictures (at least a bigger image) or info INSIDE the magazine? Does anyone have the actual issue? This seems to have somehow fallen by the wayside...
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As for blasting the guy (maybe not really "blasting" but "commenting"?) for not searching the forum, you know, this subject really does need to be refreshed quite often because there are a LOT of us waiting on the 7-seater. Sometimes, it only takes a new thread to get people to participate again.
The PC mentality is stretching to the forum where even mentioning a search is called blasting? A reminder to do so, giving key words to search, and even follow up of other threads is helpful. Yes, people can participate again, but the original person may want to read up on what has already been said. If the search is done first, a comment can be made to bump up a thread and keep everything together.
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The PC mentality is stretching to the forum where even mentioning a search is called blasting? A reminder to do so, giving key words to search, and even follow up of other threads is helpful. Yes, people can participate again, but the original person may want to read up on what has already been said. If the search is done first, a comment can be made to bump up a thread and keep everything together.
If you look at the text of mine you quoted, I already clarified that I saw it as more of a standard legit comment and not necesarily as a "blast", so don't take it so personally.

Yes, it is also true you can post on an old thread to move it up, but in the case of some threads, they become so long-winded and stale that sometimes they need a fresh new start. For example, remember that epic thread about the new Legacy with like a gazillion posts? I don't know about you, but that thread has gotten so all over the place and old that i don't even feel like responding anymore in fear I will get my ass handed to me for not reading a post on page 57 before posting or whatever!
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The Subie 7-passenger crossover is more VW Touareg-like in terms of off-road/towing capability than the Honda Pilot. Heck, if it falls halfway in between those two, in terms of capability, it would about perfect IMO.

At the very least, I hope it comes with a dual-range tranny and a full-size spare.

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Well, Subaru has offered dual range in their cars before, so it wouldn't be unprecedented. We'll just have to wait and see I guess.

Initially I was pretty excited about Subaru offering a 7 passenger vehicle (like I said, I have a 6 person family). But the wife and I have decided that neither one of us particularly enjoys driving 7 passenger vehicles and we constantly debate as to who will get stuck with the van to drive to work that day, etc. So, we've pretty much decided that we're going to revert to owing 2 four/five passenger vehicles rather than continuing to buy a large 7 passenger vehicle. Therefore, on the rare instances that all of us go somewhere at the same it looks like we'll be taking two cars in the future. In the rare event that we go on a vacation involving lots of drive time we could just rent a (gasp!) minivan, which would keep the excessive miles off our cars anyway.

What she wants: an Infiniti G35X or an Outback H6; what I want: a new turbo Leg. Why have only one fun car in the driveway when you can have two?
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