JDM STi 6 speed with Suretrac - Page 2

Julio · 01-12-2004, 04:43 PM

BTW - Email Max (Gruppe-S) about my tranny. Here's his response.

"Hi,

Some of the trannies for the AA have the SureTrack as well... the AA, BA, CA are indications of production revision class, not necessarily what they are... most of the AA's do not have suretrac, but we always request our trannies to have suretrac.

Thanks

Max"

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serious · 01-12-2004, 04:46 PM

Hmmm...first you say i can't check it this way and then you say i can? Which one is it

? Also you said by the catolog you have it says it wasn't at first and then you later say it is?
Dude, what's going on

?!!
Brent

Julio · 01-12-2004, 04:49 PM

As for my catalog: It is NOT. As for the photo I say yes.

As it being suretrack... do the test... turn the driveshaft... it front axles turns opposite, you DON'T have a Suretrack.

However: Take a look at Max' answer to my e-mail. I can't do the test yest, since I don't have the driveshaft and axles here. But as soon as I get them, I will test and see if my 6MT has indeed SureTrack as I requested.

serious · 01-12-2004, 04:53 PM

So if i do the test (already did and they turn oppsite) does that mean i have the other lsd then? Somewhere somebody said that the 03 jdm sti 6mt ALL have a front lsd. So does that mean i have the "Other" lsd or what?
Brent

Julio · 01-12-2004, 04:58 PM

That particular question Im not sure... You may contact Max (Gruppe-S) They do receive LOTS of parts from Japan on a weekly/monthly basis.

serious · 01-14-2004, 05:33 PM

Ok, Which driveshaft are you referring to? There are 3 of them

! I was turning the front driveshaft, not the rear spline that goes to the rear differential.
I turned the front ones, they go the opposite direction. When i turned the back one, they both wen the same way.
Any ideas?
Thanks
Brent

I called gruppes (didn't talk to max, but someone else) and they said that if it's from a 03 New head lights, not the old round ones, then it's almost for sure that it has a limited slip in the front.

serious · 01-14-2004, 10:26 PM

I think i've figured out the mystery with many hours or searching

.
jdm 2000 and up 6mt-Suretrac was optional-If someone opted for it then you will have the dccd unit with auto mode-13.0:1 quick steering ratio and possibly 17'' wheels. Other things would be no transmission oil cooler and the engine would have a regular oil cooler on it and not the air to oil one of the spec c.

Does anyone agree with this stuff? I pulled all this information up on different jdm exporter websites and it's pretty much conclusive.

If this is true....and i hope it is....then i have dccd and a suretrac front lsd.

Brent

dwx · 01-15-2004, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Julio
As for my catalog: It is NOT. As for the photo I say yes.
As it being suretrack... do the test... turn the driveshaft... it front axles turns opposite, you DON'T have a Suretrack.

However: Take a look at Max' answer to my e-mail. I can't do the test yest, since I don't have the driveshaft and axles here. But as soon as I get them, I will test and see if my 6MT has indeed SureTrack as I requested.

That test doesn't work on a Suretrac diff just like it doesn't work on a Quaife diff. It's a torsen type diff, in that it needs to sense a difference in torque from one wheel to the other to work. If there is no load on one side of the diff, it acts like an open diff.

Julio · 01-15-2004, 07:23 PM

Yes, I knew. In fact I told him a few posts ago (1st page)

serious · 01-15-2004, 07:56 PM

That's cool, so there's still hope. Right now i'm thinking i do have a suretrac front diff.

Here's the next question-can you mix a suretrack front diff with a viscous non suretrack rear diff? In all the jdm reviews that i read the cars were either one or the other (either front and rear suretrack mechanical lsd or viscous open front and viscous rear lsd).
Brent

Julio · 01-15-2004, 08:01 PM

Brent:

All info I have gathered on this last question is exactly the same you wrote.

(either front and rear suretrack mechanical lsd or viscous open front and viscous rear lsd).

serious · 01-15-2004, 08:06 PM

Say huh?
Brent

Turbo4me · 02-16-2004, 11:14 PM

Brent,

How is your tranny doing? I have the same thing in my car (waiting on the driveshaft), and I think it is DCCD. Any drivability problems? Did you use a 3.90 rear diff, or is yours a 4.44?

Curt

Julio · 02-17-2004, 03:26 AM

Curt:

Im sure he has a 3:90 Using a 4:44 will give you very fast acceleration, but will top at around 115-120mph with that 6-speed.

If you look at the front diff, does it has a "shaft" in the center?

Turbo4me · 02-17-2004, 11:48 AM

I didn't look at the front diff at all. We just stuck the tranny up there and when we were hooking up the wires, we found a 6 pin plug where my 5 spd had a 4 pin.

My worry was that this was a 4.44 final drive tranny as opposed to a 3.90, but I think we are OK on that.

Do you happen to have the ratios for the different trannies? I have searched several different ways, but I am not coming up with anything.

Curt

Julio · 02-17-2004, 11:58 AM

STi ratios: 3.636 (1st), 2.375 (2nd), 1.761 (3rd), 1.346 (4th), 0.971 (5th), 0.756 (6th), 3.545 (Rev.), 3.900 (final drive).

There are variations to these numbers, but just so you have an idea.

Rice Boi · 06-11-2004, 01:36 PM

just wondering, I have a ACT clutch and flywheel from my stock WRX tranny. If I do the Sti 6spd swap, can I still use this clutch?

AXA · 06-13-2004, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Julio
Brent:

The tranny on those photos is indeed a DCCD tranny. Same as I showed in my photo. If I were you, Id give Gruppe-S a call.

I will give Max a call tomorrow morning. Mine is TY856WB1AA and Chaste shows it up as STD front/Ctr/Rear diff. All info I have says it is a Suretrack Front diff as I requested.

Will let you know.

Julio I have the same tranny you have TY856WB1AA.
You can check out the picture in this thread …….. http://www.clubwrx.net/forums/showth...threadid=67242

My question is I am confused reading all this info on this subject is my tranny or not DCCD because I am mounting the tranny in the car as we speak and I what to do this swap by the book…

If my tranny is DCCD what do I need to do ???

Please take a look at the picture and let me know..

Thanks

Julio · 06-13-2004, 12:53 PM

AXA - Your tranny is NOT DCCD. Also depending where you got it from, it is very probably it is not SureTrac. Max from Gruppe-S tries to get them with SureTrac all the time.

Mine has SureTrac.

AXA · 06-13-2004, 01:08 PM

The Tranny came from Japan from a local parts dealer here in Dominican Republic..

gpatmac · 06-14-2004, 08:45 PM

Mhmm?

Benjamin Tang · 06-14-2004, 10:15 PM

wow... that shipping crate is pretty impressive

ImprezaRSfan! · 06-14-2004, 11:51 PM

TY856WB3JA
anyone know what it is? is it 3.9 or 4.44?

Julio · 06-15-2004, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Benjamin Tang
wow... that shipping crate is pretty impressive

3:90

tyrel.boyce · 02-17-2013, 05:58 PM

TY856WB3KA

This is the same tranny Code as mine and it has auto dccd and suretrac on it as what i have found out.

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01-12-2004, 04:43 PM	#26
Julio Scooby Specialist Member#: 6363 Join Date: May 2001 Location: Gossip Island Vehicle: 10 Sec. Club Element - Crawford	BTW - Email Max (Gruppe-S) about my tranny. Here's his response. "Hi, Some of the trannies for the AA have the SureTrack as well... the AA, BA, CA are indications of production revision class, not necessarily what they are... most of the AA's do not have suretrac, but we always request our trannies to have suretrac. Thanks Max" * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

01-12-2004, 04:46 PM	#27
serious Scooby Specialist Member#: 22879 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: missoula , montana	Hmmm...first you say i can't check it this way and then you say i can? Which one is it ? Also you said by the catolog you have it says it wasn't at first and then you later say it is? Dude, what's going on ?!! Brent

01-12-2004, 04:49 PM	#28
Julio Scooby Specialist Member#: 6363 Join Date: May 2001 Location: Gossip Island Vehicle: 10 Sec. Club Element - Crawford	As for my catalog: It is NOT. As for the photo I say yes. As it being suretrack... do the test... turn the driveshaft... it front axles turns opposite, you DON'T have a Suretrack. However: Take a look at Max' answer to my e-mail. I can't do the test yest, since I don't have the driveshaft and axles here. But as soon as I get them, I will test and see if my 6MT has indeed SureTrack as I requested.

01-12-2004, 04:53 PM	#29
serious Scooby Specialist Member#: 22879 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: missoula , montana	So if i do the test (already did and they turn oppsite) does that mean i have the other lsd then? Somewhere somebody said that the 03 jdm sti 6mt ALL have a front lsd. So does that mean i have the "Other" lsd or what? Brent

01-12-2004, 04:58 PM	#30
Julio Scooby Specialist Member#: 6363 Join Date: May 2001 Location: Gossip Island Vehicle: 10 Sec. Club Element - Crawford	That particular question Im not sure... You may contact Max (Gruppe-S) They do receive LOTS of parts from Japan on a weekly/monthly basis.

01-14-2004, 05:33 PM	#31
serious Scooby Specialist Member#: 22879 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: missoula , montana	Ok, Which driveshaft are you referring to? There are 3 of them ! I was turning the front driveshaft, not the rear spline that goes to the rear differential. I turned the front ones, they go the opposite direction. When i turned the back one, they both wen the same way. Any ideas? Thanks Brent I called gruppes (didn't talk to max, but someone else) and they said that if it's from a 03 New head lights, not the old round ones, then it's almost for sure that it has a limited slip in the front.

01-14-2004, 10:26 PM	#32
serious Scooby Specialist Member#: 22879 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: missoula , montana	I think i've figured out the mystery with many hours or searching . jdm 2000 and up 6mt-Suretrac was optional-If someone opted for it then you will have the dccd unit with auto mode-13.0:1 quick steering ratio and possibly 17'' wheels. Other things would be no transmission oil cooler and the engine would have a regular oil cooler on it and not the air to oil one of the spec c. Does anyone agree with this stuff? I pulled all this information up on different jdm exporter websites and it's pretty much conclusive. If this is true....and i hope it is....then i have dccd and a suretrac front lsd. Brent

01-15-2004, 07:23 PM	#34
Julio Scooby Specialist Member#: 6363 Join Date: May 2001 Location: Gossip Island Vehicle: 10 Sec. Club Element - Crawford	Yes, I knew. In fact I told him a few posts ago (1st page)

01-15-2004, 07:56 PM	#35
serious Scooby Specialist Member#: 22879 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: missoula , montana	That's cool, so there's still hope. Right now i'm thinking i do have a suretrac front diff. Here's the next question-can you mix a suretrack front diff with a viscous non suretrack rear diff? In all the jdm reviews that i read the cars were either one or the other (either front and rear suretrack mechanical lsd or viscous open front and viscous rear lsd). Brent

01-15-2004, 08:01 PM	#36
Julio Scooby Specialist Member#: 6363 Join Date: May 2001 Location: Gossip Island Vehicle: 10 Sec. Club Element - Crawford	Brent: All info I have gathered on this last question is exactly the same you wrote. (either front and rear suretrack mechanical lsd or viscous open front and viscous rear lsd).

01-15-2004, 08:06 PM	#37
serious Scooby Specialist Member#: 22879 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: missoula , montana	Say huh? Brent

02-16-2004, 11:14 PM	#38
Turbo4me Scooby Specialist Member#: 2200 Join Date: Aug 2000 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Hillsboro, OR Vehicle: 2011 WRB WRX 08 Maz 3, 96 Landcruiser	Brent, How is your tranny doing? I have the same thing in my car (waiting on the driveshaft), and I think it is DCCD. Any drivability problems? Did you use a 3.90 rear diff, or is yours a 4.44? Curt

02-17-2004, 03:26 AM	#39
Julio Scooby Specialist Member#: 6363 Join Date: May 2001 Location: Gossip Island Vehicle: 10 Sec. Club Element - Crawford	Curt: Im sure he has a 3:90 Using a 4:44 will give you very fast acceleration, but will top at around 115-120mph with that 6-speed. If you look at the front diff, does it has a "shaft" in the center?

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Turbo4me Scooby Specialist Member#: 2200 Join Date: Aug 2000 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Hillsboro, OR Vehicle: 2011 WRB WRX 08 Maz 3, 96 Landcruiser	I didn't look at the front diff at all. We just stuck the tranny up there and when we were hooking up the wires, we found a 6 pin plug where my 5 spd had a 4 pin. My worry was that this was a 4.44 final drive tranny as opposed to a 3.90, but I think we are OK on that. Do you happen to have the ratios for the different trannies? I have searched several different ways, but I am not coming up with anything. Curt

02-17-2004, 11:58 AM	#41
Julio Scooby Specialist Member#: 6363 Join Date: May 2001 Location: Gossip Island Vehicle: 10 Sec. Club Element - Crawford	STi ratios: 3.636 (1st), 2.375 (2nd), 1.761 (3rd), 1.346 (4th), 0.971 (5th), 0.756 (6th), 3.545 (Rev.), 3.900 (final drive). There are variations to these numbers, but just so you have an idea.

06-11-2004, 01:36 PM	#42
Rice Boi Scooby Specialist Member#: 25811 Join Date: Oct 2002 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: all over WA Vehicle: 2002 WRX (6spd) 2010 TDI CupEdition (DSG)	just wondering, I have a ACT clutch and flywheel from my stock WRX tranny. If I do the Sti 6spd swap, can I still use this clutch?

06-13-2004, 12:53 PM	#44
Julio Scooby Specialist Member#: 6363 Join Date: May 2001 Location: Gossip Island Vehicle: 10 Sec. Club Element - Crawford	AXA - Your tranny is NOT DCCD. Also depending where you got it from, it is very probably it is not SureTrac. Max from Gruppe-S tries to get them with SureTrac all the time. Mine has SureTrac.

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AXA Scooby Newbie Member#: 35566 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Dominican Republic Vehicle: 2002 STI WRX GT30R WRC Blue	The Tranny came from Japan from a local parts dealer here in Dominican Republic..

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gpatmac Scooby Guru Member#: 18446 Join Date: May 2002 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Alexandria, VA Vehicle: 2002 WRX wagon psm	Mhmm?

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Benjamin Tang Scooby Guru Member#: 4496 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: British Columbia Canada Vehicle: 2009 Forester red	wow... that shipping crate is pretty impressive

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ImprezaRSfan! Scooby Specialist Member#: 13520 Join Date: Dec 2001 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Springfield, VA Vehicle: 99rs ej207 spec-c its for sale	TY856WB3JA anyone know what it is? is it 3.9 or 4.44?

02-17-2013, 05:58 PM	#50
tyrel.boyce Scooby Newbie Member#: 270178 Join Date: Jan 2011 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Bismarck ND Vehicle: 2002 Subaru WRB HTA68 ported	TY856WB3KA This is the same tranny Code as mine and it has auto dccd and suretrac on it as what i have found out.