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Old 01-11-2004, 08:54 PM   #26
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Hey, didn't we put pink adjustables on your car?

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No... I live in Louisiana now and do all my own work too
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Old 01-11-2004, 10:52 PM   #27
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No... I live in Louisiana now and do all my own work too
Crap....then I'm thinking of someone else with a similar screen name.

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Old 01-11-2004, 10:54 PM   #28
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Yeah, there's a guy on here with my screen name w/o the underscore. How's your wagon doing? Any new suspension toys in the works?
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Old 01-12-2004, 01:01 AM   #29
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Running:

Prodrive Springs
Koni Inserts
Rear Whiteline adjustable bar
Street alignment
225/45/17's on Prodrive P7's

No rubbing ever.
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Old 01-12-2004, 01:17 AM   #30
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02 Wagon

-STi V7/SPT 'red' struts
-Prodrive Springs
-225/45/17 Pirelli P6000s on Prodrive P7s (street)
-245/50/16 V700 VictoRacers on 6 spoke RS wheels (track)

No rubbing that I'm aware of...then again, at the track...I can't hear much in that helmet

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Old 01-12-2004, 03:56 AM   #31
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04 wagon

17x7.5 rota downshifts, ET48
225/45-17 azenis

rubbed on the rear fender lips, stock... that is if i was going pretty damn fast, or had a couple of people in the back seat. It was almost to the point of cutting into the tires... so the rubbing wasn't that bad.

I had the fender lips rolled, now no issues.
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Old 01-12-2004, 03:58 AM   #32
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what type of places do fender rolling ...
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Old 01-19-2004, 02:22 PM   #33
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what type of places do fender rolling ...

contact safir - he has a fender roller he'll rent to you for a bunch less than it would cost to have it done.
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Old 01-25-2004, 11:38 PM   #34
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Cusco Zero-2R coilover suspension (3 for street and 5-front/4-rear for auto-x)
I've been thinking about experimenting with spring rates on my zero2rs, but hesitated as I assumed damping was matched to the as delivered 7f/5r rates. Looks like you have deviated significantly from these -- how well are the shocks able to compensate?
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Old 01-25-2004, 11:45 PM   #35
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I've been thinking about experimenting with spring rates on my zero2rs, but hesitated as I assumed damping was matched to the as delivered 7f/5r rates. Looks like you have deviated significantly from these -- how well are the shocks able to compensate?
If the coilover has adjustable damping, just change settings to match the spring rate. This was what I did when fiddling with spring rates on my DMS Golds.

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Old 01-26-2004, 09:58 AM   #36
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I would hope Steve doesn't get any rubbing with that setup, he has no suspension movement whatsover!

but I have to say, its a bit irksome when someone says they don't have any rubbing because a) either they have incredible spring rates so the tire never even gets to the point of rubbing or b) they are at stock ride heights and never push things hard enough to get rubbing. its just not a fair assesment if a specific wheel/tire/suspension doesn't show/indicate full suspension travel. This is by no means a dis on MNbiker. .

Steve, what alignment settings do you have in the rear? This might give some folks an idea of how much negative camber one might need to avoid rubbage when having a car lowered that much.
Sure I have suspension movement. The ride's firm, but no worse than any high-end coilover setup. (note - I'm sure the ride will suffer with the 10K springs in the rear this year, but it's an autox car, so I care more about performance than ride. )

BTW - what I find irksome is people who expect no rubbing or premature strut wear when they install lowering springs with stock or nearly stock spring rates and struts. No offense, Arnie

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JIC FLT-A2 coilovers, 7K front/7K rear (going to 8K/10K this year)
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17 x 7.5" Rota Attacks with 225/45-17 Falken Azenis
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Old 01-26-2004, 01:49 PM   #37
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BTW - what I find irksome is people who expect no rubbing or premature strut wear when they install lowering springs with stock or nearly stock spring rates and struts. No offense, Arnie

-Steve
Definitely! Agreed! I still see quite a few posts by people complaining about crap performance or rubbing with stock dampers and lowering springs. But we're all newbs at some point or another and it takes some time to learn about how all these mods affect things.

Steve, I have question regarding your set up and suspension travel.

I was on canyon run yesterday and we were climbing some steep, stair-step type180 degree hairpins. I took a look at a WRX (with STi V7 struts/V8 pink Springs) behind me as he came around that turn and it exhibited tremendous suspension extension. Inside wheel was fully extended and the outside wheel was fully compressed. Both wheels were on the ground clawing their way around the corner. This got me to thinking about short stroke suspensions like your JIC's. I had an STI with JIC's on jackstands in my garage and I was kinda shocked at how little the wheels drooped when I raised the car.

I was wondering how a car with a short stroke setup such as yourself would react to really extreme load angles such as those I described. Do you think you would have wheel lift? Would you need to take a different line to stay on the ground?

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Old 01-26-2004, 02:09 PM   #38
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Arnie, cars with shorter travel such as say a JIC setup will lift a wheel going up a drive way.

I used to run a JIC setup, 7/6 with no rubbing.

Now I'm running v7 struts/springs. I'm going to experiment with lower rate springs on the JIC for kicks.

My car setup:

v7 struts/springs/tops
Cusco rear 22mm adj
f+r Whiteline Strut Bars
STi alu arms
Whiteline rear diff hanger bushings
18" Prodrive P1 wheels

0 toe all around
-1.5 camber front and forget the rear, but I think 0 rear camber.
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Old 01-26-2004, 05:45 PM   #39
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02 Wagon
Whiteline control springs
Koni inserts
Cusco front and reat sway bars
ALK ( and soon V2 Cusco brace)
Whiteline Steering Rack Bushings
Front and Rear Whiteline strut bars
STI Rear Diff Support and Whiteline front Rear Diff bushings
Team Dynamics Rim 2000 17x7.5 rims 48 offset with 215/45 Kumho Supra 712's with no rubbing ever, even with 5 people in the car and trunk full of camping stuff.

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Old 01-26-2004, 06:00 PM   #40
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I was wondering how a car with a short stroke setup such as yourself would react to really extreme load angles such as those I described. Do you think you would have wheel lift? Would you need to take a different line to stay on the ground?
In the situation you describe, I'd wager my car would be far less likely to lift a wheel than a stock WRX. It's all in the suspension tuning (damping rates, f/r spring rates, f/r swaybars). I managed to lift a wheel several times when my WRX was still stock. However, I can only think of one time (short of an odd situation like driving over a curb at an angle) where my car has lifted a wheel - and that was in a competitive situation with the car not perfectly set up and being pushed very hard. Disclaimer: road surface & conditions can have a significant impact.

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Old 01-26-2004, 07:57 PM   #41
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MNBiker, SmokingMan, thanks for your input/experiences.
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Old 01-27-2004, 01:00 AM   #42
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hotchkis springs here ,stock wheels/tires for now, going to get hotchkis swaybar kit 1" thickness, wanna get Advan RG wheels sized 16x7 5x100 +47 offset with toyo t1s tires sized 205/50/r16, any advice?
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Old 01-27-2004, 01:43 AM   #43
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No rubbing in rear with 17X7 et 48 with 225/45/17 SO3s. SPT suspension (no real lowering), ~1.2 neg camber rear, loading the rear to slippage. My only caveat is that this is my street experience, so the short time during which the rear suspension is loaded during the corners is probably less than on the track (no track experience yet), and the spring/shock combo might keep the wheel out of the wheel well. Eyeballing the rear at rest looks like it should rub, but doesn't.

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Old 01-28-2004, 06:44 PM   #44
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I'm sure someone mentioned about the rear diff. somewhere in another thread... (Soooooo many topics!)

Anyways, I finally got my HKS Hipermax II coilovers and Wow are they awesome! High Speed driving has never been this much fun! Haven't tackled any twisties yet since I bought new tyres to go along with them. The only weaknesss I can see is that the car bounces on slower speeds. <--- maybe I haven't dialed the damping & rebound right. I noticed that HKS is almost similar to the DMS brand so can anyone suggest how many clicks towards soft I should go to get a comfy ride? I'm using 5F / 4R spring rates. Or is ride height affecting the bumpiness?
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Old 01-28-2004, 09:30 PM   #45
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'02 WRX Wagon
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ASA LW5 17x7.5" wheels
Kumho MX 225x45/17
Whiteline 22mm RSB
Solid Droplinks Front and Rear

LOVE the new suspension (Koni/Prodrive). Only issue is the very loud Kumho MX tires and their width. Had no problem with 225's on the stock suspension but now get a little rear rub over big dips in the road. I'll go with quiet 215's in the future (possibly the "quiet" Falken Azenis ST-115's) in order to solve both problems.

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Old 01-29-2004, 02:01 AM   #46
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no rubbing on my car...

prodrive springs
bbs sti wheels 17 x 7.5, 53 offset
225-45-17 bridgestone re-040
cusco rear strut bar
cusco rear sway
kartboy rear endlinks
noltec front endlinks

i love the setup, but i am in need of some struts.

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Old 01-29-2004, 05:39 PM   #47
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You need Koni's.

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Old 01-29-2004, 07:08 PM   #48
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bbs sti wheels 17 x 7.5, 53 offset
aren't the bbs sti wheels 17x7?
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Old 01-29-2004, 07:27 PM   #49
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I have to say, its a bit irksome when someone says they don't have any rubbing because ... b) they are at stock ride heights and never push things hard enough to get rubbing.
I'm very interested to know people's experiences with 225/45/17 tires on stock suspension, so please stop discouraging folks with stock suspension from sharing their rubbing experiences. The other big thread on this subject also discouraged input from folks running stock suspension, which is a shame IMHO.

We can't have it both ways here - if we're gonna encourage folks to do searches and only start new threads when necessary, then we should also encourage people to share their experiences when appropriate.
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Old 01-29-2004, 07:45 PM   #50
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I run 225/35/18, kinda the same thing, it's fine for me, amazing impovement in responce and grip around hard corners, it still feels slow to catch up in the rear, but nothing a new sway can't fix. With the 225 tires it feels like a completely different car. But I'm also running Yoko Parada's, so that could have somthing to do w/ it as well. I do hear it rubbing in the rear when I push it really hard, about 35+ when pushing through a really sharp corner, or in really quick unexpected turns.

Anybody use V8 STI struts on there wagon yet? How did you fix the rear camber/caster issue? Are eccentric bolts in the rear enough to fix it? Or do I need to invest in a set of adjustable tops. And are there any adjustable tops that fit the '04 setup? Hope I'm not detouring the post.

I'll post mine when the suspension's all done later in the month/early next month. Well not done done, but dang close!
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