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Old 01-29-2004, 09:13 PM   #51
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yeah those are really nice, but expensive arent they? i want to find some v5 or v7 sti struts.
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Old 01-29-2004, 11:14 PM   #52
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You need to do some research.

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Old 01-30-2004, 02:33 AM   #53
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03 Wagon

USDM v8STI struts
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Bridgestone SO3 225/45/17

Rubbing only in the rear since it's been lowered. I'm getting my rear fenders rolled.
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Old 01-30-2004, 08:13 AM   #54
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Moondoogle,

How do like that set-up on the track? I currently have Tanabe Coilovers, and am getting sick of the BANG in the rear when going over bumps (caused by the compression of the "helper" springs). I have been seriously considering going back to a strut/spring set-up with camber plates in front, adjustable rear "camber links" (Like these ) and STi rear topmounts. Where'd you source your STi V8 stuff from? Will any front camber plate work (I currently have Cuscos)? What did you do for rear top mounts? I thought the 04 springs aren't compatible with the 03 top mounts? How is the ride height? I don't want that "rear sag".

Sorry for all the questions.

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Old 01-30-2004, 11:22 AM   #55
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I'm very interested to know people's experiences with 225/45/17 tires on stock suspension, so please stop discouraging folks with stock suspension from sharing their rubbing experiences. The other big thread on this subject also discouraged input from folks running stock suspension, which is a shame IMHO.

We can't have it both ways here - if we're gonna encourage folks to do searches and only start new threads when necessary, then we should also encourage people to share their experiences when appropriate.
Just FYI- I also had zero rubbing issues back when I was totally stock (suspension-wise) and had 225/45 17's.
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Old 01-30-2004, 12:28 PM   #56
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yeh I don't rub either with 225/45 on stock supspension either. Planning on going to Prodrive springs when it get warmer.
Hopefully it'll be ok.

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Old 01-30-2004, 12:33 PM   #57
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Moondoogle,

How do like that set-up on the track? I currently have Tanabe Coilovers, and am getting sick of the BANG in the rear when going over bumps (caused by the compression of the "helper" springs). I have been seriously considering going back to a strut/spring set-up with camber plates in front, adjustable rear "camber links" (Like these ) and STi rear topmounts. Where'd you source your STi V8 stuff from? Will any front camber plate work (I currently have Cuscos)? What did you do for rear top mounts? I thought the 04 springs aren't compatible with the 03 top mounts? How is the ride height? I don't want that "rear sag".

Sorry for all the questions.

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Mav1C: I haven't had a chance to track it yet, but that will change in a couple of weeks as I'm signed up for a track event on the 11th. I'll let you know my impressions after I get some laps on them.
I sourced the v8 takeoffs fairly cheap from a local guy that bought some coilovers for his STI. I bought the v8 Pink springs from Z1 Performance. I'm currently using the stock v8 STI tops in the rear along with camber bolts and was able to get -1.2 degrees camber in the rear initially. The v8 tops bolt right in. After some noticeable tire wear, I kick it down to -0.6 using only the camber bolts. Be careful with using the Hotchkis links on a wagon as another guy on the boards said they were too wide for his wagon. I think they're made for the sedan, but you would think that by being adjustable, they could work. I'm just writing what I saw.
I picked up some Cusco GC8 lateral links and trailing arms and will install them before the track session too. As far as any camber plates working, I pretty sure I've read some others running either Cusco or Noltec with their STI struts. I can vouch for PDE's working. The ride height with the PDE's wasn't raised too much, about 3/8", or half that of most others. I would definitely recommend either the Group N tops or camber plates instead of the stock STI/WRX tops. I noticed a marked difference in suspension reaction after installing the camber plates. The bouncing I was experience on the highway was eliminated completely. The suspension was forced to work instead of working stock tops.
Regarding rear sag. I was concerned about this too and posted a thread a little bit ago asking what others thought of running the pinks in front and Spec C rears, but those that answered said that the spring rate imbalance would be too great. I didn't want to buy as set of Spec C springs to just experiment, so I don't really know if it would work. The v7 pinks and Spec C spring would be a closer match, but I like the higher rates of the v8 pinks. I heard PDE is working on a rear set of plates, so I'll probably hold out for those and raise the back end a little. If you want to see my wagon height without the PDE plates installed, check out this thread I posted on a brake install. Scroll until you get to the pics on the second page. The pics are with the pink springs installed only. http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...5&pagenumber=2
I haven't really push the suspension hard because I have to get the rear fenders rolled, but that's next weekend.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

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Old 01-30-2004, 04:05 PM   #58
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I have H&R springs on my 2002 Wagon, still with the stock struts.

Forgive me that I'm not real familiar with the fine points of upgrading the WRX suspension. I have a couple questions that may be obvious to many of you.

I have noticed that it is underdamped with the stock shocks.

I'm thinking of getting either Koni inserts, or new struts.

- What would be a good strut to go with the slightly stiff H&R springs? I'm just looking to get the struts back in balance with the springs.

- Are the Koni inserts adjustable for rebound separately? Is there any non-expensive solution that is?

- any other advice?

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Old 01-30-2004, 04:21 PM   #59
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Still not too many strut options out there for the WRX.

IMHO - Koni Sport inserts are still the best option out there for a reasonable cost. If you don't want to mess with cutting apart your stock struts to install them, there are a few vendors offering pre-converted struts. Boxer4racing.com has turnkey Koni's for $799 (versus $559 for AGX's).

The Koni's are only single adjustable, unless you spend big $ for custom dual-adjustable units.

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Old 01-31-2004, 10:06 AM   #60
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I've used 225's for almost a year and no rubbing although I've lowered the car heavily in the front and not the rear. You could barely stick two fingers in front and the rear
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Old 02-02-2004, 01:58 AM   #61
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I have H&R springs on my 2002 Wagon, still with the stock struts.
I have noticed that it is underdamped with the stock shocks.
I'm thinking of getting either Koni inserts, or new struts.

- What would be a good strut to go with the slightly stiff H&R springs? I'm just looking to get the struts back in balance with the springs.

- Are the Koni inserts adjustable for rebound separately? Is there any non-expensive solution that is?

- any other advice?

Thank you!
Koni is most likely your best bet. Unless you are a full time racer and are looking for that extra 1/100th of a second per lap, you do not need dual adjustability, it will only make things unnecessarily complicated. Most people have the single adustibles and are happy with them.
The sport inserts have compression damping that is good for up to 400# spring and with rebound adjustment you can make them ride very soft when you cruise or really hold you tight on the track. Please note that even on the soft setting they are way better then stock struts.

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Old 02-02-2004, 02:20 AM   #62
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adjustable rear "camber links" (Like these )
Theres at least one person on the board who had issues with the hotchkis adjustable links on a WRX wagon. The Whiteline wagon specific ones might be a better choice.

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IMHO - Koni Sport inserts are still the best option out there for a reasonable cost. If you don't want to mess with cutting apart your stock struts to install them, there are a few vendors offering pre-converted struts. Boxer4racing.com has turnkey Koni's for $799 (versus $559 for AGX's).
Boxer4racing also charges a $200 core fee until you return your stock struts. And you can pick up the AGXs for $389, but you'll have camber issues on a wagon.

My current setup is v7 takeoffs with noltec caster/camber plates and a 20mm rear swaybar.
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Old 02-02-2004, 06:04 PM   #63
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Boxer4racing also charges a $200 core fee until you return your stock struts. And you can pick up the AGXs for $389, but you'll have camber issues on a wagon.
Supposedly the AGXs are for the sedan only, but is there a way to install AGXs on a wagon, but correct back to stock camber settings? Will camber bolt acheive this?

I want to lower and stiffen my wagon with springs and struts, without having to resort to coil overs. However, once the springs and struts are on, I want the car to be at stock alignment settings so I have a baseline from which to tweak the alignment values to my driving style.

Can I use camber plates or camber bolts or are AGXs absolutely out of the question for a wagon? I would also rather not go the Koni insert route...

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Old 02-02-2004, 07:40 PM   #64
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You can surely use AGX on a wagon. I did for a year or so. How are the roads in your area? You may want to reconsider Konis if the roads are bad. Especilally if you can turn a wrench. Now you can either go with camber bolts or camber plates on the AGX's, they will both work or you can do like I did and elongate the bottom bolt hole on the strut and make it adustible like on the domestics.

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Old 02-03-2004, 12:25 PM   #65
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You can surely use AGX on a wagon. I did for a year or so. How are the roads in your area? You may want to reconsider Konis if the roads are bad. Especilally if you can turn a wrench. Now you can either go with camber bolts or camber plates on the AGX's, they will both work or you can do like I did and elongate the bottom bolt hole on the strut and make it adustible like on the domestics.

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I live in Chicagoland...so the roads are so-so. I can definately turn a wrench, but any mods I do are usually time prohibitive, as opposed to skill or cost prohibitive.

You're saying that I can bolt on some AGXs with H&R springs, and some camber plates or bolts front and rear, I should be able to take it to a suspension shop for a professional alignment, and have them dial in the stock values?

If this is the case, then my next question is, what *is* the difference between the stock wagon and stock sedan struts? I keep reading references to differences, but no one has ever explicitly described them. I suppose I could go look it up in the maintaince manual, but if someone knows the differences off the top of their head that would be great.

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Old 02-03-2004, 12:42 PM   #66
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It took me one afternoon to do the koni install and that included taking a lunch brake, washing the dirt off the struts and letting them dry. The whole thing should be a couple of hours if done in a hurry.
The difference between sedan and wagon is that due to wider track on the sedan, the positioning of the holes on the bottom of the strut is different to take the angle into account.

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Old 02-03-2004, 01:42 PM   #67
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It took me one afternoon to do the koni install and that included taking a lunch brake, washing the dirt off the struts and letting them dry. The whole thing should be a couple of hours if done in a hurry.
The difference between sedan and wagon is that due to wider track on the sedan, the positioning of the holes on the bottom of the strut is different to take the angle into account.
I see, so if I dremel out the holes on the AGXs, with everything else stock, I should be able to dial my stock settings back in. Cool.

Now...why do you recommend the Koni's over the KYB's? I drive spiritedly on the expressways, and anticipate an occasional auto-x or track day, but I don't plan on doing any real racing right now.
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Old 02-03-2004, 06:43 PM   #68
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Has anyone tried to put a 2004 STI 20mm rear sway on to a 2004 WRX Wagon? Do they fit? I just saw them in allsubaru.com
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Theres at least one person on the board who had issues with the hotchkis adjustable links on a WRX wagon. The Whiteline wagon specific ones might be a better choice.

I have these on my wagon and have no problem at all. What problems are people seeing?

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Prodrive springs
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Old 02-03-2004, 08:04 PM   #70
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My '04 Wagon

Stock struts/springs
Whiteline Front strut tower brace
Whiteline Rear strut tower brace
Whiteline 20-24 rear swaybar set at 22mm
Whiteline new-style rear alloy endlinks
Prodrive P1 17X7 wheels in anthracite
Yokohama ES-100 225-45-17

I'm happy with the setup... will probably upgrade struts and springs in the future.


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Old 02-03-2004, 08:12 PM   #71
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wagon joe, thats a nice lookin 04!!! and with a cobbII. i havent seen many welldone 04 wagons yet, except you Gunner, nice wheels

joe, is that a headlight mod?
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Old 02-03-2004, 08:19 PM   #72
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I have these on my wagon and have no problem at all. What problems are people seeing?
"Egan" on here reported problems with them because of their length. I guess even though they are adjustable in length they weren't working correctly. Interesting to hear that you aren't having any issues
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I just got the SPT wagon kit, except that the rear metal bushings were not put in, and the rear lateral links are the 4-piece STi pink setup (6 pillow ball/2 Grp N). I also added the Grp N tophats and a Whiteline steering rack bushing set.
Handling is vastly improved.

I haven't taken it to get the alignment done yet. I might set/leave it to the stock specs rather than -1/-1 or one of the other recommendations -- I think there's enough increased rotation here already.

I do have a nasty bump/clank noise coming from the front right when the corner unloads at slow speeds (1st gear mellow parking-lot driving). However, this was there before I did the suspension change. The mechanic was mystified -- we were sure the swap would take the noise with it. Could it be the ball-joint? The front (stock) swaybar seems secure enough (maybe too tight?). Maybe I ought to get a brand new set of stock front links to see if one is just blown out?

Thanks for any light you wagon folks can shed on my mystery.
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I see, so if I dremel out the holes on the AGXs, with everything else stock, I should be able to dial my stock settings back in. Cool.

Now...why do you recommend the Koni's over the KYB's? I drive spiritedly on the expressways, and anticipate an occasional auto-x or track day, but I don't plan on doing any real racing right now.
Yes. And the reason I recommend Koni's is they are IMHO are superior based on my experience with both and far more comfortable on rough roads and handle higher rate springs better. And the price difference is small compared to AGX's.

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Yes. And the reason I recommend Koni's is they are IMHO are superior based on my experience with both and far more comfortable on rough roads and handle higher rate springs better. And the price difference is small compared to AGX's.
So how do you install the Koni's? Can the stock struts be dismantled, or are they 'sealed'?

Feel free to point me to a URL or another thread instead of posting instructions for installing Koni inserts in stock '03 wagon struts. I did a couple of searches and didn't come up with much.
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