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Old 12-31-2008, 11:02 AM   #2726
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Right no for suspension I have front and rer spway bars and end links that is it. Hocktis bars front and rear. It time for new struts or nearly time so I figure I'll start collecting parts for spring when its warmer out to do the work.
Im going to do steering rack bushing soon next on my list.

My plan is Tokico D spec's (One can only dream of Ohins) Group N top hats, and an extra set of camber bolts up front to deal with the loss of negative camber. I have not decided on the springs.

Then its Group N time Bushing bushings Bushings get rid of my rear taco link.
then caster more caster.

you will notice I have left ALK off my list. I am considering trying Auto cross just to get seat time and learn my car so I have left them off for class reasons, that being said I might try Whiteline Offset Caster Bushings, I know this is not the same as an ALK but it legal.

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Old 12-31-2008, 11:07 AM   #2727
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I just realized I didn't answer your question. Look I want to lower the front but not to much the suspensions must still work. and the lower the rear a little. I do defiantly want a stiffer spring, for a firmer ride and to reused body roll. Honestly Im cheep I have been looking at used parts so I figured I have the winter to find good deals.

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Old 12-31-2008, 11:41 AM   #2728
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I have RCE wagon springs and Koni inserts on my '02 wagon. I'm 49 and they are stiff, but livable on a daily driver. Yeah, you have to be a bit careful on roads you don't know, but you should be anyway. They don't lower it enough to hit the concrete parking curbs, though, so that's good.

I went that route because my stock struts were shot, and "while i had everything apart I might as well do springs." I do about 3 HPDEs a year.


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I have been considering RCE wagon springs and well I'm an old fart at 32 do you think they are too stiff for a Daily driven car. I haven't pulled the trigger on the RCE springs as the spring rates are pretty high. I have considered STI take offs or wagon pinks but nether would give me the drop Im after, I have to admit part of me does car how the car looks.

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Old 12-31-2008, 11:58 AM   #2729
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Thanks for your input

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Old 12-31-2008, 12:23 PM   #2730
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I have been considering RCE wagon springs and well I'm an old fart at 32 do you think they are too stiff for a Daily driven car. I haven't pulled the trigger on the RCE springs as the spring rates are pretty high. I have considered STI take offs or wagon pinks but nether would give me the drop Im after, I have to admit part of me does car how the car looks.

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I had the RCE wagon springs on for a while. I didn't feel they were too stiff. Stiff yes but perfectly fine for daily driving. There are some pretty nasty bumps on my way to work.

I pulled them off since I was returning the car back to stock.

32!! Man, I wish I was only 32 years old.
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Old 12-31-2008, 02:16 PM   #2731
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I just realized I didn't answer your question. Look I want to lower the front but not to much the suspensions must still work. and the lower the rear a little. I do defiantly want a stiffer spring, for a firmer ride and to reused body roll. Honestly Im cheep I have been looking at used parts so I figured I have the winter to find good deals.

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Have you thought about the Mach V Springs? Rates are stiffer than stock (I think 175F/something a little less R) and 1" lowering in front, 3/4" lower in rear). And for the ultimate in cheap performance, STi takeoffs? You could probably increase the damping to stiffen up the ride somewhat.

Come out to a NOVA meet sometime and you can see several different setups. I can give you a ride if you want.
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Old 01-01-2009, 09:33 AM   #2732
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Yea I have thought about the Mach V springs and even traded e-mails about them with Dan. I really like the look of the Mach V springs and the Swift wagon springs, However; I wanted something with a rate closer to the wagon pinks that give a different look

Subaru------WRX wagon 5MT stock------------163-----132
Swift--------WRX WAGON-----------------------185-----162
Subaru------STi "pink" WRX wagon -------------223 -----192
RCE----------Wagon springs --------------------278-----259

Yea I have been meaning to come out to a meet guess I have a good reason now.
I guess the reason I was attracted to the RCE springs was there drop profile and there reputation of getting the spring design right, but those numbers scared me off a little having some peoples optinion on the ride is reasuring.

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Old 01-02-2009, 03:16 AM   #2733
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I'm tired of skinny aftermarket camber bolts, can I run OEM bolts in either hole?
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Old 01-02-2009, 03:19 AM   #2734
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You're joking, right?
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Old 01-02-2009, 03:32 AM   #2735
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Old 01-02-2009, 04:46 AM   #2736
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You're joking, right?
So I can't buy another set of OEM adjusters and run them in the bottom?

My point is illustrated in the pic above, thanks makofoto. The OEM bolt, by all means, should be stronger.
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Old 01-02-2009, 05:02 AM   #2737
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How are you planning on fitting the 17mm OEM camber bolt into the 14mm lower clevis hole?




It's been done, but you have to bore out the lower clevis hole in the strut and the knuckle. To avoid weakening the knuckle via irregularities, this is NOT something you do with a handheld drill.
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Old 01-02-2009, 05:09 AM   #2738
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Oh, I didn't realize that it was smaller, my bad.
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Old 01-02-2009, 05:13 AM   #2739
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Yeah, that's what Makofoto was trying to tell you with that picture.
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Old 01-02-2009, 10:15 AM   #2740
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it's been done, but as williaty pointed out- not an easy task. The strut itself as well as the knuckle needs modified. also if IIRC they guy didn't get as much camber gain as he thought he would, granted it would be a pretty bulletproof setup when done
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Old 01-02-2009, 11:59 AM   #2741
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I'm tired of skinny aftermarket camber bolts, can I run OEM bolts in either hole?
Not really. But, you could always get camber plates. I have had a nightmare of a time with those aftermarket camber bolts, so when it's in the budget I'll be getting some RCE lowering plates.
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Old 01-02-2009, 02:53 PM   #2742
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Another option that has been discussed here is slotting the lower holes of the struts only:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=970980
(I've never attempted this, but thought it was an interesting discussion and worthy of a reference.) This would give you some additional negative camber adjustment, but also allows you to still use the OE lower bolt (non-eccentric) and higher torque for less chance of slippage.
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Old 01-02-2009, 10:22 PM   #2743
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eibach sport springs
summer- 17x7.5 rota tarmac II with toyo proxes 4s
winter- 16x7 steelies with studded snow tires

waiting to install cobb sway bars (f&r) on sunday
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Old 01-02-2009, 10:45 PM   #2744
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so i am replacing my trailing arms and bushings and getting a new set of struts. I am not sure what to get though. I will be staying with stock springs, so i am thinking the gr-2's would be fine but then i found the tokico d-spec over at turn in concpets. Any one run these?

I would like to be able to stiffen it for auto-x. i already have:

Carbing front subframe
Front strut bar
Rear strut bar
04+ wrx sway bar mounts
Whiteline 22mm adj. rear bar
Kartboy endlink all around

I was also looking at the AGX's. I know i can run the sedan ones but only get -.8 degres of camber up front which doesn't bother me. Was curious as to what you guys thought.
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Old 01-02-2009, 11:02 PM   #2745
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if your autoxing you really need firmer springs- no way around it- the WRX is VERY softly sprung. you can pick up used oe STi spring for ~ $75, it will be the best $75 you'll ever spend on suspension

I think most prefer the d-specs over the AGX's- either will handle the STi springs
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Old 01-02-2009, 11:15 PM   #2746
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^^ OEM STi struts work nicely when paired with STi springs as well The D-Specs will be nicer of course, but on a budget you cannot beat STi springs/struts. Keep in mind that only the 04 STi front struts will fit a WRX. The 04-07 rear struts will fit any 02-07 WRX rear though. You'll also need 04+ rear tophats if you go with STi struts/springs.

But as Bigsky said, you really need some stiffer springs. Stock WRX's are VERY soft.
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Old 01-03-2009, 08:57 AM   #2747
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What class will you auto X in is this your DD?

Your list should IMHO

Fender Cowl Braces
camber bolts (for your front to gain more negative camber)
Rear strut bar
sway bar mounts
Whiteline 22mm adj. rear bar
Kartboy endlink all around
Group N bushings as much as you can afford
Kartboy sub frame lock down bolts and bushings
Kartboy rear diff bushings
Tokico D-spec
Group N tops
STi springs and saggy but shims or STi wagon pink springs

As for the front sub frame depending on what class it might be not legal.

in no order.
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Old 01-03-2009, 09:38 AM   #2748
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yeah the car is my daily driver and has about 110K miles now. I only auto cross 6-10 times a year tops. Fender braces are on my list, but i hit a curb on ice and now doing this so my order got messed up. I was thinking about d-stock, but i have an UP and TBE waiting to go in so might be back in STX.

But i think i decided on the D-Spec struts. But just to clarify for my own stupidity, i can use 04 STI springs and tophats and they'll bolt right up? The saggy butt shim will be put in aswell. I just dont want to loose to much ground clearance right now. Or do i have to use STI struts with the springs? I am finding that the wagon has alot of little differences campered to the sedan.
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Old 01-03-2009, 10:48 AM   #2749
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^ the STi springs (from 04-07) will fit w/ the D specs and should be a nice match up damping wise.

You'll only drop ~ 10mm, not much of a drop, but will gain increased spring rate.

To make them work w/ the D specs (or any 02/03 strut) you'll need 04+ style rear tops- fronts remain the same. You'll also need the TIC spacers- this allows the 04+ rear top to properly seat (w/o them there is a slight gap and it will clunk). In addition, a thin shim that sits a top the rear top insures no "saggy butt". Some guys report little to no sag w/ the oe STi springs and don't run the shims, others see a slight sag and run the shim to fix it.
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Old 01-03-2009, 11:34 AM   #2750
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Thanks so much BIGS. You are the king.
So this is my new list of parts to get my wagon back on the road:

Vendor Part
Turn In Concepts: Scooby 921 Strut Spacer
Tokico D-SPec Struts
Trailing Arm Bushings

Ebay: OBX Trailing Arms(temporary fix)

Nasioc: 04 STI Springs
04 STI Rear Top Hats

I am gonna reuse the stock front tophats and where can i get the saggy but shims? I sent an email into subarugenuineparts.com to get all new hardware for the struts, trailing arms, and lateral links. Hopefully i can get it all fixed next weekend.

Thanks everyone for your help, i wasn't so sure what to do last night, and now i know what i am ordering so i can drive again.
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