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Old 04-21-2010, 12:54 PM   #3726
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I concur on the wagon specific struts. I just installed GR2s along with Swift springs. Rides nice and sits nice.

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P.S. - If you get the swifts (or any other lowering spring of >1" drop), make sure to cut the first nub of the front bump stops.
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Old 04-21-2010, 01:12 PM   #3727
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i have sti oem struts in mine.. i put eibach camber bolts in the front, i'll let you know what i can pull when i take it in for an allignment..
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Old 04-22-2010, 05:23 PM   #3728
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I've heard elsewhere that camber bolts are not the way to go, and that I should just use sedan lower control arms instead. I've used camber bolts in the past and hated them; they'd get stuck and wouldn't come out of the knuckle. What say you?
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Old 04-22-2010, 05:27 PM   #3729
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I've heard elsewhere that camber bolts are not the way to go, and that I should just use sedan lower control arms instead. I've used camber bolts in the past and hated them; they'd get stuck and wouldn't come out of the knuckle. What say you?
i love my set.
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Old 04-22-2010, 06:51 PM   #3730
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I've heard elsewhere that camber bolts are not the way to go, and that I should just use sedan lower control arms instead. I've used camber bolts in the past and hated them; they'd get stuck and wouldn't come out of the knuckle. What say you?
There's no debate that sedan arms are "better" than using camber bolts to fix "sedan strut on wagon camber loss" problem.

The question is, "are camber bolts good enough for what you need them for?"

Here's my 1 data point from my experience: SPC camber bolts in the lower hole have held up with no slippage in track days (running 225 summer tires) and stock WRX power and rallyx. Key idea: install them correctly and they work better. The 2nd set of camber bolts got me back to -1.0 but that's as far as it goes. Yes I eventually want sedan arms (more wider track, more camber).
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Old 04-22-2010, 07:24 PM   #3731
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one "trick" I've heard w/ camber bolts (to prevent slipping) is once they are adjusted- to use a little paint around the head of the bolt (paint dries and helps the bolt from slipping)- properly installed goes a long way too

the other option, short of arms, is camber plates- some advantages w/ their use
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Old 04-22-2010, 09:38 PM   #3732
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Ok, well what are the cons of swapping to sedan lower x-arms? And the only thing that's required is sedan arms? Would I need a different sway bar with the wider track?
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Old 04-22-2010, 11:40 PM   #3733
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you need a new sway bar (sedan style) and sedan style sway links

the cons can be cost, the other possible con is the axles are slighter shorter on the wagon- thus far there doesn't appear to be a problem- some guys have swapped in sedan axles to play it safe though
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Old 04-23-2010, 07:28 AM   #3734
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I've heard elsewhere that camber bolts are not the way to go, and that I should just use sedan lower control arms instead. I've used camber bolts in the past and hated them; they'd get stuck and wouldn't come out of the knuckle. What say you?
I ran a set of Ingalls camber bolts in my lower front strut holes for just over two years and I had no problems, even on the numerous severely pot-holed and jointed roads in and around Cleveland. Coupled with a proper performance alignment, a second set of camber bolts is a far more cost cost-effective solution to increasing negative camber than sedan control arms and/or camber plates.
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Old 04-23-2010, 09:28 AM   #3735
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Is there any problem with wider wheels/tires when using sedan x-arms?
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Old 04-23-2010, 10:01 AM   #3736
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You need to have higher offsets unless you use sedan fenders. You gain about 10-15 of track depending on the alignment.

My new suspension finally came and am prepping it for install.
Old jic flt-a2, great for performance, not as nice for dd.

new kw v3 STi application, installing camber plates and linear rears
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Old 04-23-2010, 10:01 AM   #3737
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There's no debate that sedan arms are "better" than using camber bolts to fix "sedan strut on wagon camber loss" problem.

The question is, "are camber bolts good enough for what you need them for?"

Here's my 1 data point from my experience: SPC camber bolts in the lower hole have held up with no slippage in track days (running 225 summer tires) and stock WRX power and rallyx. Key idea: install them correctly and they work better. The 2nd set of camber bolts got me back to -1.0 but that's as far as it goes. Yes I eventually want sedan arms (more wider track, more camber).
so with my sti struts and eibach camber bolts ill probably only be able to pull -1.0? what would "ideal" front camber be for a DD, lots of highway, and rarely tracked? i was thinking i would need more than -1.0
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Old 04-23-2010, 12:08 PM   #3738
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so with my sti struts and eibach camber bolts ill probably only be able to pull -1.0? what would "ideal" front camber be for a DD, lots of highway, and rarely tracked? i was thinking i would need more than -1.0
It depends on your tire and driving style. -1.0 is fine for the street. You will just not have as crisp of a turn in and front grip when you are doing off ramps and things like that. Personally, on the street, I use at least -1.5 and on the track, between -2.5 to -3.2
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Old 05-01-2010, 11:13 PM   #3739
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I had an interesting finding this weekend when installing / removing some components. I don't want to double post so read about it here: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1981351 Just thought some guys might want to try this if you are getting annoyed with harshness of heavy sway bars.

Current setup:

KYB GR2
STi Pink Wagon Springs
STi Group N tophats
Whitline solid endlinks
F/R Strut tower bars

What I took off from the car, not sure if they'll be going back on at this point:

F/R Whiteline sway bars
Cusco V2 lower arm brace

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After:
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Old 05-07-2010, 05:32 PM   #3740
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scoobydrew06: are those the SPT pink springs sold at dealerships?

I wonder how SPT pink/GR-2 compares to SPT pink/D-spec.
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Old 05-07-2010, 11:15 PM   #3741
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They are. USDM STi Pinks. I think I got them from subarugenuineparts.com. I can't compare them since I never felt the D-specs. But I have been on the stock setup. Tein Type H or HA (can't remember) coilovers. Prodrive wagon springs on stock struts, STi Pink Wagon springs on stock strtus, and now this. This feels the most balanced out of all of them. Wish I installed these and removed my sway bars years ago.
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Old 05-11-2010, 11:47 AM   #3742
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Hello, Wagon-riders! I need your advice. I'm running on 2001 JDM STi wagon (GGB)
Today setup is:
KYB AGX front struts
KYB NewSR rear struts
Stock JDM STi Wagon springs
swaybars, top hats, endlinks, ect. - stock

I wanna do suspension stiffer and lower, but not too much, because I drive it every day on russian terrible streets.

I'm gonna switch it to v7 STi sedan struts, and there are 2 variants on springs^
1. Tein S-tech wagon springs and
2. v7 STi Spec-C springs.

What do U think about those kits?
PS. Sorry for my English..
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Old 05-11-2010, 01:45 PM   #3743
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Hello, Wagon-riders! I need your advice. I'm running on 2001 JDM STi wagon (GGB)
Today setup is:
KYB AGX front struts
KYB NewSR rear struts
Stock JDM STi Wagon springs
swaybars, top hats, endlinks, ect. - stock

I wanna do suspension stiffer and lower, but not too much, because I drive it every day on russian terrible streets.

I'm gonna switch it to v7 STi sedan struts, and there are 2 variants on springs^
1. Tein S-tech wagon springs and
2. v7 STi Spec-C springs.

What do U think about those kits?
PS. Sorry for my English..
Keep in mind when switching from wagon to sedan struts, you will lose about 1 degree of negative camber up front.
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Old 05-11-2010, 07:31 PM   #3744
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S-Techs have a terrible reputation- I'd pass on those
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Old 05-12-2010, 06:52 AM   #3745
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Hello, Wagon-riders! I need your advice. I'm running on 2001 JDM STi wagon (GGB)

I'm gonna switch it to v7 STi sedan struts, on v7 STi Spec-C springs.

I might be stiff but if you want to go low it needs to get stiffer. Get a set of camber bolts for up front and you will likely be happy.

Ry-
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Old 05-12-2010, 08:34 AM   #3746
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Keep in mind when switching from wagon to sedan struts, you will lose about 1 degree of negative camber up front.
thanks, I read about it. And what about rear camber? Will it change?
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Old 05-15-2010, 11:26 PM   #3747
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I thought I would post this here rather than starting a new thread since my question is only relevant to wagon owners.

My car is a DD, no AutoX or Track days for me.
Stg 2 power stuff, better stoping goodies as well.
I have a set of BBS RK's powder coated and awaiting new tires, workin on this and more than likley will run some potenza re760 sports.

My goal is to lower the car a little and improve the aestetics and increase suspension repsonse. I have F & R strut bars, WL 22 rsb, H-brace, tic bushings all over the place, with F&R End links

I was thinking STi Wagon Pink (https://www.subarugenuineparts.com/p...roducts_id=627) but they are for 04+ or maybe STi take offs ((have access to a local 07 part out) both provide the small drop I am looking for. Possible Swift springs wagon springs as well.
Will using sti take offs still leave my car with the rear rake that the current OEM has and makes it like crap? (paranoid fab washer to fix this?)
Why can't I use 04+ struts with the 04+ springs on my 02, or is the scooby921 spacer required no matter what year strut? Is this due to the strut design not being able to bolt up to the 02's??
I see alot of setups with 04+ springs but I have not seen any in direct reference to what year struts they are running.
Maybe D-specs but I do not really need adjustment and care to deal with all the camber issue, so I was looking at the GR-2's
Thanks for all the help.

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Old 05-16-2010, 12:07 AM   #3748
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you can use 04+ struts on your car (w/ 04+ springs)- you need 04+ rear tops as well- which are a better design anyways

the only problem there are no 04+ struts except oe ones- you can still find lower mile ones, the exception being 04+ Koni inserts which can be used in either 02/03 or 04+ bodies- doesn't matter, but does allow the use of 04+ springs (w/ the correct rear tops

04+ Koni's (in housings of your choice) + STi wagon pinks = a great daily driving combo- firmer rates (but not overly firm), very good damping (adj to boot) and a little lower stance
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you can use 04+ struts on your car (w/ 04+ springs)- you need 04+ rear tops as well- which are a better design anyways

the only problem there are no 04+ struts except oe ones- you can still find lower mile ones, the exception being 04+ Koni inserts which can be used in either 02/03 or 04+ bodies- doesn't matter, but does allow the use of 04+ springs (w/ the correct rear tops

04+ Koni's (in housings of your choice) + STi wagon pinks = a great daily driving combo- firmer rates (but not overly firm), very good damping (adj to boot) and a little lower stance

I forgot about the Koni route, I read the sticky on how to do it. Seems rather simple as long as you take a little time on it but I don't think the cost will be practical for me at this time. Thanks for the info!
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Old 05-16-2010, 10:02 AM   #3750
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I forgot about the Koni route, I read the sticky on how to do it. Seems rather simple as long as you take a little time on it but I don't think the cost will be practical for me at this time. Thanks for the info!
There's always D-specs which are slightly cheaper, you don't need to hack up struts to use as donors. But, you'll need the spacer in the rear and you'll lose camber just like with STi struts.
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