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Old 02-03-2012, 07:18 PM   #4651
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what's your alignment numbers? spring rates on the H&R's? tires & rims?
Alignment numbers, I don't know

The website i found the rss+ coils on don't have a spring rate listed. Here's a link http://www.andysautosport.com/subaru...r00912840.html

Rims are the gold bbs sti wheels and tires are undecided.

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Old 02-03-2012, 08:11 PM   #4652
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are these parts you have on currently or what your thinking about getting?
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Old 02-03-2012, 11:08 PM   #4653
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are these parts you have on currently or what your thinking about getting?
The car is completely stock right now, that is a parts list I put together for the upgrades I am looking to do.
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Old 02-04-2012, 10:57 AM   #4654
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ahhhh if that's the case, I'd re-consider going the coilover route- they tend to be futzy, and unless you need extremely high spring rates (ie national competitive autox'r or track day *hore) then a more modest spring/quality damper is probably a better option imo, add to that front camber plates or WL Com C's and Grp N rear tops and you have something that is suitable for daily driving and still sporty enough for a track day/autox/canyon carving
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Old 02-04-2012, 08:20 PM   #4655
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Set up for fun, canyon runs and the very occational auto-x.
KYB AGX struts- bottom holes slotted
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Whiteline com-c tops
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Hotchkis sway bars
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RS 6 spokes (16x7)
Continental DW 225x16-50(a tad to big for the wheel, 215x16 would be better)
Front: camber -2 with 0 cross camber. Toe 0.00
Rear: camber -1.5 with 0 cross camber. Toe 0.00

Overall very fun to drive. The struts don't offer to much flexibility but they work well enough and are built well. At first I thought the springs were a bit to low, but I have grown to like where they have settled. They do work well with the struts. Com-c set at max neg camber max caster. The Eibach lateral links are not bad(China made by SPC). I was expecting worse and I would say they are better quality than stock. They have rubber bushings that seem to be of a harder compound than stock. Very good adjustability too. Again nothing fancy, but fun to drive.

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Old 02-08-2012, 07:51 PM   #4656
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Guys! Long time follower, but I need your help now. Girlfriend cant stand my coilovers, I need a new setup and would like your recommendations. The Wagon is my DD but I also want a setup that I can have some dirt/gravel fun with. I had looked into lifting it w/ Forester Struts and JDM pink springs but was told its not necessary. Im now looking into the sti struts with stock springs, but im not sure about the camber issues. Please any recommendations are welcome.
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Old 02-08-2012, 08:33 PM   #4657
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STI tack offs with Group N's in the rear and Com'cs up front if you want some more height you can get saggy butt spacer front and rear.

If you want more there is a bolt on spacer (IIRC Jackson racing) check dirty impreza they no allot about getting up.

hope this is helpful.

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Guys! Long time follower, but I need your help now. Girlfriend cant stand my coilovers, I need a new setup and would like your recommendations. The Wagon is my DD but I also want a setup that I can have some dirt/gravel fun with. I had looked into lifting it w/ Forester Struts and JDM pink springs but was told its not necessary. Im now looking into the sti struts with stock springs, but im not sure about the camber issues. Please any recommendations are welcome.
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Old 02-08-2012, 09:17 PM   #4658
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Guys! Long time follower, but I need your help now. Girlfriend cant stand my coilovers, I need a new setup and would like your recommendations. The Wagon is my DD but I also want a setup that I can have some dirt/gravel fun with. I had looked into lifting it w/ Forester Struts and JDM pink springs but was told its not necessary. Im now looking into the sti struts with stock springs, but im not sure about the camber issues. Please any recommendations are welcome.
read more through this forum, search is your friend.

I went through looking for a similar set up on pg. 175:

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It seems that for a jack of trades most people are saying koni yellow and springs + camber plates. I would have thought the adjustability of coil overs would be better, which is where I get confused.
What are some suggestions?
Thanks for the help as i feel a bit overwhelmed with the vast amount of information around.

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"coilovers are great if you need them ie road racing, competitive autox, rally, etc- for a daily driver probably not the best bet

if you buy cheap ones they are close to useless, if you buy expensive ones they are more likely built very purpose specific

a quality damper and decent springs makes a lot more sense for a daily driver

I can't speak to the gravel worthiness (or unworthiness) of the Koni's, but can say for daily driving, spirited driving, autox and track days- they are a VERY good damper

for a daily driver STi springs are a good compromise on spring rates and can be had for a very good price

add in something along the lines of the Com C stru mounts up front and Grp N rears and get a good alignment and you should be in pretty good shape"




there is a ton of info around on exactly what you are looking for. Get a few more specifics like how much your willing to spend, how much work involved you want, etc.

Like was previously posted STI Take-off's are a cheap and easy way to go, just make sure you get the applicable year model and struts that aren't blown. Also you will for sure need Top Hats to correct for some of the camber issue, LCAs help even more.
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Old 02-09-2012, 06:40 PM   #4659
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Ok. Just got an 06 WRX wagon about a month ago and I'm looking into some set-ups for a DD that will see some auto-x use. I've read a ton of stuff on the suspension super sticky and my head is swimming with info.

The goal- I want about a 2-3 inch drop because I'm kind of a form>function type of guy, but since this will be a DD and see some racing use, I don't want to be riding the bump stops and plan on adding the Whiteline roll center kit to keep the camber curve more or less in line at the lowered height. I know there aren't any springs that will drop it like I want without riding like crap on stock struts (s-techs), so I'm looking for a good spring/strut combo that offers a 2-3" drop and proper damping with a relatively stiff spring rate. And what other things (top hats, camber plates, spacers, etc) would be needed with different spring/strut combos? Otherwise I'm probably going to be going the dreaded cheap coilover route with some BC BR's.

On a side note, would a sedan front sway and endlinks work without switching the LCA if I went to coilovers (which will probably have "sedan fitment")?

Sway bars will probably be 27mm front and 24mm rear. I have this feeling that the 27 would be a little too stiff out front with a stiffer spring rate, so I'm thinking a 24mm would be more appropriate, but would be more prone to oversteer with the 24mm rear too.
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Old 02-09-2012, 08:29 PM   #4660
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I travel on a lot of dirt roads where I live. What would be a good affordable suspension for my 02 wagon?

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Old 02-09-2012, 11:47 PM   #4661
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Ok. Just got an 06 WRX wagon about a month ago and I'm looking into some set-ups for a DD that will see some auto-x use. I've read a ton of stuff on the suspension super sticky and my head is swimming with info.

The goal- I want about a 2-3 inch drop because I'm kind of a form>function type of guy, but since this will be a DD and see some racing use, I don't want to be riding the bump stops and plan on adding the Whiteline roll center kit to keep the camber curve more or less in line at the lowered height. I know there aren't any springs that will drop it like I want without riding like crap on stock struts (s-techs), so I'm looking for a good spring/strut combo that offers a 2-3" drop and proper damping with a relatively stiff spring rate. And what other things (top hats, camber plates, spacers, etc) would be needed with different spring/strut combos? Otherwise I'm probably going to be going the dreaded cheap coilover route with some BC BR's.

On a side note, would a sedan front sway and endlinks work without switching the LCA if I went to coilovers (which will probably have "sedan fitment")?

Sway bars will probably be 27mm front and 24mm rear. I have this feeling that the 27 would be a little too stiff out front with a stiffer spring rate, so I'm thinking a 24mm would be more appropriate, but would be more prone to oversteer with the 24mm rear too.
2-3" drop pretty much takes all the spring possibilities out. You can get some S-Techs which you don't want or some DF210s. Neither are stiff enough for that much drop.
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Old 02-10-2012, 01:38 AM   #4662
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I travel on a lot of dirt roads where I live. What would be a good affordable suspension for my 02 wagon?

Jake
Do you need the ground clearance? If so keep stock springs and get KYB struts, gr2 is nice and AGX gives you some additional settings. I had an 96 legacy outback and all I did was gr2 struts and it handled beautifully on trails.
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Old 02-10-2012, 09:40 AM   #4663
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2-3" drop pretty much takes all the spring possibilities out. You can get some S-Techs which you don't want or some DF210s. Neither are stiff enough for that much drop.
That's pretty much what I figured. I tried my best to research set ups that offer that drop with a good spring and damping rate, but had no luck. Thanks for the help though. I'll post the final set up I choose after I get everything ordered and installed so I can post any fender work that I may have to do.
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Old 02-10-2012, 06:06 PM   #4664
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I travel on a lot of dirt roads where I live. What would be a good affordable suspension for my 02 wagon?

Jake
STi springs/struts. They're great on dirt/gravel since they're inverted struts. I used to tear down dirt/gravel roads in my wagon all the time on that setup. Only lowers 20mm or so.
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Old 02-10-2012, 07:59 PM   #4665
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^ that would be my recommendation as well, slight increase in spring rates, moderate lowering and tougher than nails dampers

you're going to have a very tough time finding 04 STi struts w/ low miles now, but the internals can be swapped (from a 05-07), Feal suspension is also offering a full internal replacement and they can custom tune the damping for your particular need

the dealers can still get the v7 STi wagon setup (springs/struts/few bushings) as another option
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Old 02-11-2012, 11:48 PM   #4666
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Can't believe I missed this thread. I went through a HELL of a time getting my coils to work on my wagon.

So, first things first. I'm running AST 4100s with F/R Vorshalg camber plates (high caster front version). It's on a 95 Legacy, but the BK Legacies have the exact same issues with rear wagon geometry as a GD-chassis wagon, as I discovered.

I ordered my shocks and at the time I was #2 in the country running unmodified ASTs on a wagon. Turns out that wagon rear geometry is different enough to cause side loading, and so I spent the next few months working with AST to figure out what the problem was and to fix it.

The problem is that the side loading was enough to cause the shock to bind internally-- the original design was made for autocrossers and designed to take loadings from a 285 A6 Hoosier...which my car will never see. The loading path in a wagon is different enough to where the secondary support piston was dragging. AST worked with me to get this fixed (my tire was the 'damper' in my suspension for a little while, that was fun). This same issue had been seen by AST-UK but -USA had not heard of it....but now they know the problem and have a fix that works wonderfully.

I believe that my BK, which is a hybrid of GC front and GD rear components, had a worse issue than most GD (GM? i dunno) wagons, but if you have ASTs and they don't ride like they are supposed to, call AST and ask about the wagon rear shock fix. If you are ordering, make sure you order WITH the fix. Vorshlag is aware of the issue, I do not know about other retailers.

The setup works great now, but if anyone is looking at buying ASTs for their wagon (there's an amazing sale going on btw), make absolutely sure you mention it is for a wagon.

Hopefully this helps someone down the road.

BTW, I love the coils. Best upgrade for the car I've done besides the HID retrofit, and allows the car to boogie like no ancient wagon should be able to. Fun times.
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Old 02-12-2012, 09:34 AM   #4667
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e31bimmerman thanks for sharing your experience, but could you fill out your profile, so am I to understand that you have a Leggy wagon? what year. Also jealous I have always wanted a Leggy wagon.

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Old 02-13-2012, 06:16 PM   #4668
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This week-end, I'm picking up a 2006 wrx wagon and I want to put some epic engineering springs.
What's the most commun wheels set up, for a wagon without rubbing?
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Old 02-14-2012, 04:42 AM   #4669
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Old 02-15-2012, 11:06 PM   #4670
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Are there D-Specs made for the wagon yet?
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Are there D-Specs made for the wagon yet?
Nope, there isn't much specifically made for the narrower wagons.
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Old 02-16-2012, 03:38 AM   #4672
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e31bimmerman thanks for sharing your experience, but could you fill out your profile, so am I to understand that you have a Leggy wagon? what year. Also jealous I have always wanted a Leggy wagon.

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Will do.

I've a 95 Legacy wagon, it's fun.
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Old 02-16-2012, 01:46 PM   #4673
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Just curious does anyone know if 2011 wrx wagon disk rotors will fit a 2011 NA wagon? And if I'm on the wrong page for a question like this where should I ask.
Thanks in advance.
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Old 02-16-2012, 11:13 PM   #4674
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Can't believe I missed this thread. I went through a HELL of a time getting my coils to work on my wagon.

So, first things first. I'm running AST 4100s with F/R Vorshalg camber plates (high caster front version). It's on a 95 Legacy, but the BK Legacies have the exact same issues with rear wagon geometry as a GD-chassis wagon, as I discovered.

I ordered my shocks and at the time I was #2 in the country running unmodified ASTs on a wagon. Turns out that wagon rear geometry is different enough to cause side loading, and so I spent the next few months working with AST to figure out what the problem was and to fix it.
nice to see some confirmation of something I've suspected for a long time. I noticed I kind of had to force the sti struts on my car into place to get them bolted to the uprights, and figured once the car was at ride height it wouldn't be so bad.

when I put in all the really stiff TIC suspension bushings I noticed that the ride got A LOT worse, likely because of this.
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Old 02-17-2012, 12:54 PM   #4675
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Can't believe I missed this thread. I went through a HELL of a time getting my coils to work on my wagon.

So, first things first. I'm running AST 4100s with F/R Vorshalg camber plates (high caster front version). It's on a 95 Legacy, but the BK Legacies have the exact same issues with rear wagon geometry as a GD-chassis wagon, as I discovered.

I ordered my shocks and at the time I was #2 in the country running unmodified ASTs on a wagon. Turns out that wagon rear geometry is different enough to cause side loading, and so I spent the next few months working with AST to figure out what the problem was and to fix it.

The problem is that the side loading was enough to cause the shock to bind internally-- the original design was made for autocrossers and designed to take loadings from a 285 A6 Hoosier...which my car will never see. The loading path in a wagon is different enough to where the secondary support piston was dragging. AST worked with me to get this fixed (my tire was the 'damper' in my suspension for a little while, that was fun). This same issue had been seen by AST-UK but -USA had not heard of it....but now they know the problem and have a fix that works wonderfully.
Awesome that you guys figured this out... what I don't understand is why other coilover/struts don't experience the same problem.

Are the cleavis "ears" on the AST longer or something?
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