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Old 05-10-2012, 06:56 PM   #4801
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Anyone know if KYB GR-2s will hold up to RCE spring rates? Originally, I was planning on pairing my RCE wagon springs with Koni yellow inserts but found a good deal on the GR-2s through work... I know they're more of an OEM replacement type of damper but I've read that they're a bit more stout than OEM. Any info here would be great.

Also, because the Konis inserts and GR-2s are specific for MY'02-'03 cars and I have an '04, I would need Scooby921 spacers in the rear correct?
The RCE springs are going to push those GR-2s pretty bad. I would stay with the Koni's. I even turn my Koni's up pretty good with my RCE wagon springs.

STi take-offs or STi wagon pinks would pair well with the GR-2s for a nice low budget DD setup.
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Old 05-10-2012, 07:08 PM   #4802
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GR-2's are a oe replacement and damped very closely to oe, so I'd say not the best match for RCE springs

Koni makes a specific 04+ rear insert- it's 8610-1440

Koni's would be a good match for the RCE springs
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Old 05-10-2012, 07:27 PM   #4803
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I'm running gr-2s with STi springs (there's a thread about this setup somewhere around here). Handles great, not bouncy in the slightest. Can't comment on how long they'll last though.
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Old 05-12-2012, 01:15 PM   #4804
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I posted a couple months back about what I was going to run, but I finally got the set-up all installed. It turns out I'm a bit of a whiteline whore.

BC BR series coilovers
Whiteline Roll Center Correction Kit
Whiteline 24mm FSB
Whiteline 24mm RSB
Whiteline HD endlinks on all 4 corners
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-2 camber rear (natural camber, I don't have eccentric bolts or camber plates)
Rolled rear fenders
18x8.5 +48 Rays Gramlights 57U with 235/35 BFG KDW T/As and no rubbing anywhere

Pictures or it didnt happen!!
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Old 05-14-2012, 04:30 PM   #4805
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I was planning on buying whiteline 24mm front and rear bars, but ran across a good deal on some whiteline 27mm bars (adjustable) but I'm guessing they are going to be too stiff for the DD and parking lots and such... anybody run any bars like this, and should I avoid them? thanks!
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Old 05-14-2012, 06:20 PM   #4806
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? sway bars don't effect ride, only cornering so it makes no difference. Suby's that auto cross use 27 mm bars to keep the front flat so that they don't loose camber.

Springs are better for racing because they also help under braking ... which bars have no influence on. Bars are the way to go on a DD
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Old 05-14-2012, 07:05 PM   #4807
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Sway bars do have an effect on ride comfort, though not nearly as noticeable as stiffer spring rates. The sway bar connects the two sides of your suspension together. A smaller bar will have more flex, allowing one side of the suspension to travel more independently of each other. And on the other side of that coin a stiffer bar won't allow as much independent travel.

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Old 05-14-2012, 09:24 PM   #4808
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yes, I am familiar with the purposes of springs and sway bars and their relationship to ride and corning... my question was more about the stiffness/flex when entering a driveway or parking lot when opposing (caddy corner) wheels need to flex. I've broken end links on other cars before because of overly stiff bars on street cars. I was just wondering if anyone had experience with a wagon. I've been reading some of the other reports on the suspension section but they're mostly about handling, autocross, track. I will definitely appreciate the benefits there but don't want to cause unnecessary stress on the chassis as I drive my car EVERY day. Thanks everyone!
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Old 05-14-2012, 09:39 PM   #4809
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You won't have any problems. Especially with whiteline stuff.
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Old 05-14-2012, 10:01 PM   #4810
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I wouldn't normally recommend 27mm bars for a daily driver, but if you're getting them for a good price you don't have much to lose, buy them, install them- if you find the ride unacceptable- sell them
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Old 05-14-2012, 10:09 PM   #4811
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I wouldn't normally recommend 27mm bars for a daily driver, but if you're getting them for a good price you don't have much to lose, buy them, install them- if you find the ride unacceptable- sell them
for the reasons I mention or some other reasons?
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Old 05-14-2012, 10:17 PM   #4812
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With stiff coilovers and bars, I've developed a technique for crossing those ruts. Momentum is your friend, you want to roll through and not try to accelerate. If your endlink breaks, you needed better ones anyway I do have a snapped Hotchkis front bar in my collection though, they replaced the 6 year old bar for the cost of shipping with no hassle. My 2 cents.
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Old 05-14-2012, 10:33 PM   #4813
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for the reasons I mention or some other reasons?
usually not needed and can add some harshness
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Old 05-15-2012, 01:40 PM   #4814
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I have a 22mm whiteline adjustable front sway bar that came with the car. Looking to install that along with a rear bar. What size u guys think I should go with for the rear?
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Old 05-15-2012, 07:27 PM   #4815
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Tires: 225/45/17 Nexen N6000
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Got the rims and tires about a month ago. Love the way they look.
Had the springs and dampers installed yesterday. Love the way the car feels now. Not too low at all and no rub issues front or rear. It feels so much tighter. Less body lean and roll in the corners and it barely feels stiffer than stock. Ride is not bouncy and bumps are soaked up nicely. Went with the Pro Kits b/c I couldn't turn down the deal I got. $100 for the whole set. Went with the Koni's b/c I heard really good things about them and they were a great deal too. $756 after tax. I don't Auto-x or do any track stuff right now so I didn't need stiff springs. Prolly a rear anti-roll bar next and a front strut bar maybe just for some underhood bling .
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Old 05-15-2012, 08:35 PM   #4816
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I have a general question about setups. I'm on jic Coilovers, standard 8k 6k springs. I leave them on full stiff, but a lot of the best roads for "fun" driving are a little bumpy and I feel like I'm losing a lot of grip as a result of bouncing. I think a stiffer strut might help, but in general, is there anything I can add to give me more grip in these situations? Or is the only solution to switch to a spring/ strut setup.
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Old 05-15-2012, 10:17 PM   #4817
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My wagon handles great with coil overs adjustable shocks. Whiteline anti lift kit. Steering rack bushings and rear lockout bolts. I'm doing sway bars next along with a pro alignment. It is kinda rough on rough roads but most low coil over setups would be.

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Old 05-16-2012, 08:01 AM   #4818
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My wagon handles great with coil overs adjustable shocks. Whiteline anti lift kit. Steering rack bushings and rear lockout bolts. I'm doing sway bars next along with a pro alignment. It is kinda rough on rough roads but most low coil over setups would be.
Yeah I'm gonna do a Botox bolt cuz its cheap, then maybe sways. I was thinking it might make this problem worse though, adding more stiffness. I don't care about rough, but sometimes it feels like I hit a bump in a corner and get airborne even at normal speeds. The spring preload is where it's supposed to be per factory instructions.
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Old 05-16-2012, 09:58 AM   #4819
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I have a general question about setups. I'm on jic Coilovers, standard 8k 6k springs. I leave them on full stiff, but a lot of the best roads for "fun" driving are a little bumpy and I feel like I'm losing a lot of grip as a result of bouncing. I think a stiffer strut might help, but in general, is there anything I can add to give me more grip in these situations? Or is the only solution to switch to a spring/ strut setup.
running full stiff is rarely the way to optimum grip, try softening the damping

you want to also experiment w/ varying damping front to rear, this can have a very profound effect on dialing in/out over/understersteer

for the above poster w/ the sway bar ?, I've always a preferred a mid-sized adj rear sway bar (probably like your front 20 or 22mm adj)
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Old 05-16-2012, 11:34 AM   #4820
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running full stiff is rarely the way to optimum grip, try softening the damping

you want to also experiment w/ varying damping front to rear, this can have a very profound effect on dialing in/out over/understersteer
Yeah I like running the front one click from stiff and leaving the rear at full (I only have 5 clicks total). I thought that stiffer would control the bouncing better than softer which is why I went with full stiff. I'll play around with it though
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Old 05-16-2012, 12:10 PM   #4821
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I came onto the forum to respond to some PMs... and everyday an email from THE wagon suspension thread... making me miss my 02 PSM wagon (koni inserts, prodrive springs, grp N mounts, perrin adjustable rear/endlinks)...

Nice to see BIGSKY is still kicking around. Graduating medical school on Friday. Start internship in June. I think I can put off some loan repayment... :P

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Old 05-16-2012, 04:01 PM   #4822
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thanks for popping in and a big congrats on the graduation- that's quite an accomplishment!
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Old 05-22-2012, 01:14 AM   #4823
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Thanks! Sooo, what's the hot "available" setup these days? I could go konis again (I think I have some donor 02-03 struts around). Did they ever revalve them for aftermarket springs? I'm guessing the prodrive springs are hard to come by these days. Alternatives? Just looking for a viable/versatile setup for urban, rough with some off-ramp blasts and visits to the twisties thrown in. Maybe another HPDE in the future. NO autoX WWBigskyD??
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Old 05-22-2012, 10:01 AM   #4824
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Koni's are still king for dampers in my book- they can handle slightly firmer than stock springs and up to springs in the 400# range, twin tube so you get a good daily drive ride (lowering the damping of course)- no worries about stiction etc like a monotube

springs for a spirited daily driver- used STi springs, probably would add the "saggy butt" spacers in the rear did get an even ride height, if you can find wagon pinks for a good price you can get those and skip the rear spacers

decent tires, moderate sway bars, good alignment- done
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Old 05-24-2012, 08:38 AM   #4825
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sounds about right...thanks Mike!
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