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Old 07-26-2012, 01:47 AM   #4851
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I just put suspension techniques coilovers on my wagon. Already had an epic 22mm rear swaybar set to middle. Previously I was running on Epic springs.
I put Whiteline ComC tops in front and group N in the rear. Tristan at Circuit (good service) told me I should put saggy but spacers in the rear and included them in the package.
Once the suspension settled I got it set at 13.5" front and 13.75" rear. Looks awesome but I'm seriously not liking the ride. Incredibly bouncy, feels like there is no damping at all over anything but large bumps. If you bump the fender the whole car shimmies for a few seconds. Not at all the firm but well damped ride I was expecting from ST/KWv1
Also, the ComC mounts have given me too much caster (4.5) so now the car is painfully slow to turn in. Not sure if I messed up somewhere but this is not at all what I was expecting given previous reviews.

goosebumpz - Immediately after installation I had +0.7 camber in the rear but was able to get it down to -0.8 without camber bolts.
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Old 07-26-2012, 01:49 AM   #4852
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I see, thanks for the update! Has your car been in a collision? Do you know why our camber is so bad in the rear?
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Old 07-26-2012, 09:09 AM   #4853
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If you lowered it on the coilovers, your camber should have gone into the negative. My wagon's rear camber sits at -2 without camber plates or bolts, just natural from lowering.

Is the damping adjustable on your coilovers? (I'm not familiar with suspension techniques brand) Too bouncy means you are most likely underdamped. Do you have any idea how the damping and spring rates of your coilovers compare to stock?
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Old 07-26-2012, 11:09 AM   #4854
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Suspension techniques are only adjustable for height. They are identical to KWv1 which is why I am surprised at how under damped they feel. Going to give them a call today.
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Old 07-26-2012, 11:30 AM   #4855
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Does anyone have any good info on how all the geometry is changed with suspension adjustment? I put the wagon on STI springs, so not much lower but have noticed I have a hard time keeping my toe in the right spot. I know that as the car is lowered each piece of the front end changes geometry. I was thinking whiteline's roll center kit might help correct for this but would also like to find some good threads with more in depth info.
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Old 07-26-2012, 11:46 AM   #4856
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The biggest thing that changes when you lower a car is the angle of the lower control arm. The LCA essentially determines camber through the range of suspension compression. With a macpherson style strut, you want to try your best to keep the imaginary angle between the LCA and the road surface above parallel to keep your camber out of positive as best as possible. Positive camber through turns reduces your contact patch, reducing your grip.

The roll center kit isn't going to make much difference on keeping your toe in place. The RCK is designed to keep the camber curve in the right areas by keeping camber from going positive too quickly when the suspension is compressed. It extends the ball joints to push the LCA-hub mount down increasing the imaginary angle between your LCA and the road surface. It also extends the tie rod ends the same amount to ensure steering stays neutral.

I have the RCK on my wagon that's lowered ~2" and it makes a noticeable difference in reducing bump steer. I previously had an LGT that was lowered about 1.5-2" without the RCK and the bump steer was pretty wicked.
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Old 07-26-2012, 01:56 PM   #4857
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Forgot one other thing, the lower mounting point is slotted, this is what I used to get my camber back to negative at the rear.

A question for you - did you use saggy butt shims when you installed your STs? What heights did you go with and how is the ride?

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I have a question on those people running coilovers on your wagons. I curerntly am running Suspension technique coilovers on my wagon with ComC front plates to add camber. Fronts I get about -1.5 camber and my rears i'm not running any camber bolts. The rears I get a +.5 which is weird. My alignment shop says it might've been in an accident and it hasn't at all to change that drastically. I was wondering if I get camber bolts in the rear how much camber would it add?
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Old 07-26-2012, 08:00 PM   #4858
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Forgot one other thing, the lower mounting point is slotted, this is what I used to get my camber back to negative at the rear.

A question for you - did you use saggy butt shims when you installed your STs? What heights did you go with and how is the ride?
The ride is nice, at first I had it pretty low and I lifted it to a two finger gap. While it was low, I had positive camber still. I still have that positive camber. What do you mean the lower mounting point is slotted? I need to get that to negative. Also I did not use any saggy butt shims.
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Old 07-26-2012, 08:17 PM   #4859
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ahh- so they do make a three way damper- very nice
They have for awhile actually, and you could get them for Subarus:



The 3-way clubsports are probably going to cost a little less though.
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Old 09-01-2012, 07:47 PM   #4860
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My 03 wagon has

Koni yellow adjustable struts
Tein Springs (~1" drop only)
BBS RGR 17x7.5 et 48
Michelin Pilot Sport 225/45/17
Whiteline front sway
Epic rear sway
Whiteline endlinks

It doesnt rub that I can tell, rides very nice and is still high enough to take on dirt roads if needed. (i do not rally race it)

I would like to add a rear strut bar to the car to reduce the flex in the back end. Perhaps a whiteline quick release unit?
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Old 09-02-2012, 12:04 AM   #4861
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What do you mean the lower mounting point is slotted? I need to get that to negative. Also I did not use any saggy butt shims.
As you know there are 2 mounting points for each of the struts. The rear strut's lower mounting hole is slotted on the ST/KW V1, so you can adjust the camber with just the stock bolts. I would go so far as to say, NEVER use camber(lobed) bolts in the lower mounting hole because they are already slotted. The mounting holes on the front are the same as the stock, so there is very little adjustment that can be made without the use of camber adjusting strut mounts.

Like the other member, I will also attest that the ST coilover is a bit under dampened and can be a bit bouncy. I would say that the STs are not harsh by any means but could be better. I believe my lowering settings are somewhere in the neighborhood of 13.5f and 13.1r. I initially went pretty aggressive by adding an WL ALK(Sport), camber at -2.5f, and -1.0 rear with 5.5 deg caster(I am also running STi LCAs and WL Com-Cs as well) and had Falken ZE512. With these settings, I hatted the ride and the noise! Since then, I have ditched the ALK for a more modest SPT STI control arm bushing, -1.5f/-.9r camber, 4.0 caster and replaced the tires with Falken ZE912. The ride is much nicer for the daily drive and seems to be very compliant though still a bit bumpy. I mentioned the tires, because the ZE512s were crap and induced some of the harshness as well.
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Old 09-15-2012, 06:00 PM   #4862
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I've been running TEIN H-Tech springs on stock struts with Noltec Camber/Castor plates for about 6 years, around 60K miles. It worked really well for me... fairly comfortable ride, no rubbing on 225/40/18 tires, seemed to perform well at auto-x, etc. But I looked under the hood last week and found out the urethane bushings are deteriorating, fast! (pic below)

I think the stock struts are toast, time for a revamp. I'm thinking about going with Koni inserts all around with Whiteline Com-C's up front, stock top hats in the rear.

Anyone run this setup and like it? This is for a spirited daily driver, not auto-x'ing anymore. Will the spring rates and drop be OK with the Koni's? I would also consider Tokico or Gabriel shocks, I just don't have any experience with them.


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Old 09-16-2012, 04:34 PM   #4863
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Old 09-25-2012, 01:22 PM   #4864
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Hello Nasioc,

I purchased an 07 wagon with a crap ton of mods and spare parts. Long story short, it has H&R Coilovers that are way, way to stiff for my bad back. It came with a set of koni inserts and I picked up a used set of sacrificial wagon struts for the conversion. I'm on rockauto looking at the KYB strut mounts f/r. Group Ns are just too pricey.

Questions: Should I get the strut bellows as well?
Does anyone have recommendations for a more compliant suspension for a daily driver?

Setup:
07 wagon
Whiteline sways, endlinks, mounts
whiteline ALK
Prodrive GC-014i 17x7.5
225/45 r 17 PS3s
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f/r strut tower braces

wagon coilovers will be available shortly

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Old 09-25-2012, 01:59 PM   #4865
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Does anyone have recommendations for a more compliant suspension for a daily driver?
You should be able to find stock takeoff springs pretty cheap. And, maybe some GR-2 struts to go with.
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Old 09-25-2012, 02:03 PM   #4866
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You should be able to find stock takeoff springs pretty cheap. And, maybe some GR-2 struts to go with.
He already has koni inserts.

Wagon pinks should be good unless your trying to go low. I think you might be overdampened with stock springs on koni's, but I could be wrong
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Old 09-25-2012, 02:09 PM   #4867
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i forgot to mention...i also have a set of Eibach springs, not sure which model.
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Old 09-25-2012, 05:05 PM   #4868
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Eibach springs are low and to soft.

If you want stock ish ride hight and slightly stiffer then stock then look for Sti take offs or Pinks.

If you want a little more firm and performance look for RCE black's

If you have lower correct stiffness the RCE Yellow.

If you want more then get Ground control adapters and any spring you like, pick you ride hight and stiffness.

I am guessing you are under a budget as you commented that group N top pats are to expensive so just get some Sti take offs and I would recommend ether whiteline or group N top hats. yes they are worth it.

I would get the top hats and skip the strut tower braces for now.

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Old 09-25-2012, 06:20 PM   #4869
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Yep, check the classifieds for STi springs. There are plenty. Got mine for $70 shipped.
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Old 09-25-2012, 07:47 PM   #4870
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I have swifts for the wagon with d-specs. Rides great, recommend them if you are looking for stock-like ride.

here's the setup
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Old 09-26-2012, 09:59 PM   #4871
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Hey, a bit of a suspension noob here with a 2004 wrx wagon. My current setup is what I bought the car with, stock struts and some brutal lowering springs. Long story short my stock struts are toast and the springs are way too low but still somehow soft enough to bottom out everywhere, I can only fit one finger between the tire and the fender and I scrape everywhere.

My priorities are having a higher car (slightly lower that stock preferably) but still be stiff for spirited driving/occasional track use. Coilovers are out due to road conditions here. What would the ideal setup be? OEM or aftermarket struts? what springs? Budget is $1100ish.
(also am planning on getting things like swaybars and strut tower bars in the future as money becomes available if that needs to be taken into consideration.)
Thanks for any help.

Edit:sorry if I'm unclear but I'm asking for both springs AND struts.

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Old 09-26-2012, 10:24 PM   #4872
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Beard- I would suggest going with swift wagon springs. That's what I have on my mine and they ride like stock, if not better because my struts were shot. I replaced my stock struts with d-specs and they are awesome. You can adjust them for track days and your ride back home.

This setup should put under your budget. Best of luck.
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Old 09-27-2012, 09:05 AM   #4873
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Hey, a bit of a suspension noob here with a 2004 wrx wagon. My current setup is what I bought the car with, stock struts and some brutal lowering springs. Long story short my stock struts are toast and the springs are way too low but still somehow soft enough to bottom out everywhere, I can only fit one finger between the tire and the fender and I scrape everywhere.

My priorities are having a higher car (slightly lower that stock preferably) but still be stiff for spirited driving/occasional track use. Coilovers are out due to road conditions here. What would the ideal setup be? OEM or aftermarket struts? what springs? Budget is $1100ish.
(also am planning on getting things like swaybars and strut tower bars in the future as money becomes available if that needs to be taken into consideration.)
Thanks for any help.

Edit:sorry if I'm unclear but I'm asking for both springs AND struts.
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Beard- I would suggest going with swift wagon springs. That's what I have on my mine and they ride like stock, if not better because my struts were shot. I replaced my stock struts with d-specs and they are awesome. You can adjust them for track days and your ride back home.

This setup should put under your budget. Best of luck.
I recommend ether d spec or Koni inserts and any of the below:
Sti take offs + saggy but spacer
STI Wagon Pinks
RCE blacks + saggy but spacer
RCE yellow+ saggy but spacer ( if you want to be as lower then a stock sti)

keep in mind if you go with d-specs you will need more negative camber adjustment.

I also suggest Group N top hats or white line com C front top hats.

if you want more info SEARCH NOOB... just kidding look for a series of post started by big sky wrx.

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Old 09-27-2012, 02:07 PM   #4874
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^^ Thanks and I actually did search, that's how I found this thread, I dug through it a bit and just wanted to clarify everything before I went for it.

I was under the impression that the struts would fit 2004 tophats as long as you had the scooby spacers? Or are the new ones required? Also for camber adjustment do I just need to get rear camber bolts, or does it require more than that?

sorry for the questions, I just want clarification so we don't end up with a new thread down the road along the lines of "OH GOD EVERYTHING HAS GONE HORRIBLY WRONG"

Thanks
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Old 10-13-2012, 02:44 PM   #4875
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Update on my suspension:

My old suspension was H&R coils, model 29339-2 a model only available in Europe (i was recently stationed in Germany where I bought the car). If the manufacturer didn't state otherwise, I'd swear they were made of solid concrete. There was no compliance making the ride too harsh. However, there was no body roll and these were nothing short of amazing on the Nurburgring. Ride was OK on perfect (ish) European roads, but unacceptable on North American roads (I have a bad back, so this is more pronounced).

I had the Koni inserts installed with the Eibach springs and KYB tophats. First impressions: bumps, joints, and other road imperfections are greatly reduced. The interior isn't shaking itself apart on every drive.

Handling prowess is reduced. There is more body roll, but this was a known tradeoff. Still better than stock, and is fine for a DD.

Ride height is a little higher. The coils were height adjustable, and the previous height was low, but not slammed, about one finger all around. Now the height is two in front, one in back, and other than saggy butt spacers, I'm not sure I can do anything about that.

Overall, I'm glad I did the change. Coils will be in the FS section soon. They only have about 3500 miles on them (long story).
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