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Old 07-30-2013, 01:17 PM   #5126
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Quick question....I ended up buying this setup, but my question is if I should get group n strut tops. Keep in mind that my wagon is my DD and will probably never see a track of any type. At 145 bucks from TiC they aren't that expensive, but I don't want to spend it if it isn't worthwhile. Opinions?
Group-N fronts are very much worth it.

Save your money in the rear and stick with stock.
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Old 07-30-2013, 01:44 PM   #5127
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Quick question....I ended up buying this setup, but my question is if I should get group n strut tops. Keep in mind that my wagon is my DD and will probably never see a track of any type. At 145 bucks from TiC they aren't that expensive, but I don't want to spend it if it isn't worthwhile. Opinions?
Not necessary unless you (and your passengers) want to feel more road.

OTOH, yours are old and you already have to remove them...

PS: You should try a track day/driver's school.
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Old 07-30-2013, 02:10 PM   #5128
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Group-N fronts are very much worth it.

Save your money in the rear and stick with stock.
Cool thanks....just considering the fronts only.
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Old 07-30-2013, 02:12 PM   #5129
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Not necessary unless you (and your passengers) want to feel more road.

OTOH, yours are old and you already have to remove them...

PS: You should try a track day/driver's school.

I've thought about it but have no real desire. I usually go every year or every other year to a Speedtech school, but its for NASCAR, so I get my track fix there. I've tossed around the idea of trying autox for the last 8 or 9 years but the desire never got to a point where I just had to try it.
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Old 07-30-2013, 08:19 PM   #5130
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tops are a wear item (front and rear), if they are getting long in the tooth- replace the front and the rear, I haven't priced oe tops, but they might not be much cheaper than Grp N ones- if true, that's an easy choice
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Old 07-30-2013, 08:44 PM   #5131
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tops are a wear item (front and rear), if they are getting long in the tooth- replace the front and the rear, I haven't priced oe tops, but they might not be much cheaper than Grp N ones- if true, that's an easy choice
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Old 07-30-2013, 10:53 PM   #5132
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One last question: since AGXs are for sedans but will bolt on a wagon, is it necessary to get camber bolts for just even stock camber? From reading it sounds like it can limit negative camber on the wagons, but for a car that isn't tracked, does it really matter?
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Old 07-30-2013, 11:12 PM   #5133
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One last question: since AGXs are for sedans but will bolt on a wagon, is it necessary to get camber bolts for just even stock camber? From reading it sounds like it can limit negative camber on the wagons, but for a car that isn't tracked, does it really matter?
Increasing negative camber up front makes a big improvement as far as performance goes.

For a plain DD street car, even if you match the front camber with the rear, you will see a great change.

Increasing negative camber in the front does a great deal to stop the understeer these cars are prone to.

A great street set up would be:
-2.0 front. Both sides EVEN!
Stock rear camber (about -1.5)
Toe set at zero all around.

You can use Whiteline Com-C tops to increase the fronts negative camber or slot the struts to do the same.
I'm not a fan of aftermarket camber bolts, but that's just me.
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Old 07-30-2013, 11:51 PM   #5134
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So if I go with com cs I can negate the camber issue that come with sedan struts, instead of having to get camber bolts?

I'm an even bigger noob when it comes to alignment. Even though I've had lots of different cars, this will be my first with aftermarket struts/springs.

Thanks for the help! Any other tidbits of advice concerning the setup I've got would be appreciated.
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Old 07-31-2013, 12:20 AM   #5135
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No problem.

Do yourself a favor though. Read up on what these alignment numbers actually mean and do. I think it's very important to know what these changes actually do. The more you know the better.

Oh, and research where good places are near you that do GOOD ALIGNMENTS! More often than not, places like Sears, Firestone, etc. etc. do not take the time to do it right, or have techs who really don't know what they are doing.
Go to your local chapter on here on NASIOC and ask for good shops in your area.

I got tired of crappy shops, so I do my own alignments again now.

Good luck.
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Old 07-31-2013, 12:41 AM   #5136
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No problem.

Do yourself a favor though. Read up on what these alignment numbers actually mean and do. I think it's very important to know what these changes actually do. The more you know the better.

Oh, and research where good places are near you that do GOOD ALIGNMENTS! More often than not, places like Sears, Firestone, etc. etc. do not take the time to do it right, or have techs who really don't know what they are doing.
Go to your local chapter on here on NASIOC and ask for good shops in your area.

I got tired of crappy shops, so I do my own alignments again now.

Good luck.
There's a good independent shop that does really good alignments near me.

About my question, is that true that I can get the camber I want with com c strut tops and not have to bother with camber bolts?
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Old 07-31-2013, 01:13 AM   #5137
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Yes it's true.
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Old 07-31-2013, 01:29 AM   #5138
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Awesome thanks!
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Old 08-08-2013, 05:57 PM   #5139
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Hey guys,

Currently driving a '02 wrx WAGON. It's about time to upgrade some of the suspension in my car. My main goal is to fix my old, outdated struts and achieve a performance upgrade as well as have a decent drop in ride height. I live in the city so my daily driving routs are shi*. I called TiC and had a quick conversation about which route I take; they were very helpful in guiding me the right way. Basically, I would like to know if my parts list was ok or lacking anything before I go ahead and do the thing:

-Koni Inserts
-Top hats
Front: Group N OR Whiteline Com C (still undecided?)
Rear: Group N ('04-'05)
-RCE Wagon springs OR Yellows (still undecided?)
-Scooby921 Strut Spacers
-Saggy Butt Shims (.375mm)
-Camber bolts for the rear

If I go with the Group N Fronts, I will need camber bolts as I understand?
If I go with the Whiteline Com C fronts, will I still need new camber bolts upfront?
Will there still be any thread on the strut bolts when using strut bars with spacer in rear?
Will I need to use D_Rex Koni extenders?
*my current suspension upgrades only consist of f/r strut bars, f/r sway bars with endlinks.

Thanks..hoping to hear some insightful information.

-Austin

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Old 08-08-2013, 08:46 PM   #5140
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if you want more than oe camber, then yes you'll want something that increases camber-if that's the case then I'd go w/ the Com C's (no bolts needed); if -1.0-ish is enough then I'd go w/ the Group N fronts (and no camber bolts)

camber bolts in the rear if you need to adjust camber, if the cross camber is OK- I don't see much of a need for camber bolts in the rear (unless you're trying to dial out neg camber)

the strut spacers you'll need as you're going w/ a "new" style spring

the shims will be needed w/ yellows (they are a sedan spring), shouldn't be needed w/ the wagon springs

you may be a little tight w/ threads for a rear strut bar, the upgrade in springs clearly outweighs any benefit of a strut bar, so I wouldn't sweat that too much

I don't think you'd "need" the extenders w/ either of those springs, they do give you a little more bump stroke
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Old 08-09-2013, 01:23 PM   #5141
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do the drex extenders. The extra travel is worth it. Its a hassle to do it after the fact.
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Old 08-09-2013, 02:51 PM   #5142
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Hey guys,

Currently driving a '02 wrx WAGON. It's about time to upgrade some of the suspension in my car. My main goal is to fix my old, outdated struts and achieve a performance upgrade as well as have a decent drop in ride height. I live in the city so my daily driving routs are shi*. I called TiC and had a quick conversation about which route I take; they were very helpful in guiding me the right way. Basically, I would like to know if my parts list was ok or lacking anything before I go ahead and do the thing:

-Koni Inserts
-Top hats
Front: Group N OR Whiteline Com C (still undecided?)
Rear: Group N ('04-'05)
-RCE Wagon springs OR Yellows (still undecided?)
-Scooby921 Strut Spacers
-Saggy Butt Shims (.375mm)
-Camber bolts for the rear

If I go with the Group N Fronts, I will need camber bolts as I understand?
If I go with the Whiteline Com C fronts, will I still need new camber bolts upfront?
Will there still be any thread on the strut bolts when using strut bars with spacer in rear?
Will I need to use D_Rex Koni extenders?
*my current suspension upgrades only consist of f/r strut bars, f/r sway bars with endlinks.

Thanks..hoping to hear some insightful information.

-Austin

I really like my setup. It handles very well, street and track, and it's practical for urban life without too much lowering. No need for rear spacers.

http://www.clubwrx.net/forums/suspen...ml#post3033958
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Old 08-09-2013, 09:50 PM   #5143
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Hey mmiller, I like the look of your setup. What size wheel/tire are you rolling?
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Old 08-11-2013, 11:20 AM   #5144
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Hey guys,

Currently driving a '02 wrx WAGON. It's about time to upgrade some of the suspension in my car. My main goal is to fix my old, outdated struts and achieve a performance upgrade as well as have a decent drop in ride height. I live in the city so my daily driving routs are shi*. I called TiC and had a quick conversation about which route I take; they were very helpful in guiding me the right way. Basically, I would like to know if my parts list was ok or lacking anything before I go ahead and do the thing:

-Koni Inserts
-Top hats
Front: Group N OR Whiteline Com C (still undecided?)
Rear: Group N ('04-'05)
-RCE Wagon springs OR Yellows (still undecided?)
-Scooby921 Strut Spacers
-Saggy Butt Shims (.375mm)
-Camber bolts for the rear

If I go with the Group N Fronts, I will need camber bolts as I understand?
If I go with the Whiteline Com C fronts, will I still need new camber bolts upfront?
Will there still be any thread on the strut bolts when using strut bars with spacer in rear?
Will I need to use D_Rex Koni extenders?
*my current suspension upgrades only consist of f/r strut bars, f/r sway bars with endlinks.

Thanks..hoping to hear some insightful information.

-Austin
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if you want more than oe camber, then yes you'll want something that increases camber-if that's the case then I'd go w/ the Com C's (no bolts needed); if -1.0-ish is enough then I'd go w/ the Group N fronts (and no camber bolts)

camber bolts in the rear if you need to adjust camber, if the cross camber is OK- I don't see much of a need for camber bolts in the rear (unless you're trying to dial out neg camber)

the strut spacers you'll need as you're going w/ a "new" style spring

the shims will be needed w/ yellows (they are a sedan spring), shouldn't be needed w/ the wagon springs

you may be a little tight w/ threads for a rear strut bar, the upgrade in springs clearly outweighs any benefit of a strut bar, so I wouldn't sweat that too much

I don't think you'd "need" the extenders w/ either of those springs, they do give you a little more bump stroke
I wish I would have done the d rex extenders I have:

com C I cant imaging going with them set to max camber/max caster position
Koni
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and I think 3/8" saggy butt spacers.
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Old 08-12-2013, 05:57 AM   #5145
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I put in the drex extenders after a few thousand miles.....it was a pain in the ass but totally worth it. Which is why I recommend doing it the first time around. The extra travel makes a world of difference in ride quality, the Konis soak everything up nicely even at speed.
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Old 08-13-2013, 01:45 PM   #5146
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Hey mmiller, I like the look of your setup. What size wheel/tire are you rolling?
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Old 08-20-2013, 10:13 PM   #5147
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Can you guys clarify this for me? Are the sedan rsb the same length as the wagons (2002). I just got the hotchkis competition swaybar set for a sedan and the rear bar looks a little short. I had to pry the endlinks towards the center of the car quite a bit to get the rsb on there. The endlinks don't look right tilted inwards.
I bought the sedan set because I have front sti control arms, and the front bar fits perfect.
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Old 08-20-2013, 10:40 PM   #5148
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They are the same in the rear.

Did you get a STI bar? The STI is different than the WRX.
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Old 08-20-2013, 10:44 PM   #5149
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I had the same issue years ago with Hotchkis. After going around and around with them about the bar being too short, they finally sent me a set of their adjustable lateral links (unfortunately I don't think they make them anymore) because the end link mounts on them were adjustable. I'll try and find my photos, but like I said it was years ago, September of 2004. They took care of me, and years later when I snapped my front bar, they took care of me again replacing the bar for the cost of shipping, even though it had over 100k miles on it! Get in touch with Hotchkis, their customer service is top notch in my experience.

showing the angle with stock endlinks


Whiteline endlinks rubbed on the bar.


Compared to a stock bar, the with the stock bar, the endlinks go on the outside, with the hotchkis bar they go on the inside. I had the other end of both bars bolted to another link.

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Old 08-20-2013, 11:09 PM   #5150
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I also have Hotchkis bars. No issues, mine fit perfectly.
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