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Old 09-10-2008, 08:48 AM   #2401
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Stock 16"x6.5" Wheels
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Camber is set to -1.5 f / -1.2 r
Tire pressure for DD is 37 psi f / 35 r
D-Specs adjusted to 4.5 turns FFS f / 4.25 turns FFS r

The setup makes for a great DD. The car feels planted and responsive and understeer is less noticeable than stock. The Swift's for 02/03 don't drop the front or rear much at all and there is definitely no saggy rear. I'll have to measure once I'm on a flatter surface, but I'm happy with the minimal drop and slightly stiffer spring rates.

Next up will be rolled rear fenders, 17" wheels, and Summer tires. Oh, and possibly those WL Steering Rack Bushings.
Pics please! Or at least get those ride height measurements up
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Old 09-10-2008, 09:03 PM   #2402
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Hi to all you koni insert / rce spring owners , etc etc. I have a quick question , how would my car perform without the konis? I was wondering if it's not that bad to run without the insert. My car will be a DD and future some AX but that's later on. I would like to get wagon rce springs so i would like any info if anyone is running rce wagons with oem struts.
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Old 09-10-2008, 09:09 PM   #2403
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In stock classes you are allowed to change shocks but not springs ... there is a reason for that. Shocks are much more important ... not that the oem shocks can't handle light weight rce's.
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Old 09-10-2008, 09:10 PM   #2404
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Hi to all you koni insert / rce spring owners , etc etc. I have a quick question , how would my car perform without the konis? I was wondering if it's not that bad to run without the insert. My car will be a DD and future some AX but that's later on. I would like to get wagon rce springs so i would like any info if anyone is running rce wagons with oem struts.
Not that well. The spring is way too stiff for the stock dampers.
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Old 09-10-2008, 09:18 PM   #2405
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your dampers are set up for the oe springs- rates are 168/132, the RCE wagon springs are 278/259- a significant increase in rates, I think you would be severely underdamped w/ the oe struts

as makofoto has alluded to, your better off w/ new dampers and then add springs later

there are a few springs that can be used w/ the oe dampers, but if your looking into autox down the road then put your $ into dampers first and pass on those particular springs
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Old 09-18-2008, 09:38 PM   #2406
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Few questions regarding suspension set up and winter driving:

1) Going to get some tweaks done on my alignment this weekend, and am tentatively shooting for -1.5 up front and -1.2 in the rear (per recomendations here). I am wondering if I should go for more. Pros/cons? But getting into winter, any downside to have more neg camber for snow and ice driving?

2) Anybody with tokicos soften them up a bit for winter? I would assume they work the same regardless of temp (no adjustments on regular shocks and never noticed a ride difference), but was just curious.

3) Running a 205/55/16 dedicated studless snow tire. How does that, if at all, change the equation to the upper two questions?
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Old 09-19-2008, 09:36 AM   #2407
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that alignment is fine for winter- I wouldn't want any more neg camber up front for winter nor any less in the rear

I just got my "winter" alignment done went to -1.0 front, -1.5 rear 0 toe (my "summer" alignment was -3.0 up front

I run my dampers (Koni's) relatively soft on the street regardless (firm them up for weekends)

tire doesn't change things, winter you want your suspension a little softer and alignment less aggressive
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Old 09-19-2008, 10:15 AM   #2408
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Living in Virginia, we get one or two 4" - 6" snowstorms a year, and that's about it. I've never had issues with my summer alignment in these snowstorms, and its not really worth the effort for those 2 times. I don't think you need to change your alignment unless you get real snow, which you 2 both do.

I'm with BIGSKY on the damping - I leave it the same unless I'm autocrossing, but its relatively soft to begin with (Koni struts). If I really cranked it stiff during the summer, I'd probably take it softer during winter though.
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Old 09-19-2008, 02:28 PM   #2409
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Update to my handling setup...

Bilstein Pss9 Coilovers
08 STI/Enkei Wheels and
Toyo Proxes 4 225/45/17
JDM STI wagon lower control arms
FHI 4-pot front calipers
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Whiteline 22/24/27mm adj rear swaybar
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Old 09-19-2008, 02:58 PM   #2410
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you must have a six speed swap to be running 5x114's

what's the spring rates on the Bilsteins?
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Old 09-19-2008, 03:07 PM   #2411
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Nope, they're 5x100. Check it out...

http://www.japanparts.com/db/partsli...aker=4&volkey=

^^^ 5th set down on the page.

And I don't remember what the rates are but I believe 400/500
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Old 09-19-2008, 05:43 PM   #2412
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Nope, they're 5x100. Check it out...

http://www.japanparts.com/db/partsli...aker=4&volkey=

^^^ 5th set down on the page.

And I don't remember what the rates are but I believe 400/500
I'm confused... Are your wheels off of an 08 STi or just the same design wheel? B/c I thought all 05+ STI's were 114.3x5.
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Old 09-19-2008, 06:13 PM   #2413
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questions....

I have a 2004 wrx wagon.

I'm currently running V7 spec C struts with wagon pink springs and stock top hats. I was running camber plates and sedan rear top hats and it worked fine minus the saggy but.
The current set up the max camber I can get is -.25 in the front. And the rear is clunking like crazy.

Instead of trying to fix the issues there I picked up some new struts. I got AGX struts with the front struts being the ones that CVR Motorsports recommended. I have camber bolts front and rear. This package... but I have the older adjust on top rear struts. http://www.cvrmotorsports.com/store/...product_id=212

Am I going to have issues hitting something like -1.8 or 2 up front to go with -1 in the back.

I also run Whiteline front and rear sway bars. 24/27. WL rear mounts. Perrin rear endlinks. Stock in the front but I hope to remedy that with some kartboy ones.

I'm also thinking of switching springs and I can't decide if the RCE wagon springs will be too stiff. I want a little stiffer than my current springs and a little lower.
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Old 09-19-2008, 06:25 PM   #2414
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OK, if with sedan struts you're currently only getting -0.25, you could reasonably expect to max out at -1.7 to -1.8 if you add an aftermarket camber bolt to the lower strut hole in the front. However, if you go to the AGX wagon struts, you should be hitting something like -1.0 in the front with only the stock camber bolt. Adding an aftermarket bolt to the lower hole should send you up into the -2.3 to -2.5 range.

If you want to go lower and stiffer than your Wagon Pinks, your options pretty much are only the RCE Wagon Blacks or the JDM Pinks with a Paranoid Fabrications Saggy Butt Shim in the rear. However, I wouldn't be really excited about either of those with the AGXes. If you think it's likely you're going to upgrade springs again, you might talk to CVR and see if they'll let you change your order from AGXes to D-Specs.
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Old 09-19-2008, 06:37 PM   #2415
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The struts are already here.

I had a feeling I'd be oversprung. Right now I'm overdamped...haaaa.

crap. Well the wagon pinks should be fine with the agx and the giant sway bars will be alright.

What about Swift and Crucial. Only two other springs I'd think about beyond RCE.

Turn In seemed to think the AGX could handle the RCE springs. I'll be running on full stiff or close to it most of the time. Even when I hit the snow.

If I had the dough I'd go koni struts but I am trading my old stuff for 2 agx. I already had 2.
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Old 09-19-2008, 06:43 PM   #2416
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Oh, the AGXes definitely can handle the Blacks or the JDM Pinks in the sense of controlling them properly for good handling. However, the D-Specs ride significantly better than the AGXes. That difference is only going to become more pronounced as you have to stiffen up the dampers for stiffer springs.
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Old 09-19-2008, 07:41 PM   #2417
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-0.25 is the max camber you could get w/ camber plates????

even w/o camber plates AND sedan struts you should be in the -0.7 range just w/ the oe eccentric bolts, MANY alignment shops don't know how to adjust the camber up front- they loosen the top nut and start twisting away- both nuts (top and bottom) have to FULLY loosened before adjusting

there are a few additional tricks to get even more camber out of the oe setup
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Old 09-19-2008, 07:57 PM   #2418
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-0.25 is the max camber you could get w/ camber plates????

even w/o camber plates AND sedan struts you should be in the -0.7 range just w/ the oe eccentric bolts, MANY alignment shops don't know how to adjust the camber up front- they loosen the top nut and start twisting away- both nuts (top and bottom) have to FULLY loosened before adjusting

there are a few additional tricks to get even more camber out of the oe setup
I took it to mean he no longer has the camber plates on there. Remember, on the unbent side of my car, the most I could get out of it with sedan struts was -0.4 (the bent side maxed out positive).
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Old 09-19-2008, 08:04 PM   #2419
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^ that could be a RS vs WRX strut difference possibly? I don't think anyone has compared the orientation of the holes side by side (RS to WRX) that I'm aware of- different part #'s (could be just valving???)

-0.25 still sounds like a tech not loosening the lower bolt to me, that's well below the "norm" wagon folks are seeing w/ sedan struts
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Old 09-19-2008, 09:42 PM   #2420
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-0.25 is the max camber you could get w/ camber plates????

even w/o camber plates AND sedan struts you should be in the -0.7 range just w/ the oe eccentric bolts, MANY alignment shops don't know how to adjust the camber up front- they loosen the top nut and start twisting away- both nuts (top and bottom) have to FULLY loosened before adjusting

there are a few additional tricks to get even more camber out of the oe setup
I sold the camber plates... oops.

No it's spec C struts with wagon springs and top hats.

I was with the tech when he did the camber and I made him loosen everything because I thought he was nuts. He kept saying that he thought I was crazy asking for max negative camber in the front. He said most subaru guys go with -.3 or 4 up front and -1 to -1.3 in the rear (stock spec) and like it. I told him they don't know what they're talking about. So I wouldn't be surprised if it was tech error but I thought the guy was an idiot so I got under there and made sure he loosened everything.

-.25 was the best we could get. So I've been running -.25 up front and -1.3 in the rear. It's like driving a civic but worse. my civic handled WAY better.

I was happy with -1.8 and -1.3. I'd like to get somewhere close to that again.
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Old 09-19-2008, 09:47 PM   #2421
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Yeah, I drove around like that for about 6 months. Taught me how to drive the car damned well though.
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Old 09-19-2008, 09:50 PM   #2422
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Yeah, I drove around like that for about 6 months. Taught me how to drive the car damned well though.
Only time its fun is when its wet out. My tires are done for so it's instant drift mobile. Pretty friggin sketchy though.

Looking to do the suspension this weekend. Get new tires in the next week and then go in for an alignment.
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Old 09-19-2008, 09:55 PM   #2423
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I'm confused... Are your wheels off of an 08 STi or just the same design wheel? B/c I thought all 05+ STI's were 114.3x5.
They're designed by STI, branded STI, and built by Enkei. Sold in Japan, and made available on the USDM FXT. Follow the link in my post above and read the "more info" link to see the specs.

I hope that clears things up.
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Old 09-21-2008, 09:35 PM   #2424
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Well, here it is for now. Just got the take-offs on this weekend.

04' STI take-offs (springs and struts)
N-Hats F/R.
Paranoid Fad 3/8" shims, rear
WL solid links F/R
WL solid rear sway (22/24/27mm adj)
Hotk. hollow front (non-adjust, I think it is 25.4 so 22mm equiv.)
Cusco rear strut tower brace
WL ALK ("sport")
WL steering rack bushings
GT-Spec 4-Point Ladder Bar
ST BBK 328, 4 pot front (stock rear save for the lines and track pads when needed)
Rota SDRs with 225/45R17 Falken AZENIS RT-615

A couple more days of driving and I will get an alignment. Was running -1.5 in the rear before. Would like to duplicate that. I am going to run a double camber bolt front until I can afford RCE non-lowering plates.
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post up your ride heights
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