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Old 01-06-2004, 02:13 AM   #1
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Can someone with air tools maybe help me out with these? I am getting them this week, hopefully. And school starts on Monday, so I am hoping to get down to business before then.

Anyone up for it?

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Old 01-06-2004, 10:22 AM   #2
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Drew, are these the DMS? If so, you may want to wait until spring when all there is less salt on the roads until you put them on. Keep corrosion down and help them last longer.

The DMS I bought are off the car and will not go on for a few months.....I reverted to a KYB/spring setup for the SLC winter road conditions. I also took off my OZ rims to keep them from getting salt pits.

winter = rallye setup
summer = tarmac setup



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Old 01-06-2004, 01:02 PM   #3
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I can probably help put but i am not sure how much help i can be. I jacked my back snowboarding yesterday. But i do have the air tools.

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Old 01-06-2004, 01:46 PM   #4
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They are JIC FLT-A2, some new US Spec ones. And I dont have any winter tires so the VOLK/TOYO combo is still on my car. I try to keep it clean and dont drive it much when its snowing. I think in the past 2 weeks its been driven once to the bank.

And salt pits? Is it really that bad? I am not driving through snow or ont he roads after they've plowed/salted them.

Thanks ben. What were you doing when you hurt your back? a Big cab 540?

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Old 01-06-2004, 02:46 PM   #5
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They are JIC FLT-A2, some new US Spec ones. And I dont have any winter tires so the VOLK/TOYO combo is still on my car. I try to keep it clean and dont drive it much when its snowing. I think in the past 2 weeks its been driven once to the bank.

And salt pits? Is it really that bad? I am not driving through snow or ont he roads after they've plowed/salted them.
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I dont have alot of money, so I try to take care of what I have the best I can. I pulled the OZ's because the finish is still good on them and I want to keep them looking good as long as I can. I don't have a choice, I drive everyday....and if it snowing....I'm on the road before the plows and coming home when its all slushy and craptacular. My black rims are usually white with road crap....I dont want that on my OZ's.

Although, I like to drive in the snow, its quite fun. I feel fortunate enough to have a summer setup and a winter setup now. The 15" legacy rims with all season continentals work well in deep snow

Noah and I played musical suspension not long ago...if you need help.....let me know....we dont need air tools to swap it out...just run to a garage to have them hit the top nuts when we are done.

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Old 01-06-2004, 02:51 PM   #6
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Noah and I played musical suspension not long ago...if you need help.....let me know....we dont need air tools to swap it out...just run to a garage to have them hit the top nuts when we are done.

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I dont have a lot of money either. I spent it all on the VOLKS.

SoI only have one set of wheels.

The suspension is getting picked up tonight in CA and being shipped to me tomorrow. SHould be here by the weekend. I will let you guys know.

How long does it take>
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Old 01-06-2004, 02:55 PM   #7
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Yeah, those Volks were worth every penny, so I see your point

Are they coming with camber plates or anything? or are we using your old top hats?

It could take anywhere from 1 hour if everything comes apart smooth...to 2 hours if we have issues putting the new set together and setting the proper height.

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Old 01-06-2004, 03:31 PM   #8
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Here are some pics of the actual suspension I am getting: Camber plates, top hats, thats all new to me. Can you tell by these pcitures?


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Old 01-06-2004, 04:29 PM   #9
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Drew, that will be an easy swap. Just seach out a good ride height setting in the suspension forum. That way we will not have to set it, put the wheels on, drop it and see, raise it, take off the wheels, adjust it, put wheels back on, drop it and see...repeat as needed....

We can just get a good thread count, preset the perches, slide them on and your good to go!

Nice choice on the JIC by the way!

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Old 01-06-2004, 04:52 PM   #10
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Thanks ben. What were you doing when you hurt your back? a Big cab 540?

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Nope i tried my first rail slide and my boardslid out from under me and my head hit the ground and bent really hard at the neck. I am so freaking glad i didn't hit the bar. I should be fine gotta love pain pills.

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Old 01-06-2004, 05:03 PM   #11
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Nope i tried my first rail slide and my boardslid out from under me and my head hit the ground and bent really hard at the neck. I am so freaking glad i didn't hit the bar. I should be fine gotta love pain pills.

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Oh the learning stages. Just keep your knees bent and balanced. You will get it. When I was learning backside lipslides I caught my edge and smacked my head on the rail and it bled like crazy. No stitches though.



And when I was learning frontside 540's I misjudged the landing and landed right on my butthole. Oh man did it hurt, I was practically crying. I felt like I ripped myself a new one.

OUCH!
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Old 01-06-2004, 05:04 PM   #12
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Drew, that will be an easy swap. Just seach out a good ride height setting in the suspension forum. That way we will not have to set it, put the wheels on, drop it and see, raise it, take off the wheels, adjust it, put wheels back on, drop it and see...repeat as needed....

We can just get a good thread count, preset the perches, slide them on and your good to go!

Nice choice on the JIC by the way!

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Good ride height? I want no wheel gap, I want it to be low. So maybe 2 inches all around? I am a suspension n00b.
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Old 01-06-2004, 05:07 PM   #13
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Ben,

Try to 50/50 the rails first. Its alot easier to learn how the board will react that way and a ton more stable. The mail box will be a lot more slippery than a squared handrail....even though they are lower to the ground, they are fast as hell. You can then 50/50 and shifty to board slide and see/feel the difference.

Learning to boardslide off the bat is going huge though....at least you go for it

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Old 01-06-2004, 05:10 PM   #14
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2" all around huh.....I would see if anyone in the suspension forum has those JIC's, can tell you their current height, dampening, and rebound settings, and if they have a picture to post so you can see.

JIC may also provide a setup guide.....we can always use that. I prefer to learn from the experience of others though.

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Old 01-06-2004, 05:54 PM   #15
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I just read about 8 pages of thread pertaining to the JIC's. My head hurts.

I will post back when I figure it out.
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Old 01-07-2004, 09:37 PM   #16
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OKay they will be here on Monday. Is anyone up for a coilover install monday evening at my house? In a heated garage?

Let me know

I will provide beers, soda what have you.

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Old 01-08-2004, 01:07 AM   #17
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so where is ur car going to be on friday drew? i want to steal it ...j/k.

JIC....DROOOOOOOOL

i dont mind helping u out..i just have work at 5 so i can help u. i get out at 11 out of school so i can help till 5 or what not....
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are we going to take ur car on a test drive after we get all the suspention on and we are all drunk and what not..
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Old 01-08-2004, 11:16 AM   #19
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Just a note guys. The JIC has an adjustable lower lower section as well. So they say you can adjust ride height without affecting stroke. This is typically a good thing, just make sure you don't have so much stroke that your tires hit since you want to be really low. Also, you can adjust your roll center independently of ride height. This is a very nice feature, and very necessary on many cars. Probably be necessary on the Subaru as well since you want to be low. Actually I guess 2" isn't all that much since Sheehan told me at their first race they lowered theirs 6" all around.
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Old 01-08-2004, 03:56 PM   #20
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Spectre23,

I don't think it's possible to lower the car 6". Not sure what you are remembering. I believe at one time we had lowered the car about 3". After lots of experience, that is way too low for this car to me running.

We are currently using the DMS 50's and we run about 13.5" from hub center to fender lip. It looks fairly high, but it's right in the suspension's sweetspot.

If you don't care if your car handles like crap, lower away.

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Hmm, I could have sworn you said 6. But then while I was typing it, I was wondering how high the frame rail are off the ground stock. This was back a long time ago at the Vegas race your first year in the Subaru. I think it was even the first race for the WRX.
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Also, say you had plenty of travel and the correct roll center. Not saying it is possible to achieve both, but may be with the adjustable lower control arm connection. Why would lowering 3" or even 4" hurt the handling? With the DMS's I know by going low, your roll center dives below ground, but the with JIC's it wouldn't necessarily have to.
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Gary, out of curiosity, what are your dampening and rebound settings on the DMS? I just got a set of the 50's I know I am in a GC and you a GD, but I am still curious how stiff it is since you wouldn't let us drive it to lunch when you were last in SLC

DMS has a recommended "lowest" setting...and if you go beyond it they say it will handle like crapola....and if you drive while set lower than the low setting...it could damage the strut in the long run.

Edit.....also, how often are you rebuilding them? How many races are on them?

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So is anyone going to help me out then?
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Drew, I would have this weekend....but I have work 5am, internship 2pm and school 5pm on monday......I'll be worthless come 9pm which is when I'll get home.

Sorry bro!

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