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Old 01-08-2004, 08:50 AM   #1
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Question What's a good cheap 12-ga pump shotgun?

I'm looking for shotgun for defense against bears on arctic canoe trips. Most people use 12-ga pumps because they are fast and reliable. You can put rifled slugs in them and also rubber bullets and bangers to fire warning shots. I don't want anything fancy, just basic and reliable.

A local store recommends the Mossberg Maverick 88 8-shot Security model. It has a 20-in barrel (minimum length in DC), synthetic stock/forearm, and optional pistol grip. Price is around $200.

http://www.maverickarms.com/pages/88security.htm

Opinions on that model? Any other good options?
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Old 01-08-2004, 08:52 AM   #2
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Im no expert, but everyone I know who is tells me you cant go wrong with Mossberg.
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Old 01-08-2004, 08:54 AM   #3
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TaiChih has seen the Mossberg pump I bought. It cost me $209 total but my father has a gun license so it was probably cheaper then what it would have normally cost me.
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Old 01-08-2004, 08:57 AM   #4
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My shotgun is a Mossberg 590A1. Ghost rings and 9 round mag tube. 18 inch barrel I believe.

Mine below. Pics sucks....


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Old 01-08-2004, 09:03 AM   #5
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The Mossberg is ok, but if you spend a little more you can get a reliable Remington 870 with the deer barrel(non-rifled). I know from experience the the 870 is far supperior to anything Mossberg makes in that price range. -Charlie
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Old 01-08-2004, 09:07 AM   #6
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The Remington 870 is $350, though--almost double. What's so much better about it?

Keep in mind that this gun is really for emergencies only; I'll probably only fire it a few times a year for practice.
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Where did you get $350 from?????!!!! I think you can pick one up for around $275 if you look around a bit. Is your price for the rifled barrel?(mucho more $)
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Oh, nevermind on my gun. I didn't know you were only considering lower priced shotguns. I think mine was around $450 when I bought it a few years ago.
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It doesn't matter if your not firing it, if it's gonna be with you it will still be taking abuse......right!?! The 870 is just a better gun all around(quality, reliability, performance) Every gun jams at one time or another, but Mossbergs tend to jam a lot more then the 870. BTW, I have had most of my experience with the Mossberg 500 not the 88.
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That's more what I am concerned about--jamming.

The 350 was the msrp on the remington website: http://www.remington.com/firearms/shotguns/870expdr.htm

Rifled is 365; nonrifled is 332. I'd rather have rifled (more accurate, right?)
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You only need rifled if you are using sabot or standard slugs, like it says on the website. The standard barrel is fine for buckshot, regular shot shells, or rifled slugs. Buckshot is your best bet for home defense.
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I second the Remington 870 express.. I have one and love it. I've shot mossberg and had no problems with them either.
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Yes, it is more accurate. The only thing is that sabot slugs are more money, but if you won't be shooting it that often then it shouldn't be too much more expensive. If your only using it for defense, then accuracy shouldn't be too much of an issue. The "bear" will have to be charging you in order to shoot it right? That means the bear will be within...say 50 yards correct? The Sabots won't show there superiority till after 50 or so yards. The prices on Remingtons web-site are high, you can find good deals if you check around.

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You only need rifled if you are using sabot or standard slugs, like it says on the website. The standard barrel is fine for buckshot, regular shot shells, or rifled slugs. Buckshot is your best bet for home defense.
DON'T use rifled slugs in a rifled barrel!!!

edit: ok I get what you were saying.
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OK, this is confusing. The rifled barrel needs nonrifled slugs and the nonrifled barrel needs rifled slugs?

If "standard" slugs are the most common, do they require a rifled barrel or will they still work in a smooth barrel?
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I also need to fire bear deterrents--last 3 items on this page:

http://www.margosupplies.com/usa/pro...eterr.asp#4106
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I've had a Remington 870 for about the past 15 years. Never have I had ANY problems with it. A VERY RELIABLE gun.
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Rifled barrel: sabot or standard slugs only. Sabot slugs are more expensive.

Non-rifled barrel: you are able to use rifled slugs.

You can never use rifled slugs in a rifled barrel.

If it were me, I would get the non-rifled barrel and forget the slugs all together, I would use buckshot.
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There is no standard slug!

Rifled barrel= non-rifled slug(sabots)
non-rifled barrel= rifled slugs, buckshot, and bird shot.
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I also need to fire bear deterrents--last 3 items on this page:

http://www.margosupplies.com/usa/pro...eterr.asp#4106
Then go Non-rifled w/ rifled slugs!!!
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If your only using it for defense, then accuracy shouldn't be too much of an issue. The "bear" will have to be charging you in order to shoot it right? That means the bear will be within...say 50 yards correct? The Sabots won't show there superiority till after 50 or so yards.
True, we are talking close-range here. And I really am talking about bears, not home defense. We do a lot of arctic canoe trips and have seen plenty of bears. So far we have just taken pencil-launcher bangers and pepper spray ...
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If it were me, I would get the non-rifled barrel and forget the slugs all together, I would use buckshot.
Buckshot is useless on grizzly and polar bears; it just annoys them. Even the slugs only work if you hit the chest (ie collarbone, heart, or lungs)
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My bad, I assumed it was for home defense because I don't read closely enough. By all means please use slugs.

And I don't think I would be looking for a cheap shotgun if I was shooting at Grizzly Bears.
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The 870 only has a 4-shot mag, though, which is not enough. (need the warning banger and rubber slug before the real slugs) Is it possible to change it to 8?
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The 870 only has a 4-shot mag, though, which is not enough. (need the warning banger and rubber slug before the real slugs) Is it possible to change it to 8?
is that with or without the mag. tube plug? I could sweat I can stuff 4 in my 870, but it's a 20ga
but yes, they make extensions.
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