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Old 05-23-2000, 09:25 AM   #1
ChaosThom
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Question Neutral steering

OK Guys, maybe I'm a little strange, but I prefer neutral steering.

I don't want a lot of oversteer because with my driving style, I "torque" the tail around using a steering and lift combination.

My question is, with a 5-speed manual, will the 18mm bar eliminate the understeer without adding a lot of oversteer?

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Old 05-23-2000, 09:32 AM   #2
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Yes. I have the 18mm and the car will handle neutral. I have to push the accelerator a lot more than before to induce understeer. I did notice there was a bit of oversteer when I had to slow down while turning on loose dirt(road contruction mess). But if I was still accelerating, the oversteer would have still been controllable.

BTW, 18mm is perfect for our stock suspension. 20mm - you better practice and if someone else drives your car(spouse, roomie, sibling) you'd better warn them.



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Old 05-23-2000, 09:48 AM   #3
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My vote is go for the Whiteline adjustable bar. I've heard that 18mm wasn't enough, then agian I've heard that 20mm is too much. Personally I drive with mine set to 22mm all the time cause it suits my driving style. During autocrosses I can whip the tail around perfectly and come through corners in 4-wheel-drift mode. Though I've seen pictures of me around corners and my inside rear tire is several inches off the ground and from what I understand I pull it a good 3-4" off the ground at my peak. Leave it to the plastic-bag-sidewalled RE92's to compress that much.
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Old 05-23-2000, 01:05 PM   #4
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I have used a 20mm bar on stock suspension and noticed no ill effects on handling. Depending on how you enter a corner, you can still suffer terminal understeer.

Oversteer can be induced by a sudden decrease in throttle in mid-corner, or by applying the brakes in mid-corner. However, that can also happen with the stock bar.

Driving in the dirt, or rain with the 20mm has also presented no problems. Its all in your foot or hands. Drive within yourself and your machine and you will have no problems.

YMMV,

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Old 05-23-2000, 02:05 PM   #5
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I think the 20mm bar is actually more neutral. If you accelerate through a turn it will understeer, if you decelerate through a turn it will oversteer. If you are a really good driver you can get your speed and car attitude just right and drift the car around the turn beautifully (I'm not saying I can do this ). A stock powered RS doesn't have the guts to do power-on oversteer in the dry. In the wet it is a total blast.
I love my 20mm bar with the stock suspension. I've started to left foot brake in turns to get the car to rotate more quickly. Only on the race track of course.

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Old 05-24-2000, 05:14 AM   #6
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Thank you all very much for your comments. As I get more accustomed to the car, I'll figure out what will work best for me.
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Old 05-24-2000, 10:08 AM   #7
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I've heard that you do not want to run stock suspension if you go with the 20mm, too soft. Just my $.02
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Old 05-24-2000, 02:03 PM   #8
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Chaos, that is a very smart thing to do. We can try to tell you what our impressions are of our cars with various types of modifications, but it really comes down to you and your car. I probably would have bought the adjustable Whiteline sway bar if it had been out when I purchased my 20mm bar. About the same price, but adjustable to your needs/skills/desires.
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Old 05-24-2000, 03:19 PM   #9
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Is it only adjustable in 2mm incriments? Or can you set it for 19mm?
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