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Old 12-28-2004, 06:44 PM   #26
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I did 7 oil changes so far for every 3k miles on my 04 STI. I put 4.8 quart with filter change and it's been dead on "full" mark on the dip stick (as printed on the owner's manual to use 4.8 quart).

** I measure the dip stick after running the engine for 2 minutes and shut it off to cool off for a while (cleaning up the floor, drain the dirty oil to the container off to pepboys - nice test drive after oil change...etc)

I am not sure why SOA is recommending 5.1 quart?
^^ what he said. I get it right on the full mark with 4.8 quarts. Weirdness.
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Old 12-29-2004, 11:13 AM   #27
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Guys,

This is a known oddity with the STi. We've been discussing it over at Imprezawrxsti.com (IWS). Some people need to add 4.75qts to get to the 'F' mark on the dipstick. I only need to add 4qts. That's a huge difference.

We are measuring the NEXT morning after all the oil has settled to the pan.

What about when you guys check your dipstick early in the morning after the car has set all night? When I fill my crankcase with 4.25qts it registers 'F' on the dipstick. When I let it sit overnight it is about an inch past the 'F' mark.

We all need to decide on a standard for WHEN to check the level. Checking it the next morning will yield the best results with regard to being consistent between all of the cars and the different oil variants we may be running.

... also, I just wanted to say, change your own freaking oil

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Old 12-30-2004, 11:50 AM   #28
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I had my place add 4.2 qts on the money, and when they pulled the dip stick out, it read half between add and full, so they added another .5 qt, and it read dead on. Next morning I checked it, and it read about 1/8" past notch thats above the full hole. That was 2 weeks ago, I checked it today, after letting it cool for 3 hours and its almost to the twist on the dip stick.
Too weird for words.
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Old 12-30-2004, 11:52 PM   #29
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If you want it done right....do it yourself....or else stop b*tching.

PS: My statement is directed to everybody, not necessarily to any particular person.
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Old 01-03-2005, 01:21 AM   #30
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If you want it done right....do it yourself....or else stop b*tching.

PS: My statement is directed to everybody, not necessarily to any particular person.
That's not addressing the problem. It seems that "nobody" can get this issue straight, not the dealership, not SOA, not individuals.

So what is the maximum that the Subaru can take quart wise, and the minimum? Anywhere between those two could be labeled safe and give people some much needed piece of mind after an oil change.
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Old 01-03-2005, 02:44 PM   #31
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Do you think there would be someone at the dealership bright enough to understand the concept of 4.2 quarts out + 4.8 quarts in = overfilled ?

Measuring how much oil they put IN is a totally useless benchmark unless they also measure how much comes OUT. Not many people or shops do this -- the dipstick is there for a REASON. Different people will let the oil drain for different periods, so there can be no hard and fast rule about how oil will stay behind.

Sometimes at the shop I'll leave the STi sitting there dripping oil for an hour while I do other stuff. Needless to say, I leave behind much less used oil then a 10 minute in-and-out oil change shop would....

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Old 03-02-2005, 07:11 PM   #32
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Oh and by the way, my car did not take the full factory amount of oil to get to the correct level (I let it drain for a good 5-7mins also). I think I added around 4.5qts and it was perfect. I believe the documentation state 4.8 if I recall correctly. An inch over the top notch might only be an extra 1/3 of a qt or so.

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This may have been to do residual oil after draining. Maybe 4.8 is full capacity, and 4.5 is all you get on a drain.
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Old 03-02-2005, 09:25 PM   #33
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Ive never have had a problem with changing any subarus oil, SVXs, legacys, Outbacks, Ea82s, Ea81s. You never check the oil when the engine is warm or has just been shut off, becasue there is alot of oil that hasent drained into the oil pan to get a accurate reading. I usslay check the oil level once a week in the mourning after the car has been sitting for a good 8 hours or more, my SVX dosent use 1 drop of oil at 130,000 miles so i really dont even need to do that. I some times have to wipe the dip stick if i twist or dont pull it a lillte then let it go back down agian. I guess becasue the oil just gets on the dip stick tube. My advise is never check the oiul when the engine is warm, and just pull the dipstick out with out fiddling around with it. Also the reason why some of these people put in vastley diffrent amounts into the same engine, probley has to due to how long you have let the car sit for before you do it.
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Old 04-22-2005, 11:01 PM   #34
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Mr. Fumoto and I drain the old oil and then I refill carefully until full.
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Old 04-22-2005, 11:26 PM   #35
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Originally Posted by 02WRX_BLUE
I did 7 oil changes so far for every 3k miles on my 04 STI. I put 4.8 quart with filter change and it's been dead on "full" mark on the dip stick (as printed on the owner's manual to use 4.8 quart).

** I measure the dip stick after running the engine for 2 minutes and shut it off to cool off for a while (cleaning up the floor, drain the dirty oil to the container off to pepboys - nice test drive after oil change...etc)

I am not sure why SOA is recommending 5.1 quart?

Amen to that me too, no problems. Yea its a pain sometimes but keep wiping and checking. Don't understand the issue here? Yea the dealer overfilled it, then underfilled it. If you want it done right do it yourself bro. Not being sarcastic here but really, I wouldn't trust the folks in the garage even if it is a Subaru dealership. Its not like they are all ASE mechanics, you only need one of those in your shop to advertise that. The rest are just hired wrenchs...
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Old 12-26-2005, 02:05 PM   #36
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So what is it? 4.8qts or 5 or 5.1?

Just looking for clarification on this.

Thanks,

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Old 01-18-2006, 10:10 PM   #37
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Old 01-19-2006, 10:48 AM   #38
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Did oil change lat weekend. The amount drained was 4.3qts
I added about 4.5 qts and read between the F and low.

Ill need to check it again now that I know that 4.2 is incorrect.
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Old 01-19-2006, 02:01 PM   #39
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Dealers suck. Here's what I've seen dealers screw up on oil changes on my cars as well as friends/family:

1. overtightening drain plug stripping threads
2. overtightening oil filter causing leaks
3. undertightening oil filter causing leaks
4. spiling oil all over the top of the motor
5. overfilling/underfilling oil
6. oil change that was never actually done

Suffice to say, I do all my oil changes and service of any kind. I won't let a dealer touch my car unless it is a warranty concern.
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Old 01-19-2006, 03:23 PM   #40
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I've been using about 4 3/4 quarts to get right to the full line on a warm engine. I usually put about 4 1/2 in to start, turn the engine on (already warm itself) for a few minutes to warm the oil, then add to fill line.

I haven't paid someone else for an oil change in years. I do it myself and take my pan to Jiffylube down the street and they dispose of the used stuff for free.
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Old 03-26-2006, 12:48 PM   #41
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So what is it? 4.8qts or 5 or 5.1?

Just looking for clarification on this.

Thanks,

-Nigel
I don't know if this qualifies as clarification
or additional confusion,
but I think it's very interesting that

4.8 LITERS equals 5.1 QUARTS.
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Old 03-26-2006, 01:58 PM   #42
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I always overfill my oil, usually 1/2 to 3/4 a quart to much. I don't want any oil starvation issues on the track. And at high RPM's there isn't gonna be much in the sump the pump will be working so hard.
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Old 03-28-2006, 06:36 PM   #43
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If i where you i would be more po'd about the oil level being below the L. That is not good for the engine cuz if your on a hill and not moving sometimes if it is low enough the engine wont get ANY oil.
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Old 09-03-2007, 05:51 PM   #44
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Did anyone ever figure out the CORRECT number? I just put 4.8 qts in mine today but it seems too full.
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Old 09-03-2007, 06:25 PM   #45
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One thing for sure, the dipstick can be a bear to get a correct reading from. I have to ask, what is going on with getting an accurate reading from it? Here's my problem, after the car has sat all day on a level parking lot I'll pull the dipstick for the first time and it shows almost a half inch overfull, wipe it, insert it back in, count to thirty, check again, now it's 1/2 way between l&f, count to thirty and check again, 1/3rd from low. What gives? What is the correct reading? What is going on and why?

Have also noticed when adding 4.2 quarts at oil/filter change it usually reads low, generaly add another .5 quarts to get it close to f.
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Old 09-03-2007, 06:36 PM   #46
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I JUST changed my oil in the past hour with my first batch of German Castrol 0w30 in the car, and it seems to be very very full. I'm getting anywhere between just over the f and before the notch, to somewhere in the twist!! And it all depends on what the dip stick wants to read. I used around 4.75 to 4.8 quarts as was recommended here. I'm going to let the car cool for an hour and try again. This is just getting stupid.

EDIT: I also changed the filter with a PureOne 612 (the smaller blue one).
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Old 09-04-2007, 02:00 AM   #47
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this isnt rocket science. drain old oil and remove filter, install new filter and tighten drain plug. put 4qts in, run it for a minute, shut it off and recheck it. fill until the oil hits the full mark. check it on a level surface. if you check it on level ground under the same conditions (cold each time, 5 minutes after shut down, etc.) it will read the same every time. dont just pour 4.8 qts in every time, its easier to add then remove.
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Old 09-04-2007, 04:18 AM   #48
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There can still be some amounts of oil left in the engine no matter how long, short, cold, or hot you change your oil. One time mine used less, one time it used more. It just depends on the conditions and such.

I always try to jack up the car oppisite the drain plug direction of flow to get the maximum drain out.

Same with some and their tranny fluid some swear by the literage per Subaru some have thier own ideas. It just depends.

But yeah that's BS on the dealerships part. I'm going to school to work on cars and these guys aren't giving mechanics a good name
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Old 09-04-2007, 03:30 PM   #49
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So if it's not rocket science then why can't anyone figure out the RECOMMENDED amount of oil? Riddle me that bub.

After following the advice in this forum, which btw is referenced in Una's FAQ, I seem to have a pretty substantial overfill. So now I'm going to have to take off the guard, get back under there, and drain some damn oil. Awesome.
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Old 09-04-2007, 05:59 PM   #50
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So if it's not rocket science then why can't anyone figure out the RECOMMENDED amount of oil? Riddle me that bub.

After following the advice in this forum, which btw is referenced in Una's FAQ, I seem to have a pretty substantial overfill. So now I'm going to have to take off the guard, get back under there, and drain some damn oil. Awesome.
every car will be different, the factory spec is 4.8 qts but some will take more and some less. not all will drain the same, oil pan capacity will differ slightly, some bottles may be less full than others, thats why i say start out at 4 qts and fill it to the full mark on the dipstick. if your somewhat close either up or down, it will be fine.
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