Fastest Legacy among us?

[Wiscon_Mark]

Originally Posted by serious

brighton and probably a 2wd one at that.

Don't think so. Didn't they discontinue 2WD after 95? (it could be 96, i may be wrong). But yeah, the brighton is a pretty light, and fairly nice car

That still seems awfully light, so I guess they did make 2WD in 96.

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[PHATsuby]

Originally Posted by xcntrk75

That’s a serious swap, guess that’s why they call you serious

Seriously though I’d love to see some pics of your conversion.
You got a picture gallery or anything?

good luck, I have been asking for some for like going on a year now with no luck, I have not seen one pic, not even a build pic!!

come on brent you are killing us, its good to see you are still around though.

Ben

[PHATsuby]

Originally Posted by serious

The 6mt is basically the same size and weight of an auto tranny.

Ok, if you had auto originally also how can you say they weighed the same, there is no way in hell the 6mt was the same as the auto, everyone claimed this, and i pulled mine and the 6mt was WAY heavier than the auto was. I am not a strong person but in lifting comparison, the auto was lighter by far.

sorry, just had to comment on that part

Ben

[mranlet]

Originally Posted by PHATsuby

I am not a strong person but in lifting comparison, the auto was lighter by far.

Was it full of fluid?

[DamienX]

Originally Posted by xcntrk75

Alright DamienX and serious cough up some details cuz that's mighty fast...! especially at 5000 feet

I run a solid 13.7 @ 100mph with 256whp, and 12's into 11's should be +100/200 more hp then me... Let's hear some details...

It doesn't quite equate to 100 more hp than 256 for high 12's course who knows, i haven't had it dynoed yet. I guess Jon was running about 400 chp with a similar setup (automatic) in his legacy until he blew the headgasket. But with 256hp, you should be running faster than an sti. I'd be interested to hear what your 60' time was. anyway...here's some details but not all, gotta keep some secrets.

Garrett t3/t4 turbo
Custom Invidia Downpipe
3" catless TBE
Turbosmart external wastegate @ 18psi
wastegate external dump (extremely loud) cops love it
Spearco FMIC
550 cc Injectors
walbro fuel pump
Stage 1 cam regrind
MSD ignition
Iridium plugs 1 stage cooler
Later model Intake manifold
K&N cone filter
Apex'i S-afc II
Apex'i SITC
4.11 manual transmission (2.5RS)
exedy clutch
sti short throw shifter
Fidanza Flywheel
port and polished throttle body

no knock sensor
no a/c
no power steering
no abs
no fuel cut
no front bumper beam
airbag system pretty much removed

no speed govenor and I've pegged the gauge at 140mph many times, not in the 1/4 mile, but 5th gear pulls as hard as 3rd and 4th. There is a video i put on the net somewhere of it pulling from 20-60 in second gear. Before I worked out the fuel ratio's and Ignition timing. It's pretty crappy quality though. I wish i could have gotten a video of the cobra i was playing with on the interstate. It was pulling me but not by a lot. The car is kinda a PITA though and i'm getting sick of constantly fixing stuff. Right now the O2 sensor isn't working and the valve guide on the wastegate is warped so it likes to stick open.

[PHATsuby]

Originally Posted by mranlet

Was it full of fluid?

no, it was not, neither was, given the auto takes more fluid, but i dont think liquid weight could make up this difference. I could be wrong though.

Ben

[xcntrk75]

Originally Posted by DamienX

...I guess Jon was running about 400 chp with a similar setup (automatic) in his legacy until he blew the headgasket. But with 256hp, you should be running faster than an sti. I'd be interested to hear what your 60' time was.

That figure is wheel HP. If you add in the figure for drivetrain loss, generally estimated at 26% loss for AWD, then I should have an approximate 350chp. Then again, the 256whp was on an inertia based dyno (DynaPack) which is believed to read higher then say a load-bearing Mustang or similar, so who knows

Man that sounds like one hell of a system. What year Legacy is this and what short-block are you running? You must be really light to get it down into the 12’s.

As for me, my Legacy’s got a big ass and is still very heavy, or at least more so than a wrx so it’s hard to carry over comparable 1/4 mile times. My best so far is:

R/T: .065
60’: 1.93
1/4: 13.7
MPH: 98.8

That’s at 5,500 RPM launches and flat-foot shifting. The 60’ could be lower but I think the weight is holding it back at about 3,165lbs.

As for the SVT Cobra’s, I too had the opportunity to run three rolling starts (40-100mph) against a 99’-04’ model (in a closed course environment ). The first two runs I pulled a half car length before shutting down at 100mph and the third run was the reverse. The driver and passenger were shocked with each pull and probably went home and bought some more bolt-on’s after getting walked twice by a family sedan…

[MitchGT]

xcntrk - I'm guessing that that Cobra was a 99 or an 01. The '03s and '04s run high 12s out of the factory and 11s with Intake/Pulley/exhaust. Either way, still a nice eye-opener for the driver of the 'stang

[xcntrk75]

^^^ Must have been, I only spoke with the driver briefly and didn’t get the year or spec’s. It was the 99-04’ body style was my point.

[DamienX]

I have an EJ22T block in a 93 legacy SS. The 03 and 04 mustang cobras are pretty quick. I think they make somewhere around 390 hp. That's not too bad of a 60', but your probably right about the weight killing you. If you get ambitious, you might scrape up some of the sound deadening material.

[serious]

Loosing weight on a legacy is easy, or at least it was for me. They are really not that much bigger than the earlier GC imprezas which can be realllllly light. I choose to leave in the sound deading material as i hate noise. Lost just about everything else though.
I do however have a sunroof, power windows and locks. Those are the reason i buillt this car and something i didn't really want to live without. I know a guy that has a newer cobra with the basic mods making around 500 whp. Maybe i'll get ahold of him and see how mine stacks up.
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[PHATsuby]

do we get any pics though?

Ben

[mvstype]

Until we get pictures I call

MV

[DamienX]

Yeh, i still have my sound deadening material and power everything. Not something i wanted to live without. A lot of the stuff that holds the car together is temporary which is probably a big reason as to why im always fixing stuff. baling wire keeps the wastegate from hitting against the plug in the firewall where the a/c went. A n/a radiator replaced the turbo one when the coolant sensor went bad and the turbo radiator split. I also had involuntary weight reduction when my car was broken into and the original stereo system got stolen.

One of these day's i'll get around to fixing everything up nice. But right now i go to school full time and work full time so i'm fairly busy. Sry bout the crappy pics, the cam is an ebay special and i never figured out the date thing on it.

It's funny how people call bs.












Looks pretty stock on the outside doesn't it.

[xcntrk75]

You called the BS bluff...!

Looks sweet main... I especially like the external WG, which vented to the atmosphere must be super LOUD!

So why did you position the O2 so close to the turbo, are you pulling WB data?

[mvstype]

Originally Posted by xcntrk75

You called the BS bluff...!

Looks sweet main... I especially like the external WG, which vented to the atmosphere must be super LOUD!

So why did you position the O2 so close to the turbo, are you pulling WB data?

ok serious, where are the pictures?

MV

[DamienX]

There's actually two places for an o2 sensor, one is at the base of the downpipe and the other one you can see. It runs better where the exhaust is hotter. The O2 sensor tells the computer whether or not to add fuel based on temp. So if the exhaust cools down too much, it thinks there is too much fuel and not enough air, and if its hot, it reads too lean and adds fuel, I don't think it really matters with the s-afc unit tuning the fuel as long as the readings are consistent. I figured it was better closer to where the reading matters. 3" stainless steel lets the exhaust cool pretty quickly.

I think the best mod is the piece of electrical tape i usually keep over the turbo badge on the back. It catches a lot of people unaware.

[mvstype]

Originally Posted by serious

I would like to think that my 96 is probably one of the quickest in the country right now. Not the fastest as i'm sure somebody out there just isn't speaking up and has something very sick.

96 legacy LS with complete 03 jdm sti swap-avcs-twinscroll
6mt/R180 stuff
Full brembos (hey, if i can't be the quickest at least i'll stop the fastest right?!)
Full sti suspension
Weight reduction

Stock engine for now, so that should mean right at the 300hp mark. I haven't dynoed it yet, or ran it at the strip so i'm just talking.
B

quoted so we can compare to the pictures.

MV

[DamienX]

LoL. I thought you were calling BS on my 12 sec legacy. Here i took the time to go out and take pics and then resize them no less..

[PHATsuby]

Originally Posted by DamienX

There's actually two places for an o2 sensor, one is at the base of the downpipe and the other one you can see. It runs better where the exhaust is hotter. The O2 sensor tells the computer whether or not to add fuel based on temp. So if the exhaust cools down too much, it thinks there is too much fuel and not enough air, and if its hot, it reads too lean and adds fuel, I don't think it really matters with the s-afc unit tuning the fuel as long as the readings are consistent. I figured it was better closer to where the reading matters. 3" stainless steel lets the exhaust cool pretty quickly.

I think the best mod is the piece of electrical tape i usually keep over the turbo badge on the back. It catches a lot of people unaware.

actually, your 02 just measures oxygen content, and it keeps itself at a constant temp with a heater unit, your MAF is what compensates for air temp to add or take away fuel also using feedback from the 02 in closed loop. but I get what you are saying.

Ben

[serious]

Who said i was planning on providing pics?! I kinda like keeping people on the edge and wondering....

[flanders]

Originally Posted by DamienX

Here i took the time to go out and take pics and then resize them no less..

Almost 2 feet of snow on October 10! I am so glad to live snow free.

[PHATsuby]

Originally Posted by serious

Who said i was planning on providing pics?! I kinda like keeping people on the edge and wondering....

you did, you originally told me you were going to after you finished the swap.



Ben

[serious]

Technically not everything is done. I STill haven't put all the interior back in.
B

[mvstype]

Originally Posted by serious

Technically not everything is done. I STill haven't put all the interior back in.
B

You can't take pictures of the engine bay?

MV