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Old 01-14-2004, 01:31 AM   #1
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Default Just test drove JDM 2.0L new Legacy GT wagon and WRX STi in Tokyo, impression......

Just got back from Tokyo a few hours ago, I went there to attent the Tokyo Auto Salon 2004.

I went to a Subaru dealer 2 days ago, the salesman let me test drove the above mention 2 cars.

Impression:

WRX STi (regular car, not the spec C, limited....etc) .............steering wheel require more effort to turn, obviously less power assist. Brake pedal feel firmer, clutch padel is a litter heavier. Power feel quite a bit weaker then the USDM 2.5L turbo car. To put it without offending anyone, the USDM car feel strong, the JDM car doesn't feel strong, kinda like a Acura TL with 270hp, it is a decently quick car, but not exciting like the USDM car. The seats are not as much different as most people say they are, yes they definitely have more support, but just slightly more, in my opinion is not worth the money to change them......

Legacy GT wagon (2.0L turbo, 280 ps) It got quite a bit more low end torque then the JDM WRX STi, it is obvious it is tuned for low end power, it actually feels like it is quicker then the WRX just because the low end power is better. The low end power is ALMOST as good as the USDM 2.5L turbo. Power drop off at high rpm considerably. Very nice interior and very stylish exterior. Very comfy suspension, yet still firm. When I was in Tokyo, I was really wondering which one I rather drive (Legacy turbo or the WRX STi). But after I went out for a drive in the USDM WRX STi when I got home a few hours ago, the answer is pretty clear, the Impreza will always be sportier then the Legacy, no matter what mods you put on it........

NOTE: It is pretty amazing the salesman enthusiastically asked me if I want to test drive any cars after I made it very clear that I am an American tourist only staying in Tokyo for 1 week. There is ZERO chance that I would buy a car from him. He was still very happy to let me drive both of their fastest cars in their line up. Japan definitely have very different culture then the U.S.

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Old 01-14-2004, 09:42 AM   #2
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That's pretty sweet.
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Old 01-14-2004, 10:29 AM   #3
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you lucky bastard
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Old 01-14-2004, 10:34 AM   #4
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that sounds like fun. i havent even test droven a us spec sti. you got to drive both. cool.
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Old 01-14-2004, 10:37 AM   #5
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you lucky bastard

haha, that's what I was gonna say, you lucky son of a gun! You must drive a lot of fast cars if the 2.0 STi doesn't excite you. That is so cool that the salesman let you test drive those cars. I'm super jealous!
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Old 01-14-2004, 03:16 PM   #6
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So, do you have to have a license to test drive there or did you just b/s with the saleman?
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Old 01-14-2004, 03:35 PM   #7
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You can drive in Japan if you have an International Driver's License.
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Old 01-14-2004, 04:19 PM   #8
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So, do you have to have a license to test drive there or did you just b/s with the saleman?
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Yes you need a valid driver license to test drive there.

If you have a U.S. driver license, it is very easy and cheap to get an international driving permit.

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Old 01-14-2004, 04:49 PM   #9
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haha, that's what I was gonna say, you lucky son of a gun! You must drive a lot of fast cars if the 2.0 STi doesn't excite you. That is so cool that the salesman let you test drive those cars. I'm super jealous!
I wasn't bragging when I made that post, I just want to share what I found out.

Seems like you want to know, so here is some bragging:

Fast cars I have owned or currently own:

180 HP Celica GTS
360 HP R34 GTR
430 HP R34 GTR
300 HP GDB-C WRX STi

Fast cars I have driven:

560 HP R33 GTR
1000 HP Mustang LX
320 HP NA1 NSX
450 HP NA1 NSX supercharged
349 HP AMG C32
500 HP FD3S RX7
240 HP Honda Del Sol
440 HP 993 turbo
240 HP EK4 Civic hatchback
450 HP Supra MKIV
280 PS BP5 Legacy GT wagon
280 PS GDB-C WRX STi

Fast cars I got a ride in:

1000 HP R34 GTR
800 HP R34 GTR
550 HP R34 GTR
520 HP R34 GTR
450 HP R32 GTR
480 HP R32 GTR
480 HP NSX-R supercharged
450 HP F355
400 HP 360 Modena
520 HP Diablo SL
520 HP Diablo SV
350 HP E36 M3 supercharged
650 HP Supra MKIV

I think my standard for a car being fast and exciting is probably quite high.

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Old 01-14-2004, 06:01 PM   #10
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Yes Addict, that is quite a list! Do you still own the STi?
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Old 01-14-2004, 06:20 PM   #11
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Do you still own the STi?
Yes and loving it

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Old 01-15-2004, 10:06 AM   #12
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Fast cars I have owned or currently own:

180 HP Celica GTS
360 HP R34 GTR
430 HP R34 GTR
If you don't mind me asking, why did you sell the Nur? Someone made you an offer you couldn't refuse?
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Old 01-15-2004, 01:29 PM   #13
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If you don't mind me asking, why did you sell the Nur? Someone made you an offer you couldn't refuse?
Sure I don't mind.

There is a huge amount of hassle and frustration involved in owning a gray market vehicle.........sourcing parts (both OEM and aftermarket parts, take a few weeks to a few months to get), getting quality service on a car nobody knows about.....etc. Basically everything that the car needs takes a lot of effort to achieve.

It is the perfect car in my opinion and it is my dream car. But all the hassle and frustration get old really fast. Someone made me a good offer and I got rid of it.

No car in the world is worth going thru all that pain and suffering for.

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Old 01-16-2004, 12:43 PM   #14
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Sure I don't mind.

There is a huge amount of hassle and frustration involved in owning a gray market vehicle.........sourcing parts (both OEM and aftermarket parts, take a few weeks to a few months to get), getting quality service on a car nobody knows about.....etc. Basically everything that the car needs takes a lot of effort to achieve.

It is the perfect car in my opinion and it is my dream car. But all the hassle and frustration get old really fast. Someone made me a good offer and I got rid of it.

No car in the world is worth going thru all that pain and suffering for.

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I see, I guess it would be a huge PITA to have to wait months just to get a part or something. I love the R34, but alas I don't have the financial means to purchase one. Guess I'll have to settle for my STi for now until the net GT-R in 2007. Hopefully I will be able to buy one then. I'm not sure how modded your STi is, but how would you rate it compared to your GT-Rs?
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Old 01-16-2004, 03:48 PM   #15
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I see, I guess it would be a huge PITA to have to wait months just to get a part or something.
Oh yeah trust me, it sucks! Imagine a little sensor broke (air flow meter, crank angle sensor....etc), you go order one, it takes a few weeks to a month to get it if you are lucky. If you are unlucky and the wrong part comes in, then you have to wait again. And depend on the vendor, for some the part is non returnable since it is special order, so even though is not your fault, you stuck with a $500 sensor that you can't use. And since there are so few GTR here, it is likely you can't sell the part that you can't use either.

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I love the R34, but alas I don't have the financial means to purchase one. Guess I'll have to settle for my STi for now until the next GT-R in 2007. Hopefully I will be able to buy one then.
Trust me, you don't want a gray market GTR in the U.S. You are not missing anything. I am talking from experience here. I bought 2 R34 GTRs and gave them up both for the above reason. I am doing the same thing as you, I am going to play with the STi until the next GTR comes out in 2007, and get back into a GTR again.

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I'm not sure how modded your STi is, but how would you rate it compared to your GT-Rs?
My STi is all stock right now, except for a cat. back exhaust and a few little things. I do manage to take 85 lbs off the car though, so it does drive a little better then stock. To rate it against the GTR.........put the image and exclusivity aside, rate them solely on performance. Stock R34 GTR to stock WRX STi. I say the USDM WRX STi have 80% of the performance of the R34 GTR. Even though they have similar layout.....4WD, front engine, turbocharged....etc. But they do drive quite different. My GTR was the Nur spec, so it got the N1 turbos, which makes the car quite laggy. The WRX definitely have quite a bit more low end power, the WRX gets up and goes with no turbo lag, which I really love, but obviously it doesn't have the high end power the GTR have. My GTR have 100 more peak HP at the wheel then my WRX. For the GTR, it is laggy before the boost come on, but when the boost hit, it pulls a good amount harding then the WRX. Handling wise, the GTR have a much stiffer chassis, it feels REALLY stable, while the WRX jump around a bit. The GTR have better turn in and is more responsive because its steering ratio is lower (faster), the GTR behave much more like a RWD car because of its 4WD system set up, it is quite tail happy. Ride comfort wise, they are about the same, suspension are both stiff. The GTR is quite a bit quieter inside though, feels like a luxury car, almost like a Lexus.

The biggest different between the 2 cars is the power potential when you start modding them. With similar mods level, the GTR will put out 500 whp while the WRX would only have 350 whp, and with enough money put into it, you can have a reliable, civilize, daily driven GTR with 600~700 whp. While I think the WRX max out at about 400 whp.

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Old 01-17-2004, 07:53 PM   #16
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Do you happen to recall if the Legacy was a regular GT or the Spec B? I'm assuming that it was a manual to make a better comparison.
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Old 01-17-2004, 10:18 PM   #17
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How was teh handling of the two cars? Or wa sthe city too crowded to pull some nice high G turns?
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Old 01-18-2004, 07:28 AM   #18
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Just got back from Tokyo a few hours ago, I went there to attent the Tokyo Auto Salon 2004.

I went to a Subaru dealer 2 days ago, the salesman let me test drove the above mention 2 cars.

Impression:

WRX STi (regular car, not the spec C, limited....etc) .............steering wheel require more effort to turn, obviously less power assist. Brake pedal feel firmer, clutch padel is a litter heavier. Power feel quite a bit weaker then the USDM 2.5L turbo car. To put it without offending anyone, the USDM car feel strong, the JDM car doesn't feel strong, kinda like a Acura TL with 270hp, it is a decently quick car, but not exciting like the USDM car. The seats are not as much different as most people say they are, yes they definitely have more support, but just slightly more, in my opinion is not worth the money to change them......

Legacy GT wagon (2.0L turbo, 280 ps) It got quite a bit more low end torque then the JDM WRX STi, it is obvious it is tuned for low end power, it actually feels like it is quicker then the WRX just because the low end power is better. The low end power is ALMOST as good as the USDM 2.5L turbo. Power drop off at high rpm considerably. Very nice interior and very stylish exterior. Very comfy suspension, yet still firm. When I was in Tokyo, I was really wondering which one I rather drive (Legacy turbo or the WRX STi). But after I went out for a drive in the USDM WRX STi when I got home a few hours ago, the answer is pretty clear, the Impreza will always be sportier then the Legacy, no matter what mods you put on it........

NOTE: It is pretty amazing the salesman enthusiastically asked me if I want to test drive any cars after I made it very clear that I am an American tourist only staying in Tokyo for 1 week. There is ZERO chance that I would buy a car from him. He was still very happy to let me drive both of their fastest cars in their line up. Japan definitely have very different culture then the U.S.

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I have not ridden in a USDM 2.5 Turbo STi yet. My only concern is the fact the Reg 2.0 JDM STi post faster times in the 1/4 than its USDM 2.5L counter part. Either way good cars.
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Old 01-18-2004, 07:41 AM   #19
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heh, your post reminded me of the first time i drove a car in japan... I immediatly drove on the wrong side of the street. I also had a little trouble turning onto a street. Then my cousin took me to a Nissan Dealership to look for the R34 but to my discontent that was the year they did the model change and got rid of the GTR so i had to settle for the G35. Cant wait to go back to Japan though, probably this summer. This time i'm gonna go for the international permit!
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Old 01-18-2004, 08:06 AM   #20
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I have not ridden in a USDM 2.5 Turbo STi yet. My only concern is the fact the Reg 2.0 JDM STi post faster times in the 1/4 than its USDM 2.5L counter part. Either way good cars.
Doesn't the JDM STi have a 4.44 final drive and short gearing in 5th then the US spec one?
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Old 01-18-2004, 08:09 AM   #21
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heh, your post reminded me of the first time i drove a car in japan... I immediatly drove on the wrong side of the street. I also had a little trouble turning onto a street. Then my cousin took me to a Nissan Dealership to look for the R34 but to my discontent that was the year they did the model change and got rid of the GTR so i had to settle for the G35. Cant wait to go back to Japan though, probably this summer. This time i'm gonna go for the international permit!
I know the feeling...however it is the opposite for me. I drove 5 years in Japan. On occasion I still go the right door of the car. I also want to drive on the left side of the road at time.

I'm probably going to go back to Japan someday, just don't know when...
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Old 01-18-2004, 09:17 AM   #22
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Doesn't the JDM STi have a 4.44 final drive and short gearing in 5th then the US spec one?
I would assume so because speeds in Japan are considerably lower than in the States.
Posted TQ for the car is in the ball park of 274!!!
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I would assume so because speeds in Japan are considerably lower than in the States.
Posted TQ for the car is in the ball park of 274!!!
There are several reasons why the US spec STi is slower in the quarter mile than the Japanese 2.0 STi. Probably the two biggest reasons is that our cars are slightly heavier (by at most 100 pounds; US-spec cars get a thicker bumper beam, hence the ugly pencil foglights on the 04; the ej257, while not much, is still heavier by like 50+ pounds; given the 100 pound difference, it's reasonable we're 0.3 to 0.5 seconds off in the quarter mile) and the J-spec 6 speed has closer ratios than the US spec and uses a 4.44 final drive (I could be wrong on the 4.44 part).

What I want as an answer from SOA is why give all these weight cutting features (thinner glass, thinner sheet metal roof, a lot of the Spec C goodies), yet give it a suspension setup meant for understeer.
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Dunno the JDM versions have some understeer as well. Suspension mods are definately a good thing for the Rex!!
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Just got back from Tokyo a few hours ago, I went there to attent the Tokyo Auto Salon 2004.

I went to a Subaru dealer 2 days ago, the salesman let me test drove the above mention 2 cars.

Impression:

WRX STi (regular car, not the spec C, limited....etc) .............steering wheel require more effort to turn, obviously less power assist. Brake pedal feel firmer, clutch padel is a litter heavier. Power feel quite a bit weaker then the USDM 2.5L turbo car. To put it without offending anyone, the USDM car feel strong, the JDM car doesn't feel strong, kinda like a Acura TL with 270hp, it is a decently quick car, but not exciting like the USDM car. The seats are not as much different as most people say they are, yes they definitely have more support, but just slightly more, in my opinion is not worth the money to change them......

Legacy GT wagon (2.0L turbo, 280 ps) It got quite a bit more low end torque then the JDM WRX STi, it is obvious it is tuned for low end power, it actually feels like it is quicker then the WRX just because the low end power is better. The low end power is ALMOST as good as the USDM 2.5L turbo. Power drop off at high rpm considerably. Very nice interior and very stylish exterior. Very comfy suspension, yet still firm. When I was in Tokyo, I was really wondering which one I rather drive (Legacy turbo or the WRX STi). But after I went out for a drive in the USDM WRX STi when I got home a few hours ago, the answer is pretty clear, the Impreza will always be sportier then the Legacy, no matter what mods you put on it........

NOTE: It is pretty amazing the salesman enthusiastically asked me if I want to test drive any cars after I made it very clear that I am an American tourist only staying in Tokyo for 1 week. There is ZERO chance that I would buy a car from him. He was still very happy to let me drive both of their fastest cars in their line up. Japan definitely have very different culture then the U.S.

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lol no offense, but it seems like u picked up on some of their language also, god i had a tough time reading some of this
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