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Old 01-16-2004, 01:52 AM   #1
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Has anyone installed this kit on a 2000-up Legacy GT?? I have some questions about the Link Engine Management system. (mainly, why doesn't it work??)
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Old 01-16-2004, 08:07 PM   #2
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I, too, am interested in any feedback on this kit. It seems like one of the few complete kits on the market. Did you install one on yours?
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Old 01-17-2004, 12:20 AM   #3
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this is a huge area. You need to do some research on JoeT, Subidude, me and take a look. This is not a simple question you guy are asking.
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Old 01-17-2004, 05:42 AM   #4
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Yeah, I installed one on my car but it runs so rich I can't even rev it. I potentially have the wrong map or the ECM may be faulty.
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Old 01-18-2004, 02:42 AM   #5
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Does anyone have a diagram of the ignition wiring?? From the coils to the ECU??
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Old 01-18-2004, 09:06 AM   #6
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Does anyone have a diagram of the ignition wiring?? From the coils to the ECU??
PM me with your email address, I'll send you the wiring diagram for your car.

Hope this helps.
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Old 01-19-2004, 01:10 AM   #7
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JoeT- thanks man, I sent you a PM.

It turns out the ECM is only firing one of the ignition coils. I am still trying to trace everything. If everything checks out it would mean I have a faulty LINK sys.
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Old 01-19-2004, 07:56 AM   #8
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Hope you get it worked out. Your car should be fairly quick with that displacement and a touch of AVO boost magic

Best of luck.
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Old 01-19-2004, 08:58 AM   #9
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FYI, Subaru is also doing its own 2.5l turbo kit...it's called the 2005 Legacy GT.

Sorry...

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Old 01-19-2004, 09:48 AM   #10
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FYI, Subaru is also doing its own 2.5l turbo kit...it's called the 2005 Legacy GT.
Yep, and I got one on order!
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Old 01-19-2004, 01:31 PM   #11
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Yep, and I got one on order!
allready? damn....

I'm waitin till they release price for it..
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Old 01-19-2004, 02:33 PM   #12
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FYI, Subaru is also doing its own 2.5l turbo kit...it's called the 2005 Legacy GT.

Sorry...

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yeah, but i'm still holding hope for the legacy STi in '06.....gotta go with what I got for now
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Old 01-19-2004, 04:07 PM   #13
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Hey 2000LegacySti

I sent you the wiring diagrams.. Did you get them?

Thanks
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Old 01-19-2004, 04:23 PM   #14
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allready? damn....

I'm waitin till they release price for it..
They've had my $$$ for 10 months now, ever since the JDM version was announced.
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Old 01-20-2004, 04:49 AM   #15
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JoeT- thanks man, I got them. We should in fact have similar vehicles when I get my tuning done. I'll keep you posted. Thanks again for the documents, that's all I needed. I also read your thread in the link you sent me. I wish the Link were not included in this kit, because you seem to have a remarkable ECM in your car. But with the PC software I should be able to do some quality hi-res tuning.

Thanks again
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Old 01-20-2004, 02:50 PM   #16
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2000legacySti is your car a manual or auto? obviously you solved the problem but i was confused cause i thought the manual BE's had the wrx trigger info that couldnt be used with the link plus.

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Old 01-20-2004, 03:40 PM   #17
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PHATsuby, my car is a manual BE. Are you talking about the ignition triggers?? That would explain why I've had to do so much work because the map that came with it was for the 2.5RS. I had to switch IGN 1 & 2 and dial the master fuel down almost half what it came set with. Right now my stock ECU is controlling the ignition while I diagnose the rest of the system. I seem to have the LEMV2. Now there is the LEMV4 and the LinkPlus. So far it seems compatible, but if not I will definately be having a word with the guys that sold it to me saying "there will be no problem, it will work the same with any 2.5 motor." It won't be a big deal if I don't run into any more problems and can successfully tune the damn thing.

Keep it coming,
Thanks again...
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Old 01-20-2004, 06:13 PM   #18
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well if Joe thinks it will work then im sure it will, but i thought, from what Joe and I have found out, the 2000+ manual equipped legacies have the wrx type trigger sprockets, high resolution crank, cant recall the number of cam teeth, but different than the RS. Joe ran into this first hand, but maybe he found out new info since then, i actually would have been able to use the Link plus cause i have the old but unusual teeth pattern, which is the 6 position crank and 7 position cam. this is because i have an automatic and not a manual and they kept the older RS configuration for the auto for some reason.

if you can, i would go out to your car and count the teeth on the cam sprocket and that should give you an idea of what you have. my memory is fading already which is terrible but i think joe was saying some of the earlier ones in 2k may have had the old trigger setup compatible with the Link plus but then it was changed, but im not sure. hopefully he will chime in. But yea if those are off its gonna be hard to get your car running correctly.

is there an rpm reading on the link plus layout? if you are getting a correct rpm reading then your crank sensor info should be ok.

this is a plug and play unit correct?

Joe can help a lot more than i can but just trying to give ideas anyways.

good luck!

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Old 01-21-2004, 12:09 AM   #19
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I appreciate the ideas... I will check the RPM reading tomorrow and try to find out some more info. I bought my car in April of 2000 so I don't know if it uses the old or new style.

Also, this is a wire-in system, not plug-in.

Anymore info you guys have would be awesome. I am still learning some of the more intricate details of engine tuning, but my tuner is excellent and I will be directing these ideas and comments to him as well.

Thanks again guys,

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Old 01-21-2004, 02:57 AM   #20
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double check your wiring first but as far as i know the Link Plus will not work on the manual BE's. i really wish Joe would chime in here, probably will and make me look like an idiot

but if you do a search for my name i think it may have been a post by Solomon, that i told him the link plus will not work and someone tried to tell me it will work fine as well.

luckily i was able to deal with either case because i have the Autronic ecu, i couldnt get my car running for 3 weeks and i was pissed(because we assumed i had the same trigger wheels as Joe did in his manual) but i changed this one value and it started right up which meant i had the old style strange tooth offset crank sprocket(which was common on the older subies)

if you have AIM or something maybe i could talk to you more if you want and try and help as much as i can.

good luck

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Old 01-21-2004, 05:46 PM   #21
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Hey Joe,

I sent Rev-Labs an email. Do you remember how much those adaptors were?? Also, how much HP would you be able to run with 565cc injectors?? 750cc?? If you had the 565cc injectors, would a RRFPR still be neccessary? So you found that the Supra TT fuel pump works better than the Walbro? And I'm STILL working on this damn ECU. Sorry about all the questions.

Thanks again

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Old 01-21-2004, 09:26 PM   #22
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PHATsuby, PM'ed you with my screenname. So tell me about your ECU (JoeT, you too). Would you recommend the Autronic before the UTEC or anything else?? I read the comparison for the Autronic and the LINK and there were some very major differences. Also, I know you two were talking about what was required for the Autronic in JoeT's original thread, but just to confirm so I don't have any more problems if I go this route, What is ANYTHING and EVERYTHING I need to use the Autronic system. Is there anythign I need to watch out for or be aware of??

Thanks guys
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Old 01-22-2004, 12:09 AM   #23
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Hey Joe,

I sent Rev-Labs an email. Do you remember how much those adaptors were?? Also, how much HP would you be able to run with 565cc injectors?? 750cc?? If you had the 565cc injectors, would a RRFPR still be neccessary? So you found that the Supra TT fuel pump works better than the Walbro? And I'm STILL working on this damn ECU. Sorry about all the questions.

Thanks again

Sam
Hi Sam,

Before you go all gung ho about HP, decide what you want out of your car. If you want a pure drag racing car, then you'll need full internals or an STI Short Block assy before even considering upgrading to massive injectors.

Anyways, the adapter are not available from Rev-Lab. You can get them from http://www.japanese-auto.com talk to Yoshio directly and he'll get a set for you. This will let you use the WRX Injectors or the STI Upgrade.

The wonderful thing about the Autronic is that it lets you use any injector (Hi or Low) Impedance. It's just a software change.

With the stuff I have on my car, I get 170 Lbs ft of torque at the wheels at 1900 rpm and it builds to 269 Lbs ft of torque. This is using stock WRX injectors and all the items in the list in the thread I sent to you in the PM.

If you're considering building up a "Frankenstein" then don't even consider the UTEC, the full engine management systems let you do closed loop operations or open loop, so no problem. The most important thing is to get the timing maps and fuel maps done by a pro. PhatSuby rented the Wideband system and ran the Autotune for the Autronic, but it was only good for the areas where he could drive in, all the ranges for the High Load areas had to be extrapolated. In his setup there's more power to be had, and as soon as he can get to a reputable tuner the better off he'll be.

Keep posting here, for your questions, and I'll do my best to help you out.. Ben (PHATSuby) will also.

Hope this helps.
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Old 01-22-2004, 01:29 AM   #24
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Joe,

Thanks for the info. I don't want a pure drag car. I was unsure what the capabilities of injectors with varying flow was. I was told by someone that you need about 550cc to flow enough fuel for 350hp (crank). You had 260whp a 7psi, who knows what you have at 10psi or so. I think I am going to go with the STi 565cc injectors if I can get them for a good price. I spoke to Yoshio today. I'm going to call him tomorrow about the adapters.

Thankfully, I do have a pro tuner and he's going to take care of me.

Any suggestions please let me know.

Thanks again,

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Old 01-24-2004, 05:56 PM   #25
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