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Old 01-21-2004, 07:27 PM   #1
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Default Cameraheads: Nikon D70 specs are out

Looks like it can give the Canon Rebel 300D a run for its money.. only $999 too.

http://www.bythom.com/d70.htm



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6.1mp CCD (3008 x 2000 Large, 2240x1448 Medium, 1504x1000 Small sizes), 12-bit in NEF.
ISO 200 to 1600, Auto.
30 second to 1/8000 shutter, combined electronic/mechanical, so flash sync is 1/500!
1005-pixel Color CCD Matrix meter.
1.8" color LCD.
Auto rotation of images (while viewing, too).
20 frame buffer, 3 fps.
5-sensor CAM900 AF module.
M, A, S, P exposure modes, plus 7 scene modes (Auto, Portrait, Landscape, Close-up, Sports, Night Portrait, Night Landscape).
I-TTL support (up to three wireless groups, flash value lock, ala D2h).
N80-like On Demand gridlines in viewfinder.
25 Custom Settings (not listed).
PICT-Bridge, EXIF 2.21, DPOF Support.
18mm eyepoint (-1.6 to +5 diopter adjust), 95% frame coverage at .75x magnification.
Exposure compensation and ISO setting in 1/3 stop (or 1/2 stop).
Image enhancement settings: Normal, Vivid, Sharp, Soft, Direct Print, Landscape, and Custom (controls sharpening, contrast, tone, color, saturation, and hue, available in P, S, A, and M exposure modes).
Capture 4.1 (optional, see below).
It doesn't have a threaded shutter release.
It has front and back command dials.
It has the N75 style autofocus mode switch on the front.
It has the N75 DOF button on the front, close to the lens mount at the bottom.
The body design is a bit taller than the N75 and uses a cross of D100 and D2h styling.
It's an all-black body design.
USB, though it isn't specified whether 1.1 or 2.0.
The external connections appear to be under a rubber side cover ala the D100.
EN-EL3 lithium ion battery (or use CR2 batteries).
No PC Sync terminal (requires AS-14).
ML-L3 Infrared Remote control (no 10-pin connector).
Metering mode button is behind shutter release
A new consumer-oriented DX lens will accompany the actual product launch.
US$999 street price without lens. Euro1100 without lens.
Does not meter with AI and AI-S lenses.
1.5x angle of view change, ala other Nikon DSLRs.
Weight is 595g without battery (~21 ounces).
Since many are interested in the controls, here's what I see:

AE-L, AF-L button.
Autofocus sensor pad plus AF pad lock.
Delete (trashcan) button.
Playback button
Menu button
Sensitivity/Thumbnail button
White Balance/Protect/Help button
Image Quality/Size/Playback button
Flash exposure compensation button is the flash release button!
Other:

An 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G DX AF-S ID-EF lens will appear with the D70, with a street price for the lens of perhaps US$500 or less.
SB-600 Speedlight.
Coolwalker Digital Photo Storage Viewer (digital wallet type device)!
Capture 4.1 adds:

D70 support.
Multi-image window (images from multiple folders).
Color moire reduction.
Faster.
Plug-in Filter support!
Direct JPEG to NEF conversion.
Option to save individual parameter in instruction set.
LCH eitor and Chroma booster.
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Old 01-21-2004, 07:52 PM   #2
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Yeah, that'll be great for... next Christmas. Chumps.
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Old 01-21-2004, 08:05 PM   #3
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So basically how does this compare with their other 6.1MP offerings?
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Old 01-21-2004, 10:10 PM   #4
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I'm sorry but nikon just needs to get it's butt in gear and step up to the plate. The specs on the camera STILL dont match up to the Drebel.

Canon 10D AND Drebel are a 6.5 (total) mp camera and still even offers more at 6.3 than the D70, pfft. 6.1 pulease.

Iso 200 to 1600?? Canon still offers more at iso 100 - 3200 again.

Sigh, I could get into it but I wont, Nikon isn't worth my time
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Old 01-21-2004, 10:50 PM   #5
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Once you buy your lenses, your either locked into Cannon or Nikon.
One thing they left out in the specs is the dimenisons the CCD. Very Important.
If its the same size as a 35mm, I'll buy it.
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Old 01-21-2004, 11:08 PM   #6
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Once you buy your lenses, your either locked into Cannon or Nikon.
One thing they left out in the specs is the dimenisons the CCD. Very Important.
If its the same size as a 35mm, I'll buy it.
I highly highly doubt it is, canon dosn't offer a full sized ccd untill you get up into the 1d or 1ds, and you'll spend $$$$ on those.

Nikon dosn't offer any kind of competition, Canon has it so easy....

Kodak just released a 14.2 mp camera too...
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Old 01-21-2004, 11:15 PM   #7
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Iso 200 to 1600?? Canon still offers more at iso 100 - 3200 again.
DRebel only goes up to 1600.
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Old 01-21-2004, 11:19 PM   #8
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DRebel only goes up to 1600.
Uh, it should go up to 'H' which is 3200 on the P setting.

Don't make me n00b ya
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Old 01-21-2004, 11:20 PM   #9
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I highly highly doubt it is, canon dosn't offer a full sized ccd untill you get up into the 1d or 1ds, and you'll spend $$$$ on those.

Nikon dosn't offer any kind of competition, Canon has it so easy....

Kodak just released a 14.2 mp camera too...
I bet your right. But they are comming out with new CCDs all the time. I wanna go digital but I can't stand these small size CCDs. And of course I can't afford the $$$$ for a D1s. However at the rate the prices fall, in year or two, it'll be $2000.
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Old 01-21-2004, 11:20 PM   #10
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i keep thinking this thread says camelheads


thats all i got
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Old 01-22-2004, 12:08 AM   #11
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Uh, it should go up to 'H' which is 3200 on the P setting.

Don't make me n00b ya
Nope. Mine only seems to go to 1600.
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Old 01-22-2004, 12:10 AM   #12
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Nope. Mine only seems to go to 1600.

Go into the menu and turn on iso expansion
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Old 01-22-2004, 12:16 AM   #13
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Go into the menu and turn on iso expansion
Are you sure that exists on the DRebel? I don't see it in the menu, and it's not in the user's manual.
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Old 01-22-2004, 12:21 AM   #14
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Okay then my bad maybe. I haven't actually physiclly looked at the Drebel, and I don't know what all the 10D has that the Drebel dosn't. I'm surprised it dosn't offer 3200...
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Okay then my bad maybe. I haven't actually physiclly looked at the Drebel, and I don't know what all the 10D has that the Drebel dosn't. I'm surprised it dosn't offer 3200...
Well, they can't offer the same option set as the D10, otherwise they'd compete with their own product line too much. It has the capability to do 3200, but it's simply disabled in the software. That's marketing for you.
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Old 01-22-2004, 07:40 AM   #16
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Has anyone hacked the Rebel yet to enable all the D10 stuff?
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Old 01-22-2004, 08:59 AM   #17
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Okay then my bad maybe. I haven't actually physiclly looked at the Drebel, and I don't know what all the 10D has that the Drebel dosn't. I'm surprised it dosn't offer 3200...
Yeah, this is the reason I will most likely be upgrading to the 10D's replacement when it's released. Supposedly you can kludge around with RAW to get 3200 equivalency, but it's more trouble than I have time to work with.

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Has anyone hacked the Rebel yet to enable all the D10 stuff?
There was a lot of big talk when it first came out, but the simple answer is "no". There are some programs that can enable some features, but nothing that really "unlocks" the 10D features. The one thing that you can enable via external software is FEC.
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Old 01-22-2004, 09:26 AM   #18
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The ISO 200-1600 limit on the D70 is funny. I was just thinking the other day that it would be great if the DR could go down to 50. In bright sunlight with my 50MM f/1.4 I sometimes can't shoot wide open (one of the reasons I'm thinking of getting an 85MM for outside work that needs narrow DoF). Granted, the D70 can shoot at 1/8000 sec while the DR can only go to 1/4000.

One thing I'll say for the D70, at least it has a frickin' AF assist light.
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Old 01-22-2004, 09:31 AM   #19
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Originally posted by teknisa
I'm sorry but nikon just needs to get it's butt in gear and step up to the plate. The specs on the camera STILL dont match up to the Drebel.

Canon 10D AND Drebel are a 6.5 (total) mp camera and still even offers more at 6.3 than the D70, pfft. 6.1 pulease.

Iso 200 to 1600?? Canon still offers more at iso 100 - 3200 again.

Sigh, I could get into it but I wont, Nikon isn't worth my time
First of all, I'm a Canon guy (with a 300D). Second of all, this camera offers quite a few things the 300D doesn't. The .2 MP is pretty much irrelevant. It however does have FEC, selectable metering modes, a black body (many camera snobs prefer this, I couldn't care less), and two command dials. There is probably more I'm forgetting, but this camera is nothing to scoff at.

Its drawbacks are of course that I already have Canon lenses (got my 100-400 L IS last week!! woooo!) and that it isn't out yet, but people who end up with this will be quite happy.
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Yeah, not sure if Teknisa knows this or not... but one of the ****ty things about the DR (again, another reason I'll be getting rid of this) is that auto-focus is pretty much locked in AI servo mode, for all intents and purposes... So, it can sometimes be difficult to use your center focus point to focus on an object, re-compose, and shoot the shot. I have quite a few photos where I've tried doing this, and I end up focused on the back wall. It's particularly annoying when doing arm's length shots. The obvious work around is to change the focus point in the camera, but when shooting bands it isn't always practical.

It also means that the advantage of the clutched focus rings on better lenses becomes essentially useless. If you AF, then adjust on the lens, the camera will re-focus for you, since you're obviously a retard and didn't really want to adjust your focus.
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Old 01-22-2004, 09:43 AM   #21
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uh oh.

Canon v. Nikon fight!

I got my money on Teknisa - she's small, but she's scrappy!
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Keep in mind that these specs came from a site that no longer displays them, since they are most likely inaccurate...

Here's what that page says now...

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Earlier today I received an email that contained a near-final PDF brochure on the D70. The origin of this email was originally from a Nikon address according to the header, an address that I'll decline to reveal, as one of the tenents of a free press is that reporters don't reveal sources. Actually, since I deleted the email shortly after printing the PDF and reading it thoroughly, and since my system is very aggressive about removing deleted data and writing over deleted files, at this point I couldn't reveal the source if I wanted to. Later in the day I got a second email from another source that had pictures of the D70. These were different pictures than the ones in the brochure, and they matched button by button, item by item. Because this information came to me unsolicited, I am not under NDA with Nikon, and this is a news site as well as a review site, I passed the information on.

After this information had been posted for a few hours, I received an email from my former employer saying an urgent fax had come in from Nikon; about the same time I received an urgent email from a Nikon spokesperson. Both asked me to contact them immediately. I did.

They requested that I take the information off this page. I told them I would do so only if they gave me an official reason and an on-the-record quote. Here is the quote, from Nikon Media Relations: "Some of the information posted on your site may be inaccurate, and we are requesting that you remove this information." Make of that what you will. I read that quote back twice to Nikon and asked them to approve it. That's what they wanted to say.

Since I make my living describing Nikon equipment, reviewing it, and teaching how to use it, I don't see much point in aggravating Nikon. I did point out that asking me to remove the information could potentially be as embarassing as having it out there, but they reiterated that they'd prefer to have it removed. So I have removed it. By Lincoln's birthday, I suspect we'll know whether it was accurate or not.
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well that sucks that the AF is stuck on AI servo mode .... even the rebel 2000 didnt have that.....

I seriously won't give nikon my time. Even though .1 or .2 mp dont really have a diff to the comsumer, it just goes to show that in a competition 'race' i guess you could call it between 2 of the largest camera manufateres that there really is not competition at all...i'm waiting for the day that nikon will just out do canon and give us a camera to get a hard on for.
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Most Canon DSLR sensors are 1.6X.
Nikon DSLR sensors are 1.5X.
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Most Canon DSLR sensors are 1.6X.
Nikon DSLR sensors are 1.5X.
The interesting thing is that even Nikon's "pro" line uses 1.5, while Canon's 1D is 1.3 and the 1Ds is full frame.
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