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Old 01-25-2004, 03:55 PM   #1
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Default How big is the stock WRX sedan subwoofer?

Just curious. How is it mounted, and what size is it? Has anyone replaced it with an upgraded aftermarket one mounted in the same location?

How much wattage does Subaru use to power the thing?

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Old 01-25-2004, 06:06 PM   #2
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is it located underneath your passanger seat?... well anyways it should be a ten inch woofer. If your looking for a good sound system but want clarity more than bass i would upgrade to two tens. It should just be bolted to the floor and you can only fit a ten without doing some custom work then maybe you could fit a twelve. NO Pioneer spl subs or type rs no hx2's you might be able to fit a ten with a small magnet.
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Old 01-25-2004, 08:49 PM   #3
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How do you figure it being a ten inch sub. Its a 6.5" sub and I have been wondering if anyone has changed it out myself. Basicly the only 6.5" sub worth its weight is the JLaudio subwoofer, and I would like to see if I couldnt fit it in that box. I have this crazy idea of trying two of them, one under each seat, and splicing that other sub into the factory wiring along with its own power of course. Its probably a pointless effort and I may just go with some fiberglass boxes instead.

However Im guessing you got that upgrade bug because of how bad the factory sub is, I know I know, its terrible. No sub would have been better than that piece of crap.
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Old 01-25-2004, 11:01 PM   #4
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you're better off leaving the oem stuff in the garage and going with a true enclosure in the trunk. Nice thought though.....
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Old 01-25-2004, 11:42 PM   #5
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Subaru Sub is 2"x8"x10", and the driver is either 5.25" or 6.5", but no bigger than that.

It will add some punch, but not real deep bass. Better than nothing, but not as good as a large sub.

Infiniti basslink is nice, but won't fit under the seat.

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Old 01-26-2004, 02:22 PM   #6
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I have been doing this a long time, you would be amazed at what can be accomplished with some ingenuity. If anyone would look at my website, sorry I have been fretting over this, hehe, they would see just what I have accomplished. First off, it is a 6.5" woofer, this I know. Its somewhat molded into the box, but it can be easily removed, and I believe their are also screws involved with holding it in, but I havent gotten that far yet. I plan to test the built in amp and see if it really puts out 120 watts and at what distortion level, along with a frequency response test. I am not in the car audio scene anymore, I dont compete, atleast not right now. I have had huge systems with video screens and game systems and you name it. Im tired of it, I dont want it anymore, I just want decent sound. I do all my serious listening in a house anyway. a totaly stealth system with good sound is always fun, and a serious challenge.

The problems with using this stock box is that its so small that most woofers will not work well in them. The JlAudio sub I talked about will work in a very small box and still produce bass down into the 30 hz range. It will even extend down in the 20hz range in a car. A little eq could go a long way, but thats out of the question here. No 6.5" sub is going to move enough air to boom, rattle a car, or even be really noticable from outside the car. That wouldnt be the point here either, and if that is what you want, you need something bigger. However as long as that built in amp has a response down to atleast 30hz and puts out atleast 50 watts, it could work perfectly. If not I will have to look for another solution to my own problem, and my solution may be beyond your install know how. In all likelyhood I will play with stuff futily and end up just installed a 5 channel amp and a small fiberglass box for a single 10" sub or something in the back.
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Old 01-26-2004, 02:50 PM   #7
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I am most interested in that project. What's the link to your website? The JL woofer in the factory box (and factory location under the passenger seat) would be perfect for me.
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Old 01-26-2004, 10:24 PM   #8
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No 6.5" sub is going to move enough air to boom, rattle a car, or even be really noticable from outside the car.

Actually, Bose makes several home and car audio systems with a small driver (5.25-6.5") that sound awesome. The trick is the enclosure. Some of the Bose systems use a tuned "wavetube" to enhance the bass (it allows the wavelengths to lengthen and develop).

So, you can get deep bass from a small speaker, you just need a clever enclosure.

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Old 08-02-2004, 01:21 AM   #9
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Actually, BOSE sucks...I haven't heard a thing they have made that sounds anywhere near "awesome" let alone "decent" or "good"

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Old 08-02-2004, 04:52 PM   #10
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Are you talking home audio or car audio? W/ home audio, BOSE sounds pretty good.


Back on topic - I'd like to go with a 'stealth' system also, but because theft is so high in NJ, I think I want to keep the factory headunit. Would there be any point to upgrading the speakers and/or factory subwoofer if I was running the factory head unit? I don't want to temp thieves with a nice headunit, and I'm really not looking for anything extreme. Just clearer sound... and maybe a little louder.
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Old 08-02-2004, 07:11 PM   #11
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Bose is ok at best in any environment.

The stock "sub" ( ) is 6.5"
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Old 08-02-2004, 08:01 PM   #12
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snvin: http://www.intellexual.net/bose.html

Dollar to product & quality, it sucks a great deal.
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Old 08-02-2004, 08:46 PM   #13
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OK - those are Bose's conventional components... but have you ever heard the volume of sound that comes out of their friggin' alarm clock? (I think it's called the Wave Radio.)
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have you ever heard the volume of sound that comes out of...I think it's called the Wave Radio.
Hah! the wave radio...don't get us started...

Er...I think I speak for most of "us" when I say Keyword: volume?

...because like...louder is better and stuff...

*runs off to go buy 2 15's in a bandpass box for his new setup.
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Old 08-02-2004, 09:46 PM   #15
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I'm speaking of 301, 501, 701, and 901. Please don't bring up the wave radio. Big or small. Generally people just hear the fully systems with the cubes, Acoustimass and Lifestyle. Acoustimass is terrible. That's the more commone one to listen to. Lifestyle is alright, but WAY too expensive. Don't mention more volume in an SQ discussion. It's very counterproductive to your point. There's a pair of 6.5" speakers that can blow away anything Bose does if that's the way you want to talk about it.
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Old 08-02-2004, 10:56 PM   #16
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OK. I can tell I'm out of my league here. You guys know lots of isht about audio & sound quality that I just don't know. Sorry for mentioning your arch nemisis, Bose, in a positive light.
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It's not that we hate the sound...we hate the marketing and deception...

...atleast I do.

JT? Eggroll? Offset? Redwagon?

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Old 08-03-2004, 04:06 PM   #18
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The problems with using this stock box is that its so small that most woofers will not work well in them. The JlAudio sub I talked about will work in a very small box and still produce bass down into the 30 hz range.
You should be aware that the stock system is not a passive amp+speaker. It uses feedback from the speaker (or perhaps even a small mic) to linearize its response. Changing the speaker may lead only to small improvements. It is, howver, very important to adjust the subwoofer's cutoff frequency to avoid too much overlap with the main speakers. I also suspect that the stock (or better the premium) speakers and head unit could benefit greatly from bass-blocking caps.

I could be all wrong, however...
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Old 08-03-2004, 11:37 PM   #19
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I think their stereo speakers can be ok. I actually have a set of the 301's as surrounds in my HT setup. I want to replace them eventually, but they server their purpose for now. It's their surround setups, really. They are so overhyped and overpriced. Holes in the frequency response.
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Old 08-04-2004, 12:17 AM   #20
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OK - those are Bose's conventional components... but have you ever heard the volume of sound that comes out of their friggin' alarm clock? (I think it's called the Wave Radio.)
BLOSE is really good a filling a space with sound, but compare a really good BOSE room with a decent listining room with a pair of Maggy's(Magnapans) and a good Marantz source (Most people could afford stuff like this rather than the BOSE lifestyle system or even the acoustimass system). Night and day difference.

BOSE car audio is all about marketing and name recognition. Go up to somebody and say that you have a McKintosh HU and they will ask what OS it's running, 9.6 or OS-X? Who the hell is Nakamichi.

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p.s. No High's, no Low's, must be BOSE.
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Old 08-10-2004, 01:10 AM   #21
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BLOSE chunks. Go listen to other products before you waste your money. Anyway, the original question... Forget about powered subs or under-seat thingies, you'd get more output from a decent pair of 6.5"s properly installed into the doors. Put a 10" in a sealed box. Either a small wedge box you can stash into a corner or a DIY fiberglass one you can sink into the spare. A search on either will serve you well
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Old 08-10-2004, 02:55 AM   #22
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I'm currently planning a system for my dad's acura tl, wich come with bose factory system and let me tell you it really sucks. it's better than a legacy system, but for all the stuff involved, it could have been much better. they event did not used tweeters ! only 5" paper speakers. Instead of using real speakers, they use an EQ to boost low's and high's, and you must bypass it prior to install new speakers or it will sound like ****. but then the signal that goes to the amp is not strong enough so it won't produce full power at max volume. preamp signal goes out of the HU, then goes back in to get amplified, then get out and goes to speakers. the fader/balance is not even pre-amp because the EQ only receive and return a right and left signal. the subwoofer amplifier is not adjustable. I gues Bose offer to the manufacturer a complete system for real cheap. maybe the home speakers sound OK, but the car audio systems are much too much complicated for what it deliver. I think it's like oil. it's not because some brand oil is made by castrol that it's as good as castrol. It's only that castrol offered to make the brand recipe for less than others, and that's probably what Bose does with oem car audio.
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