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Old 05-19-2000, 08:39 AM   #1
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Angry In Defense of Police...Fire Suit Is On!

I have been reading the posts lately that rag on cops for giving out tickets to hopped up rides like our 2.5RS's. I have been biting my lip as long as I could, but now I feel as though I need to speak up. First of all, let me say that I do not agree at all with the police targeting anything specific whether it be race, gender, car type, anything. But I mean, come on...if you were a police officer and you see a car coming at you with more lights and scoops on it than the $8.95 buffet at Ryans, you are going to take a second look. Do we not all own our 2.5's because they draw attention from others. In one breath we say, yeah...it was so cool...I had 14 teenagers huddled around my car checking it out, and then complain because a cop pulls us over because we drive a car that gets attention. There are a few simple facts here. VERY few people drive a sports car slow...why would you, that is why you have it. It would be like having a boat but never taking it in the water. Police look for cars that go fast. Second, from what I am reading on here, everyone that has gotten a ticket WAS speeding and WAS breaking the law..regardless of whether you were in a 2.5 or in a school bus. How can you complain that the police are wrong for giving you a ticket when you were breaking the law? And the thing about picking you out of a group of cars...let me ask you this. If you were a cop and saw a group of cars coming at you that were all speeding, wouldn't you pick out the car that looks like it speeds the most...a hopped up ride like ours. Of course you would. Another reason that the police stop cars like ours is very simple. You have to admit that a LOT of people that drive "riced out" cars are hands down...PUNKS! There is a lot better chance of finding drugs, weapons, warrants, etc from a driver of a riced out car than there is from a soccer mom in an Explorer who is speeding. Don't get me wrong...I think that 99% of the people in the i-club are great people...but a lot of those other ricers are not. Is this discrimination on the part of police...absolutely not. It is called policing...something that I'm sure we can all appreciate because it makes the streets safer. The cops can not tell what kind of person you are when you pass them doing 70 mph...all they see is the car.

Bottom line is this...if you don't speed, you don't have to worry. Yes, there are some jerk cops out there who will stop you for no reason. I do not claim what they do is right...they suck. But please, don't bash the police for doing their job. Trust me, they are out there stopping speeders for all of our safety. Every time they stop a car, they are risking their life to make our lives a little safer. If you ever have your child, your mother, your father, your brother, or a friend killed by a wreckles speeder, I guarentee that you will appreciate greatly the efforts of the police to slow people down.

Before you flame me, please think about this. Thanks for listening.
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Old 05-19-2000, 08:45 AM   #2
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I agree.

But I still don't agree with getting a ticket for going 58 or 59 in a 55 zone, with barely 1/8" of snow on the ground.

Sheesh.

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Old 05-19-2000, 08:50 AM   #3
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Good Points Jason, I think that alot of us (including myself) dont really think about how the police have a job to do. Yes there are some Jerk cops out there, and I have delt with a few. But overall most are understanding. They are people too. My Uncle has been a police officer for almost 20 years now. It kind of pisses me off when I see someone say that ALL police officers are pigs. Our Society would be in shambles without someone to put their foot down.
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Old 05-19-2000, 08:59 AM   #4
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It's all about accountability, easier to say "I got a ticket cuz that cop doesn't like kids in nice cars" than it is to say "man, I was doing 8 mph over the speed limit, what was I thinking, I was breaking the law". I've been pulled over quite a few times in my last 15 years of driving and out of all those times I was doing something that was against the law, never have I been pulled over "just because they wanted to".

Don't blame the law, blame the law breaker!
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Old 05-19-2000, 09:00 AM   #5
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I also agree. While a ticket for 2-3 mph over the limit is extreem, generally a ticket is given for someone who clearly is speeding and breaking the law. The speed limit is a law, not a suggestion, and as soon as you exceed that posting, whether or not you agree with it, you have actively chosen to break the law. You're not given slack for shoplifting, which also breaks the law. Speeding may seeem like a minor offense (and generally is), but the speed limit is there for a reason (and not just to generate revenue in most cases).

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Old 05-19-2000, 09:02 AM   #6
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I'm with you, Jason. My older brother is a cop, so now I've even more sympathetic to the job they do, but even before he joined the force I respected them. I've never tried to argue my way out of a ticket, I've never gone to court to try and weasel my way out, because I was guilty. Now, granted, that's not the way the justice always works (ie OJ), but my integrity is very important to me and I'm not going to compromise that to avoid paying a $70 fine. I understand that there is a possibility that I will get stopped when I speed, and I'm willing to take that risk.

On the other hand, I do get upset about some things I see on the road. As you pointed out, people in non-descript cars don't draw the same attention that I draw, especially when I'm driving my Mustang. So I get pissed when I see people in cars that just ARE NOT suited to high speeds passing me at 85mph. I understand that, at 80mph (or whatever), I'm just as guilty of breaking the law as they are, but atleast I'm doing it in a sports car (or sports sedan) that is designed to travel safely at high speeds. It really scares me when I see tractor trailers doing 80+mph - those things can't stop at that speed!! And yet I'd be willing to bet good money that if I (in my Mustang) and Joe Driver in an 18 wheeler went by the same speedtrap at the same speed, I'D be the one who got stopped!! I find that annoying. But what can I do?

As far as being picked out of a group of speeders, I heard a good on a while back:
Speeder to law officer: "I was travelling in a pack, why did you stop just me?"
Officer: "Sir, have you ever been fishing?"
Speeder: "Uh, yes."
Officer: "Did you catch all the fish?" Thought that one was pretty good.

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Old 05-19-2000, 09:11 AM   #7
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I ain't got nothing against the cops so far that pulled me over (never had a speeding ticket, knock on wood). But the ones that I DON'T like are the ones that see an asian kid in the car with his friends and pull you over, and slam your face into the hot ass hood of the car. You wanna know WHY he did that to me? Because I asked him, very politely, why he pulled me over. Screw the cops in Westminster and Garden Grove yo, they some messed up fools over there. You don't believe me? Get four of your friends in the car and drive around a little past ten. Then you'll know what I'm talking about.
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Old 05-19-2000, 09:23 AM   #8
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I am the ******* police victim MASTER
i have been pulled over 31 times with my 91 honda accord (any reasons u name it, i've been pulled over for it)
and only 13 times with my subaru (which i've had around 1 year hehe)

I have no tickets on my record. none at all. i was never speeding, just got pulled over by the power-hungry police
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Old 05-19-2000, 09:33 AM   #9
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Right on!
I do speed, I drive "fluent", I play around and have a loud exhaust. Even with cops following me to check out the plate, I never got annoyed by them. They target other vehicles, mostly older beaters or speeding/ reckless driving cars. I never got pulled over in the RS, I got pulled over once in a 79 Cougar, but that was because I couldn't drive in a straight line, rackjoint had too much play...
I looked like **** that day, wearing leather(even skullcap, those biker days..), but the cop was very friendly and neutral.
So stop bit@#!ing about them.
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Old 05-19-2000, 09:33 AM   #10
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Yup, i've been pulled over for ONE main offense: DWNW
Driving While Not White
And the funny thing is, I am. I'm kinda dark skinned and have a gotee, so cops think i'm latino. My girlfriend's partner pulled me over one time for that reason. I didn't get off her case a month. Yes you break the law don't whine. But most of the time, non-state cops, I've noticed are power hungery bullies.
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Old 05-19-2000, 09:42 AM   #11
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I'm not a cop, but I am regulator. Had to get my first search warrant last week. Pretty cool! However, the PRP was cooperative and I didn't have to use the warrant.

An officer's job is to enforce the law. Most times they play babysitter.

My bud was a sheriff for a couple months. Couldn't stand it. Spent most of his time breaking up domestic arguments. Heck, within only three months he had been shot at twice! Both times by some damned drunk.

Highway patrol have a different job description, but they do provide backup for some of the local units. As with any job, you get some people that are better at it than others.

Myself, I could never be a cop. I would have a hard time putting on my vest, and then putting my life on the line for the lousy wages they are payed. Add the attitude most civilians treat cops with and you wonder why an officer would even try.

In several instances I've had to work closely with officers to do my job. Yep, I've had to have a cop back me up. Its nice to have them there, on your side. I wouldn't do their job, but I am damned glad they are there.

I would rather suit up in full level A (SCBA) and enter a building with unknown hazardous chemicals in unstable conditions then enter the volatile atmosphere of a domestic dispute. 'nuff said.
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Old 05-19-2000, 09:46 AM   #12
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Yeah, the man is out to get you. Give me a Frikin break. Like alot of people said above me, if there is the slightest reason for them to pull you over, they will. That is why a 4 door or a wagon is the best speeder car. Cops take a double take "Subaru wagon? nah, must have been that vette next to him"

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Old 05-19-2000, 09:53 AM   #13
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I've gotten pulled over and searched without a single reason from the cop that did it in my old cars (Volvos... you wanna talk about non-attention-getting cars...) and not a single ticket from those stops. What I'm pissed about is that those a**holes that do that and then they delay you for like an hour for NO reason and then let you go without a ticket. Makes me wish I was carrying a gun so I could just leave.

I've gotten stopped (and ticketed) once in my RS over the 2-1/2 months I've had it and it was for a legitimate reason, I guess. You know, not that the guy next to me wasn't doing the same speed I was or anything. *shrug*

IMHO, there should be a squad of people out there that work for the city, county, whatever, whose sole duty is to find power-hungry cops that search you for no reason. People that are young-20's and driving decent cars the way everyone else does. Maybe even add a few hood scoops so there is reason to pull them over, right?
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Old 05-19-2000, 09:54 AM   #14
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LOL@Paisan! When was the last time you saw a Corvette pulled over?! No offense to any Vette owners here (well, maybe a little offense...) but those clowns are usually the ones driving 5mph *below* the limit in the FAST lane usually! And when someone like me tries to keep the *flow of traffic* going by passing and overtaking him on the right, you tell me who's gonna get pulled over...

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Old 05-19-2000, 10:06 AM   #15
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Allright, I must say that I have no problems with the local or state police doing there jobs. The last couple times I got pulled over in my subaru before I sold it, I was cordial, the cops were pleasant, and I received no speeding tickets even though I was obviously in the wong.. unfortunately, I do have a negative story to offer up.. After I sold my sube a couple weeks ago, I bought a 1976 VW Bus/Camper (a couple of guys on this site have seen it, so they can vouch for its condition). The Van has been very well kept and restored and has no stickers or anything like that on it (except for one on the back that says "never get stuck behind a VW Bus") Anyway.. top speed on this thing to keep it from overheating on my 2 hour commute is about 55. I was cruising home yesterday and drove through a speed trap with other cars on the road flying by me.. i was putting by at like 54 in a 55. I check my rearview and I laugh to myself that had I been in my subaru I would be getting pulled over right now.. well two seconds later, that stupid ass cop is pulling ME over. He walks up and instead of the normal.. liscence and registration bit, he asks me to step out of the vehicle.. I ask him what I have done wrong and he tells me to step out again.. I get out and he has me stand toward the rear of the bus while he pokes his head into the open door on the van.. again I ask him what is going on.. he replies that I was driving suspiciously slow.. I got pissed.. I got frustrated and blurted out its a f**cking VW bus, how fast do you want it to go? He asks me if I knew how fast I was going.. I said the speed limit.. he replies 53 in a 55.. Ok. Now Im pissed b/c everyone else was doing 80 blowing by me.. Two seconds later another unit shows up and they have me stand by the curb.. The second cop starts to ask me where Im coming from "all dressed up". I told him I work for MCIWorldcom and this is how I go to work.. They then ask to search the vehicle and ask if I have any drugs or weapons in the vehicle.. All my kayaking stuff was in the back including a backpacking lockblade I carry in my flotation device just in case (it a paddler thing).. they search.. found that and had a fielday even though its legal.. Anyway, long story short they wasted my time for an hour, searched my bus, checked all the functionings of the horn and turn signals and bitched at me for driving with antique tags on it as a daily driver.. they then let me go without even appologizing.. stupid cops.. and they wonder why they have a bad rap.. up until this point I never really had anything bad to say.. Im not going to complain though.. the local town cops always seem to have a chip on their shoulder.. maybe thats just the way they are.. still sucks though.
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Old 05-19-2000, 10:16 AM   #16
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I'm sorry, if an officer ever asks to search my vehicle I will refuse. If he asks me to step out of the vehicle, I will shut the door behind me. Why? Because I never carry anything illegal. He has no reason to search me.

There does have to be "probable cause." In your case the officers could not demonstrate probable cause for the search. I'm sorry, I would have complained to the supervisor.

When a person does not perform their job in a satisfactory manner and are grossly inept in the function of their duties, their supervisor needs to be made aware. If they do not have a person in a supervisory position above them, then the public needs to made aware.

[This message has been edited by Tim K. because his spelling sucks (edited May 19, 2000).]

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Old 05-19-2000, 10:19 AM   #17
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rally123 - Didn't you know? Only hardcore stoners drive VW Busses...

Actually, unless you get a grocery getter, minivan, SUV, or common American big-ish cars, you are going to be targeted. Think about it... when was the last time you saw a dcent-lloking Ford Taurus pulled over? How about ANY Oldsmobile? LOL
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Old 05-19-2000, 11:11 AM   #18
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rally123 - just like 8complex said, VW Busses, esp an old one, carry a certain reputation, kind of like sports cars with racing . If you watch enough COPS (ok ... I used to have WAY too much time on my hands ), you'll see that they look for anything "out of place." Unfortunately for you, you were the ONLY person driving the speed limit, AND you were driving a suspicious car (at least to them). Also, haven't you seen news report where they mention that they found a few kilos of crack (or whatever) stuffed in the wheels, fenders, false compartments ... etc. UNFORTUNATELY, thoses drug smugglers and other criminals make it harder on the rest of us!

I do feel for you man! I'd be pissed of like hell if it happened to me! I'd rant forever. Just chalk it up to our holy "war against drugs" and Reagan! Now, maybe if they legalized certain .... that's another topic !!!
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Old 05-19-2000, 11:24 AM   #19
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Well now, that wasn't so bad. I thought for sure you guys were going to flame the crap out of me for that post. I failed to mention before that I have worked for the city police department for over 6 years and am now in the selection process to be a police officer. I ride with officers every week and I see what it is like first hand. True, there are some jerks out there...the same as there are jerk carpenters, jerk doctors, jerk teachers, jerk 7-11 workers, etc etc etc. But for the vast majority, these guys are out here to make a sincere effort to help. Why else would you do it for so little pay. So, I want to say thank you for understanding...I knew I should have never doubted the i-clubbers! Be safe out there!
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Old 05-19-2000, 01:55 PM   #20
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Hey rally123,

Sounds like you got "profiled" -- the VW bus-stoner profile. Which sucks, since more drugs are probably transported in SUVs and minivans than VW busses. Anyway, do you live in the DC area? If so, care to mention where the cops had the speed trap set up, so I can avoid it?

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Old 05-19-2000, 02:02 PM   #21
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KC,

I'll be your lawyer on this one. I'm a criminal defense attorney, and I have seen it all (or nearly all).
Two things,
1: Police are just like anyone else, some are buttheads, some are great guys. They have a rough job to do and sometimes it makes them a little cranky.
2: NEVER consent to a search of your person or vehicle. As I tell my clients, if an officer asks for consent to search you, it's because he canNOT do it without your O.K. Of course, if the officer decides to search you anyway, don't get stupid - they do have badges and guns.

My two cents - and I won't even bill y'all!
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Old 05-19-2000, 02:14 PM   #22
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Well I might make a comment (being a police officer) I have seen both sides of the spectrum. I know who the power trip officers are and they are also the ones who have cases thrown out, the judge tears them apart in court, and the department never backs any of their actions. When you get power hungry you put your own butt on the line in my dept. The real cops get the satisfaction of walking away from a car they have just issued thinking they may have prevented a wreck or worse. Nothing pisses me off more than working a fatality accident where I get a statment "Those kids were just flying and then.."

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Old 05-19-2000, 02:14 PM   #23
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Some of you in San Francisco Bay Area should heard the massive crack down on import cars in Macarthy Ranch, Milpitas.

Cops set up road blocks to intercept EVERY SINGLE vechicle entered the ranch loop to see if the cars have mods on them. ALL CARS appeared to have mods are send to the nearby parking lot for FULL INSPECTION.

What cause the argument was the road block will intercept all the cars coming out from the import car gathering place, IN & Out Burger. Domestic cars on the oppsite side of the street are able to leaving without go through the road block.

Another time, my friend's Prelude was pulled over by cop for "modified exhaust", but the car's exhaust was never a sec in sight of the patrol car. The cop pulled him over, opened the hood and wrote and 2 page ticket and threaten to tow the car away.

what my friend did? pull out gently from a shopping mall while the OBC was on the other side of the street.

I never have any doubt that cops are BIASE.
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Old 05-19-2000, 07:14 PM   #24
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Hmmm. i have heard of rummurs of some cops driving cars just like yours?
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Lots of people had lots of time today I see.

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